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SpectreSOF
United States74 Posts
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Russian Federation3632 Posts
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On October 10 2013 17:34 SpectreSOF wrote: At the top of the page it says the Hatchery is being refounded, is it going to be a corporation or is it going to be a shared channel for TL folks to form impromptu fleets. I don't want to leave my current corporation but at the same time I'm looking for more PVP opportunities outside of my corp since they're a little quiet during most of my TZ. You read that wrong, the hatchery was refounded as a dota team, also known as the "TL B-Team". They are horrible and always drunk. So kinda like in eve, but less good. Writing that actually makes me want to play with you guys, I'll have to take care of an old neighbour of mine later today but I'll hit TS later... someday. I keep on forgetting it. | ||
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Big Monkey
United Kingdom473 Posts
On October 10 2013 16:07 KwarK wrote: Their guns literally didn't do anything. The maelstroms were unable to track anything and apply any damage and had no ability to actually lock down a target and either apply damage or stop it just leaving whenever it wanted. It also made no use of its tanking ship bonus and selected the wrong modules for tanking so it was overpenalised and had less tank than it ought to have had. The typhoon was just a comedy fit. They had no ability to actually hold a target down, no ability to apply damage, no control over the field, no mobility or anything else. To make it more hilarious they actually had MJDs on the maelstrom which are big "I don't want to be here so I'm gonna escape" buttons and still died to ships without warp core scramblers. That shouldn't even be possible. You just press button and leave. At some point they would have actually had to go "I'm gonna bring the not-die button but in the eventuality that I'm dying I'm gonna save it for...". Okay, imagine an idiot sets out to do a task. First he selects his tool, a hammer. However because he's an idiot he doesn't realise that the tool hammer needs other things to work, such as arms. So he sets off with his hammer clenched between his teeth thinking "yeah, this seems legit" to go do his task. Now when he gets there he realises the task is actually fishing and therefore the tool he brought wasn't actually appropriate, even if he could use it, which he can't. Rather than conclude logically that he should probably just go home and then have his comrades bash him over the head with the hammer to put him out of his misery he decides to attempt to fish with the hammer. He does this by submerging his head in the river, hammer still clenched between his teeth, waiting for fish. As he slowly runs out of oxygen he considers his options, either continuing with the plan of 'sit here with a hammer between my teeth waiting for this to somehow work even though I can't see how that would even happen or make any kind of sense' or 'resurface and go home'. Unfortunately he expires while still considering his options. Every part of that metaphor is encompassed by that fit. That's how dumb they are. Seriously. This is quite possibly the best matephor ive ever read | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On October 10 2013 19:54 SilentchiLL wrote: You read that wrong, the hatchery was refounded as a dota team, also known as the "TL B-Team". They are horrible and always drunk. So kinda like in eve, but less good. Writing that actually makes me want to play with you guys, I'll have to take care of an old neighbour of mine later today but I'll hit TS later... someday. I keep on forgetting it. It's actually the TL L-Team. L stands for Lycan which Kwark plays almost exclusively. In other news, TP scrolls and buyback are good things. | ||
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Mandini
United States1717 Posts
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
I use three ships in this graph. The first is an RHML typhoon. It has T2 launchers, 3 BCS, Standard Crash on, along with 5% damage + Application implants. The Second is a Cruise Typhoon. It has T2 launchers, 3 BCS, standard Crash, Along with 5% damgae + Application implants and TWO RIGORS The Third is a RLML Cerberus. It has T2 launchers, 3 BCS, standard Crash, along with 5% damgae + Application implants They are all shooting at non linked, mwd, shield tanked ships flying at full speed. The ships DPS shown, is that with out any assistance of TP's, Webs. A final note before the graphs. The RHML ships do not sure precision ammo. The reason why I have done this, is because the range on unbonused precision ammo is about 28/30 K. When placed on a battle ship- you cannot wait that long to begin applying damage to something quickly approaching you. The range is too abysmally short to be used properly in any PvP situation, so I have disregarded it. Other than that, the numbers posted are the MAX amount of applied DPS i was able to achieve either using precision, CN, or fury missiles. The first graph is a very straight forward bar graph, that will show direct numbers. http://i.imgur.com/FECgN1k.png Now what I find more interesting is this second graph. This graph shows the 'Effectiveness' of the three missile ships compared. As you can clearly see, RLML and Cruise Completely dominate the field. RHML are not superior to either missile system, shooting at any target. So my question is... why use them? http://i.imgur.com/VP6gARl.png After seeing the data, some of you may be wondering why I chose to use the dual rigor setup on the cruise, while not using it on the RHML. My answer is quite simple- If i am going to be throwing my rig slots on both ships for application purposes, why would I want to go with a lower DPS option? Personally if I am going to field a lower DPS weapon system, I want to be able to use the lowered fitting cost, it increase my tank. In the case of the typhoon or the raven, throwing those rig slots away really bite into your tank. With out the application bonus applied to the RHML's using the as they are, is simply useless. Now- if the 5% innate damage application of the phoon, or the increased range of the raven did infant count towards the RHMLs, that could make a rather interesting game play choice. What do you think? Edit- this genius already responded to me in reddit.... And this is the eve community???? Dafuq? The RHML ships do not sure precision ammo Huh? And precision is the long range ammo type... I think you mean rage when you cite the bad range. Also, faction missiles man. T2 missiles are great in certain situations and on certain ships, but the dps/range of faction is usually much better. Edit: In fact, if you're using precision heavies and rage cruise missiles, then that graph is garbage and I'd expect RHML to vastly out-dps cruise on everything but battleships. Yes because HML's have a long range ammo.... which is precision.... | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
It's interesting how they decided to pre-nerf RHMLs. Quite an unusual move from them. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On October 11 2013 05:36 Shootemup. wrote: It's actually the TL L-Team. L stands for Lycan which Kwark plays almost exclusively. In other news, TP scrolls and buyback are good things. Feels good not to be the only one who still likes lycan after the nerf. On October 11 2013 09:36 Mandini wrote: How does he have almost twice my games played Kek, only played a handful of games in the last few months because of other games and responsibilities stealing my time and I still have nearly twice as many games as kwark, then again I always random in shitty pubs though, so it may be a bit more fun for me (Picking in pubs is like fishing with dynamite). EDIT: Friend just sent me this http://kotaku.com/your-space-battles-shaped-the-stories-in-the-new-eve-on-1443540885/@charliejane 0.o | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19959284 But on the bright side, I got out...... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UwIgerA.png) Also, on a side note, prior to this I went on a duo roam with Liquid'Courage, it went pretty good.... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19959416 | ||
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
Cruise Phoon: 3 BCS, 2 T1 rirgors, 5% damage + 5% Application implants, Standard Crash RHML Phoon: 3 BCS, 5% damage + 5% Application implants, Standard Crash RHML Rigor Phoon: 3 BCS, 2 T1 rirgors, 5% damage + 5% Application implants, Standard Crash RLM Cerb: 3 BCS, 2 T1 rirgors, 5% damage + 5% Application implants, Standard Crash In these graphs, but the cruise and RHML rigor phoons share rigors. The Cerberus and RHML phoons do not. I have also (On the RHML Rigor phoon) Used precision missiles when possible. Please keep in mind when looking at these graphs- that a precision HML with no velocity modifier has a range of 28/30 K. Remember that cruise missiles of the same type have close to a 75K range. These graphs show every variable on both ships completely the same. Finally here are the fittings of a 3 BCS dual T1 rigor RHML Phoon, when compared to a 3 BCS dual T1 rigor Cruise phoon: Cruise phoon with 3X BCS + T2 launchers + 2 T1 rigors: CPU: 447.44 / 800 Grid: 8173.2 / 15625 RHML Phoon With 3X BCS + T2 launchers + 2 T1 rigors: CPU: 412.71 / 800 Grid: 6537 / 15625 So you are saving 35 CPU and 1636 Grid. Which in my opinion, is simply not worth the dual rigor on the RHML. You still don't have enough CPU to use what little gird extra you have. You could place 1 extra 1600 mm Plate / Large anci repper. Thats it.... Graph 1: http://i.imgur.com/eS49n5q.png Graph 2: http://i.imgur.com/Dj7JWe3.png | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
On October 12 2013 06:57 DefMatrixUltra wrote: Yup, not allowing the application bonuses makes RHMLs totally, utterly worthless. There is virtually no scenario in which RHMLs are useful compared to other weapons systems - and that's ignoring the platform problem. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=431885 | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
I have a lot of respect for Tropic9 for even taking it out and risking an ~80b ISK (higher?) ship on a daily basis for the last couple of weeks. It's too bad everyone on EVE-Kill feels the need to talk down to the guy, especially when half of them have | ||
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On October 12 2013 07:01 Firebolt145 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=431885 play together, EVEN RANKED. This was something that was pretty big for me because it's hard to explain how it feels duo queueing with a guy as a girl. You're opening yourself up to the opportunity for them to go around & say they carried you or boosted you or any other horrible thing they decide on doing. For the first time in ever I trust someone enough to open up to them like that. Hell, I guess you could consider it e-sex. The problem is most of those guys that have been around that long & are still playing are now either Challenger/Diamond 1 super pros, work at Riot so it's awkward talking to them. A girl asked my boyfriend to boost her. He's Diamond 1, so it's not a rare occurrence, but this time it was a girl asking him & it really set me off. She tried to play the "But we're such close friends" card, and I wasn't about to let that fly. Told her if she doesn't go jump down a well & stay far away I'll get her reset. This made my morning. | ||
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