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Omen navy issue, is currently- along with the oracle, the two beat laser, and easily top tier nano boats. Bith are perfect for small gang and solo work. As for other links, i dont have any. Jump knto ts with your questions- that way you will get correct answers 
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On July 25 2013 05:18 Ramiel wrote:Omen navy issue, is currently- along with the oracle, the two beat laser, and easily top tier nano boats. Bith are perfect for small gang and solo work. As for other links, i dont have any. Jump knto ts with your questions- that way you will get correct answers
Oh thanks for the ships, it's always good to have a goal I guess
And sadly I broke my mic 2 days ago, immediately ordered a new one from amazon though, so it should arrive soonish, then I can try and get into TS.
Looked up both ships and found out what the hell nano ships are thanks to a guide and google  .
EDIT: Can I somehow look at my old character's skills? I managed to log into eve but couldn't find that feature if it exists <.<
Not that it would tell me much, but it may be interestering to see how far I got back then
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Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. Atthe end of the day nano ships have speed. In the current meta that is about 2400m/s unlinked,unheated,unsnaked. If your ship cant do that its useless.
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On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required.
I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter.
It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess
There is probably an obviously awnser for that, but how are the rolebonuses of the oracle not imbalanced? 0.o
"Role Bonus:
95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets
50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets
50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets "
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On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess
The rifter has be dethroned. Frigates in general recied a buff, however outisde of scram / web merlins- dont play any part in a nanofleet. With the advent of navy cruisers, all frigs that are not t1 speed fit / pirate / interceptors are too slow to keep up at this point.
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On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess There is probably an obviously awnser for that, but how are the rolebonuses of the oracle not imbalanced? 0.o "Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets "
Nope tier 3 bcs are imbalanced as fuck. They have destoyed so many ship classes in eve. The oracle when properly fit and flown is appying 900+ dps out to 80k+ while going 2700ms unheated. Its crazy.
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On July 25 2013 06:56 Ramiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess The rifter has be dethroned. Frigates in general recied a buff, however outisde of scram / web merlins- dont play any part in a nanofleet. With the advent of navy cruisers, all frigs that are not t1 speed fit / pirate / interceptors are too slow to keep up at this point.
Makes me feel like an old man, what's TL's ship of choice for the suicidal webbing part of the fun in today's days?
On July 25 2013 06:58 Ramiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess There is probably an obviously awnser for that, but how are the rolebonuses of the oracle not imbalanced? 0.o "Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets " Nope tier 3 bcs are imbalanced as fuck. They have destoyed so many ship classes in eve. The oracle when properly fit and flown is appying 900+ dps out to 80k+ while going 2700ms unheated. Its crazy.
The numbers tell me nothing since I'm a complete noob, but now I'm looking forward to it even more :D
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On July 25 2013 06:59 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:56 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess The rifter has be dethroned. Frigates in general recied a buff, however outisde of scram / web merlins- dont play any part in a nanofleet. With the advent of navy cruisers, all frigs that are not t1 speed fit / pirate / interceptors are too slow to keep up at this point. Makes me feel like an old man, what's TL's ship of choice for the suicidal webbing part of the fun in today's days?
Merlin. Rifter is old, old news. Its outmatched. By the slasher / merlin / armor incursis.
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On July 25 2013 07:00 Ramiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:59 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:56 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess The rifter has be dethroned. Frigates in general recied a buff, however outisde of scram / web merlins- dont play any part in a nanofleet. With the advent of navy cruisers, all frigs that are not t1 speed fit / pirate / interceptors are too slow to keep up at this point. Makes me feel like an old man, what's TL's ship of choice for the suicidal webbing part of the fun in today's days? Merlin. Rifter is old, old news. Its outmatched. By the slasher / merlin / armor incursis.
Wasn't the Merlin the ship you get after the Tutorial? What became so awesome about it?
And I'll miss the rifter, it had style :/
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Hyrule18977 Posts
On July 25 2013 07:00 Ramiel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:59 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:56 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess The rifter has be dethroned. Frigates in general recied a buff, however outisde of scram / web merlins- dont play any part in a nanofleet. With the advent of navy cruisers, all frigs that are not t1 speed fit / pirate / interceptors are too slow to keep up at this point. Makes me feel like an old man, what's TL's ship of choice for the suicidal webbing part of the fun in today's days? Merlin. Rifter is old, old news. Its outmatched. By the slasher / merlin / armor incursis.
not even
Oracles just blap everything off the field
No particular reason to have light tackle
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On July 25 2013 08:30 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 07:00 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:59 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:56 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess The rifter has be dethroned. Frigates in general recied a buff, however outisde of scram / web merlins- dont play any part in a nanofleet. With the advent of navy cruisers, all frigs that are not t1 speed fit / pirate / interceptors are too slow to keep up at this point. Makes me feel like an old man, what's TL's ship of choice for the suicidal webbing part of the fun in today's days? Merlin. Rifter is old, old news. Its outmatched. By the slasher / merlin / armor incursis. not even Oracles just blap everything off the field No particular reason to have light tackle
I'd still argue that they're still a good way to hold something down for the big guns to kill, and they're also a bit of a "get out of jail free" card if something big does get scrammed. But they are far less useful than they used to be.
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On July 25 2013 08:56 Impervious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 08:30 tofucake wrote:On July 25 2013 07:00 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:59 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:56 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess The rifter has be dethroned. Frigates in general recied a buff, however outisde of scram / web merlins- dont play any part in a nanofleet. With the advent of navy cruisers, all frigs that are not t1 speed fit / pirate / interceptors are too slow to keep up at this point. Makes me feel like an old man, what's TL's ship of choice for the suicidal webbing part of the fun in today's days? Merlin. Rifter is old, old news. Its outmatched. By the slasher / merlin / armor incursis. not even Oracles just blap everything off the field No particular reason to have light tackle I'd still argue that they're still a good way to hold something down for the big guns to kill, and they're also a bit of a "get out of jail free" card if something big does get scrammed. But they are far less useful than they used to be.
does that mean noobs have to feel useless again? D:
And can you look at the skilltree of your own old character from the eve website? Wanna know how far away I'm from bigger ships and what skills I went for back then, so I can start making money asap when I start again.
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On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess There is probably an obviously awnser for that, but how are the rolebonuses of the oracle not imbalanced? 0.o "Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets "
Since no one said it:
The Oracle is a battlecruiser, they normally fit cruiser sized guns. Those role bonuses allow it to fit and use battleship sized guns. The Tornado, Talos, and Naga have similar bonuses.
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On July 25 2013 10:21 Galdo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess There is probably an obvious awnser for that, but how are the rolebonuses of the oracle not imbalanced? 0.o "Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets " Since no one said it: The Oracle is a battlecruiser, they normally fit cruiser sized guns. Those role bonuses allow it to fit and use battleship sized guns. The Tornado, Talos, and Naga have similar bonuses.
What's the disadvantage there? Sounds like something positive to me.
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On July 25 2013 10:26 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 10:21 Galdo wrote:On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess There is probably an obvious awnser for that, but how are the rolebonuses of the oracle not imbalanced? 0.o "Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets " Since no one said it: The Oracle is a battlecruiser, they normally fit cruiser sized guns. Those role bonuses allow it to fit and use battleship sized guns. The Tornado, Talos, and Naga have similar bonuses. What's the disadvantage there? Sounds like something positive to me.
The point of them is to make a ship with the DPS of a battleship with the EHP of a battlecruiser. They were designed to be glass cannons, which doesn't really matter if you're too fast/too far away to be hit. They are imba.
e: EHP is even lower than I thought.
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On July 25 2013 10:40 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 10:26 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 10:21 Galdo wrote:On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess There is probably an obvious awnser for that, but how are the rolebonuses of the oracle not imbalanced? 0.o "Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Energy Turrets 50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Energy Turrets " Since no one said it: The Oracle is a battlecruiser, they normally fit cruiser sized guns. Those role bonuses allow it to fit and use battleship sized guns. The Tornado, Talos, and Naga have similar bonuses. What's the disadvantage there? Sounds like something positive to me. The point of them is to make a ship with the DPS of a battleship with the EHP of a battlecruiser. They were designed to be glass cannons, which doesn't really matter if you're too fast/too far away to be hit. They are imba. e: EHP is even lower than I thought.
Ahh, well, I thought so already.
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United States41984 Posts
They gave them more speed than all the cruisers when they came out.
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On July 25 2013 10:03 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 08:56 Impervious wrote:On July 25 2013 08:30 tofucake wrote:On July 25 2013 07:00 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:59 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:56 Ramiel wrote:On July 25 2013 06:52 SilentchiLL wrote:On July 25 2013 06:49 Ramiel wrote:
Yah... That guide on wiki is just flat out wrong. It describes the entire way nanogangs fight incorrectly. We dont sit at 100K and in the current meta, HAC'a are never used lol. Right now its all about t1 cruisers / navy cruisers / Tier 3 BCs. That is the ideal nanogang comp. if you have a recon or two, those are always welcome- but not required. I kinda expected that since it didn't even mention the allmighty rifter. It was still an interestering read that showed me some useful sidelinks though I guess The rifter has be dethroned. Frigates in general recied a buff, however outisde of scram / web merlins- dont play any part in a nanofleet. With the advent of navy cruisers, all frigs that are not t1 speed fit / pirate / interceptors are too slow to keep up at this point. Makes me feel like an old man, what's TL's ship of choice for the suicidal webbing part of the fun in today's days? Merlin. Rifter is old, old news. Its outmatched. By the slasher / merlin / armor incursis. not even Oracles just blap everything off the field No particular reason to have light tackle I'd still argue that they're still a good way to hold something down for the big guns to kill, and they're also a bit of a "get out of jail free" card if something big does get scrammed. But they are far less useful than they used to be. does that mean noobs have to feel useless again? D: And can you look at the skilltree of your own old character from the eve website? Wanna know how far away I'm from bigger ships and what skills I went for back then, so I can start making money asap when I start again.
Having a disposable frigate capable of pinning down an expensive kill, or saving one of our own ships from certain death is far from useless. But with the recent changes, it is no longer as necessary to have tackle frigates, because they can be killed very, very easily. And, as a noob, you're probably going to just welp yourself anyways, so it may as well be in a cheap ship rather than something expensive. Also, from a FC point of view (with the little FCing I've done), I wouldn't want anyone to fly a ship that I'd be counting on to do a job properly, when the pilot doesn't have the SP and/or piloting skill and/or game knowledge to pull it off.
This is my view on it anyways; I prefer flying smaller ships, and I actually enjoy being a tackle frigate.
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On July 25 2013 10:49 KwarK wrote:
They gave them more speed than all the cruisers when they came out.
It's OK, though. They fixed it by bumping the shit out of cruiser speeds.
Still curious when they will make meaningful buffs to armor.
/edit - Also, speaking of Merlins vs. Rifters - I remember a brief time period when I was CEO of Hatchery. The first wave of frigate changes came out and the Merlin was better than most T2/pirate frigates. With great haste, I told everyone that we were switching tackle pilots to Merlins. This was met with fierce resistance and much mouth foaming. I was being accused of eating babies.
When life gives you lemons, squeeze the precious fluids out of them. I responded to this criticism by also instituting a ridiculously unpopular corp tax (the first in... a long time). This corp tax was known as the Hot Sauce Fund.
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On July 25 2013 11:04 DefMatrixUltra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 10:49 KwarK wrote:
They gave them more speed than all the cruisers when they came out. It's OK, though. They fixed it by bumping the shit out of cruiser speeds. Still curious when they will make meaningful buffs to armor.
But sir, armor honeycombing, and reactive armor, yeah those things are totally things
CCP buffing armor:
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