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kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
September 19 2010 00:31 GMT
#2841
Why is it far fetched? Please don't say "Paladin runs Sanshas faster" or "Vargur has more DPS", those do not make them *better*.

In EVE there is no single best ship, but if one is forced to decide a best ship, is it not logical to see which ship fares well against the largest number of threats? Is it REALLY that far fetched?
Guilford
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Australia290 Posts
September 19 2010 00:32 GMT
#2842
we are now friend with the Russians so say hi to them if you fly by them =)
Being forgotten is worse than death.
Zavior
Profile Joined August 2009
Finland753 Posts
September 19 2010 00:39 GMT
#2843
On September 19 2010 09:31 kuresuti wrote:
Why is it far fetched? Please don't say "Paladin runs Sanshas faster" or "Vargur has more DPS", those do not make them *better*.

In EVE there is no single best ship, but if one is forced to decide a best ship, is it not logical to see which ship fares well against the largest number of threats? Is it REALLY that far fetched?


Well, does it REALLY fare that much better against larger number of threats than other marauders to be called the best overall? I dont think so. My take on the matter is that vargur and golem both accomplish the same task with so similar efficiency it doesnt really help to name one better than the other.
kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
September 19 2010 00:45 GMT
#2844
I think it does. If the efficiency is so similar, I guess picking one over the other is not far fetched at all?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43469 Posts
September 19 2010 00:47 GMT
#2845
So, a lot of shit has changed. Those new guys showed up in force and slapped us around a bit. They also shot up the Russians we were at war with. So we did some negotiation and are now at peace with the Russians and intend to fly with them against the new guys. We'll need a full fleet to really get them though, the kind we flew three days ago. WP is in charge for now, up to him.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Zavior
Profile Joined August 2009
Finland753 Posts
September 19 2010 00:48 GMT
#2846
On September 19 2010 09:45 kuresuti wrote:
I think it does. If the efficiency is so similar, I guess picking one over the other is not far fetched at all?


Well, I think it doesnt. Guess it all comes down to personal opinions then, no use to argue any more
SWPIGWANG
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada482 Posts
September 19 2010 00:58 GMT
#2847
What is a Noctis? ITS A FOOKING DRONELAND RUSSIKES BLUFF, THAT IS WHAT IT IS. Nao t3h Russians shall blot out the grid with Aeons and destroy all that stands before them~ :E :E :E /drama

This ship is surely handy in wormholes, and I can see it greatly reduce logistics costs for lower level holes ran by passive drake gangs and stuff. You don't really want a marauder when it tanks badly without expensive mods, and someone can recon gang your ass without warning on local.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
September 19 2010 04:01 GMT
#2848
On September 19 2010 09:45 kuresuti wrote:
I think it does. If the efficiency is so similar, I guess picking one over the other is not far fetched at all?


The only ship type the Golem has a clear advantage on is against Gurista because Minmatar do not have a short range kinetic bullet. Thermal still works well enough to bridge the advantage when you factor in how much better Vargur is at killing angels.

The Vargur and The Golem are both pretty damn good at all missions. The Paladin is far more specialized though as they are pretty shit against anything with high EM resist ( Angels/Gurista/ anything not Sansha)

The reason Golems are so prevelant is because hardcore mission runners are missile heavy and the Golem is a natural progression.

Keep in mind that over all the CNR is considered the fastest mission runner anyway. Less reliance on TP, more applied dps, faster, better tank, better range and better damage projection.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
September 19 2010 12:16 GMT
#2849
Why exactly are we at warr with the other corp and allying with the failpilots that are the russians. The only thing they're really good at is dieing on the battles. I go away for 2 days and everything is turned around lol.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
September 19 2010 14:20 GMT
#2850
On September 19 2010 21:16 Marradron wrote:
Why exactly are we at warr with the other corp and allying with the failpilots that are the russians. The only thing they're really good at is dieing on the battles. I go away for 2 days and everything is turned around lol.


I'll be honest, it's simply a matter of skillpoints.

Logistically Hatchery is every bit as good as No Apology. We know how to make fleets and generally how to use them properly, our issue is skillpoints. We probably only have about 6-7 individual people with enough skill points to fly real dps ships( talking roughly 14-15mil+ here.)

Both WP and I are capable of flying ships that output over 900 DPS no problem. The thing is we're both relegated to flying scimitars and our fleets ( even the big ones tbh) can't make up that 1800+ dps they lose.

Against most corps this isn't an issue but when NA actually got kinda serious yesterday we saw that they fly a neut/rr armor fleet that revolves around stupidly highly tanked dominix. They output a tank that we could simply not break as they slowly neuted our ships to shut down their hardeners. It's difficult to keep a ship up when it has no resistances anymore.

This is all fine lol. The fact that this is the only real issue speaks well for the Hatchery. Given the nature of the corp it will be filled with low SP pilots for the forseeable future and that's fine, I love flying with the guys.

It's just they have more resources that you can only gain with time. A fleet vs fleet battle at this time would probably be a stalemate atm assuming WP and I could keep the fleet up fine.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
September 19 2010 14:36 GMT
#2851
Looks like our new wartargets found the russians pos and are trying to kill it with 8+ bs. Lets rape em?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43469 Posts
September 19 2010 18:58 GMT
#2852
I'm tempted to just surrender out of the war by dumping the alliance whenever revo sorts it out. Let them waste 50m.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
September 20 2010 05:03 GMT
#2853
So basically the arrogant idiots that thought they could take us don't even have the balls to undock since we are cool with the Russians now?

They are german right? Hilarious

Yeah, yeah Dexx I read the mail. I'm doing it on purpose.
Part Time Ninja
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
September 20 2010 11:39 GMT
#2854
they see a rifter, they dodge.
TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 12:50:21
September 20 2010 12:50 GMT
#2855
On September 20 2010 20:39 Warri wrote:
they see a rifter, they dodge.


Actually no, they fight solo rifters...................................................... but it has to be with 9 BS on station and 2 RR domis.


Edit : Fighting away from station is scary
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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
September 20 2010 12:54 GMT
#2856
On September 20 2010 21:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 20:39 Warri wrote:
they see a rifter, they dodge.


Actually no, they fight solo rifters...................................................... but it has to be with 9 BS on station and 2 RR domis.


Edit : Fighting away from station is scary


Lol.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
September 20 2010 13:04 GMT
#2857
after Uni finishes (first few days of november), i have 4 months off so Im planning to pick this up again, glad to see its getting active again, hope it stays active
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
September 20 2010 15:55 GMT
#2858
The russians made a video about the war.
Serious Business
Dexxus
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States329 Posts
September 20 2010 16:13 GMT
#2859
Remember, these guys are what you call " no-risk 'pvpers' ". Their aim is to get cheap kills and no losses because they like to pad their killboard stats.
I need a signature so I'm using this one.
Penfold
Profile Joined September 2010
Cyprus3 Posts
September 20 2010 18:59 GMT
#2860
www.calimaelogistics.com/noapology/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=6
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