On October 10 2013 08:15 419 wrote:
gorski stop fucking stealing my reddit karma

http://hydra.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19946780

hello dragon swarm dynasty

Is there a story behind this?

KwarK

United States44191 Posts

October 10 2013 06:24 GMT

#33725

Old rivals.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88359&currentpage=965#19288

SpectreSOF

United States74 Posts

October 10 2013 06:48 GMT

#33726

Old grudge then I see. Well I'm sure glad I didn't make that roam haha! I sometimes fly with those guys for some PvP, was gonna take out a megathron for a spin. Good thing I overslept...

KwarK

United States44191 Posts

October 10 2013 06:51 GMT

#33727

They are legitimately the worst group in eve. When I joined them as a spy back then they were using a scout to move through highsec and calling out people on gates in highsec as neutral gatecamps. Honest to god I once heard "yeah, I've got a gatecamp here, scimmy, fenrir, capsule, shuttle, drake. Hold while I check it out".

Those fits man. Holy shit.

SpectreSOF

United States74 Posts

October 10 2013 06:56 GMT

#33728

I'm pretty new to Eve so I have no idea who is who, the only entities I can recognize are some of the big null-sec entities and a few names I picked up watching the Alliance Tournament. That and my corp is a little quiet around that time of day and they're the only outlet for group pvp that I currently know of OOC.

As for their fits, I was told we were assembling to shoot up a carrier or something. But that aside, could you enlighten me as to why those fits were bad?

KwarK

United States44191 Posts

October 10 2013 07:07 GMT

#33729

Their guns literally didn't do anything.
The maelstroms were unable to track anything and apply any damage and had no ability to actually lock down a target and either apply damage or stop it just leaving whenever it wanted. It also made no use of its tanking ship bonus and selected the wrong modules for tanking so it was overpenalised and had less tank than it ought to have had.
The typhoon was just a comedy fit.

They had no ability to actually hold a target down, no ability to apply damage, no control over the field, no mobility or anything else. To make it more hilarious they actually had MJDs on the maelstrom which are big "I don't want to be here so I'm gonna escape" buttons and still died to ships without warp core scramblers. That shouldn't even be possible. You just press button and leave. At some point they would have actually had to go "I'm gonna bring the not-die button but in the eventuality that I'm dying I'm gonna save it for...".

Okay, imagine an idiot sets out to do a task. First he selects his tool, a hammer. However because he's an idiot he doesn't realise that the tool hammer needs other things to work, such as arms. So he sets off with his hammer clenched between his teeth thinking "yeah, this seems legit" to go do his task. Now when he gets there he realises the task is actually fishing and therefore the tool he brought wasn't actually appropriate, even if he could use it, which he can't. Rather than conclude logically that he should probably just go home and then have his comrades bash him over the head with the hammer to put him out of his misery he decides to attempt to fish with the hammer. He does this by submerging his head in the river, hammer still clenched between his teeth, waiting for fish. As he slowly runs out of oxygen he considers his options, either continuing with the plan of 'sit here with a hammer between my teeth waiting for this to somehow work even though I can't see how that would even happen or make any kind of sense' or 'resurface and go home'. Unfortunately he expires while still considering his options.

Every part of that metaphor is encompassed by that fit. That's how dumb they are. Seriously.

KwarK

United States44191 Posts

October 10 2013 07:17 GMT

#33730

Arties are the hammer (a tool, albeit one completely inappropriate for this task (also maelstrom arty fits are just shit so it'd have to be a shitty hammer but whatever, let's be generous)), the lack of arms are the lack of any ships in the fleet or modules that can actually make the hammer work (1400s simply don't do anything without the correct support ships which were not present), fishing was the task of killing ishtars, not going home when he remembered he was going fishing with a hammer rather than a rod is looking at the ishtars and deciding that this is a fight they can take, submerging your head is going for the fight without any plan and watching as you accomplish literally nothing as there is literally nothing you can accomplish because your tool doesn't do anything and staying underwater until you drown is the MJDs that somehow were not used to save them.

That's really one of my better metaphors. I need some kind of MS Paint picture for that.

SpectreSOF

United States74 Posts

October 10 2013 07:25 GMT

#33731

To be fair the fleet was expecting a carrier to shoot at. But I definitely understand the analogy of trying to use 1400s against cruisers and the part about not MJDing out.

That being said, out of noobish curiosity what kind of battleship (and fit) would do well against cruisers? From my understanding due to a cruiser's speed and sig radius most battleship sized weaponry would struggle to apply DPS to them. I've asked around before and most of the answers I got were along the lines of "you don't take a BS to a cruiser fight."

KwarK

United States44191 Posts

October 10 2013 07:29 GMT

#33732

Nothing in that fleet was able to do anything to the nyx they were going after either. It was just a colossal failfleet. These people are morons of the highest order.

Scorch oracles work if you fit them correctly but there is a lot of maths we would need to teach you before you understood why. Eve ultimately comes down to maths, the modules all have numbers which interact in known equations and if you are familiar with the numbers it's really easy. Unfortunately people don't actually do that and instead treat the numbers as a fantasy adventure game where you roleplay that the tool you picked works.

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34504 Posts

October 10 2013 07:32 GMT

#33733

Oracles aren't battleships. Basically don't bring battleships.

KwarK

United States44191 Posts

October 10 2013 07:34 GMT

#33734

On October 10 2013 16:32 Firebolt145 wrote:
Oracles aren't battleships. Basically don't bring battleships.

They use battleship guns. There is no difference between an oracle mega pulse and any other beyond the superior ability of the oracle to control range and project scorch as a platform.

SpectreSOF

United States74 Posts

October 10 2013 07:38 GMT

#33735

I have some rudimentary grasp of turret mechanics of the game. Things like knowing a Slicer flying at a tangent/perpendicular to you at 5km away has a much higher angular velocity (thus harder to track) than if it were flying along the same vector at say 50km out.

I'd assume it involves some fancy piloting on the Oracle's part to keep them at distance?

KwarK

United States44191 Posts

October 10 2013 07:41 GMT

#33736

Well given half the time you'll be fighting against maelstroms whose idea of range control is a single MJD, not really. No more than it takes to kill a guy with no arms or legs wielding a hammer between his teeth using a crossbow. You aren't really getting how bad most people are at fitting.