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StatX
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada343 Posts
November 28 2011 00:35 GMT
#1281
I just hope that they dont screw it up later as they did with SWG.
Can we snipe it? Yes we can!
Djiffit
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland18 Posts
November 28 2011 00:40 GMT
#1282
Does anyone know if it is possible to continue playing the game straight away after the early game access? I mean, like if I were to pre-order the game from Amazon and get the early game access code, would I be able to continue playing straight after the early access ends and game launches or whether I'd have to wait for my own copy to continue playing?
wrags
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States379 Posts
November 28 2011 01:07 GMT
#1283
On November 28 2011 08:50 CoR wrote:
playing beta since saturday nearly without sleep ... its the god fucking best game ever !


Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 08:38 FoeHamr wrote:
So before I say anything, I will say that the 3 MMO's that I have played are Lord of the Rings Online - a long time ago, Runescape - a longer time ago, and World of Warcraft - I quit March after playing it for about 3 or 4 years.

I really didn't like the beta. I tried it because my friend kept talking about it and then curse sent me a code so I just gave it a shot. I couldn't get into it. Simple as that. The more I played the more it was just walking around doing things that I didn't want to do. I only made it to level 3 on my jedi before I gave up with it. I made it a bit past the first major town - or at least I think it was, it had a jedi council - before I realized that there was no way that I was gonna get into the story.

Pros -
Sick ability animations - The jedi spinning around was really cool
Good voiceovers - They were nothing less than I expected from bioware
Diverse classes - Each class seemed very unique
Phasing - They used phasing so much better than WoW, although adding a single player element to a MMO is kinda weird

Cons -
No auto attack - Um... what the hell? Maybe its just me but I hated this.
Big starting areas - I'm not sure if this really is a con, but I felt I was running around too much to soon. By level 3 I was able to get lost in a building looking for my quest turn in.
Questflow - The quests didn't flow as well as in WoW. Also, they were kinda hard to find (maybe I missed something idk)
Graphics - They sucked. They shot for slightly above WoW level graphics - which are like 8 years old.
Glitches/Bugs - It was a beta. What do you expect from it? I get that they are going to fix it, but as the game stands now it was annoying. I didn't get any crashes, but there were huge drops in frame rate for no reason.

Overall I think it deserves a 7/10. I could tell it was good but I just couldn't get into it. It honestly just felt too close to WoW for me to pick playing it over the game I dumped days and days into. Instead of making me want to go buy the game, I actually want to go resubscribe to WoW... which I am reistalling now.


wanna get on to your cons after i played every race from 0-10

no auto attack - not saw it, since the normal attack is bad as in every game i not recognised it but you normaly die if you not press any button ^^ but sure they will implent such things in options later

big starting areas - not as big when you find out how the car system works and the stone you ahve you can teleport to every of the areas all 30 mins too from everywhere so its pretty near also the walk distance is not as long as it was in wow in hte old times (before they made 20 fly postions between everything cause of some whines) i love that they make so much space

questflow - ??? there are the main quests and the side quests easy to see from the mainquest way and you can follow everything on minimpa (it even tells you which door you have to use pretty easy to find way easier then old wow (again not this new click on quest and it makes it for you wow shit from last 2 years)

graphics - well yeah could be better but i like them they are not as bad and "sucked" when you still played wow ... its better then wow definatly and an mmorpg need to have other things then "good graphics" as you can see all the ones with good are dead cause its other things that are more importent and sometimes they not fit both

bugs etc - 0 disc on a beta stress test weekend ... what more can i say ^^

still beta but if it stays as it is and got slightly imporved it CAN KICK WOW FROM THE FUCKN THRONE !

ps: for all who say its to near to wow ... every mmorpg is near to wow or its just a bad mmorpg that was dead after 1-2 months ... its a reason million people play it ^^ starcraft is like age of empires in so many ways cause its the SAME GENRE GUYS ! xD


the no auto attack thing is a very subtle change that's greater than most people realize

i'm not a wow expert, but they always change spells and abilities to make the game more "balanced" and then constantly have to do that, but if you really think about it most DPS issues are due to auto attack doing most of everyones damage

by taking auto attack out they can really even the DPS of all classes much easier, pretty subtle
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
November 28 2011 06:09 GMT
#1284
On November 28 2011 10:07 wrags wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 08:50 CoR wrote:
playing beta since saturday nearly without sleep ... its the god fucking best game ever !


On November 28 2011 08:38 FoeHamr wrote:
So before I say anything, I will say that the 3 MMO's that I have played are Lord of the Rings Online - a long time ago, Runescape - a longer time ago, and World of Warcraft - I quit March after playing it for about 3 or 4 years.

I really didn't like the beta. I tried it because my friend kept talking about it and then curse sent me a code so I just gave it a shot. I couldn't get into it. Simple as that. The more I played the more it was just walking around doing things that I didn't want to do. I only made it to level 3 on my jedi before I gave up with it. I made it a bit past the first major town - or at least I think it was, it had a jedi council - before I realized that there was no way that I was gonna get into the story.

Pros -
Sick ability animations - The jedi spinning around was really cool
Good voiceovers - They were nothing less than I expected from bioware
Diverse classes - Each class seemed very unique
Phasing - They used phasing so much better than WoW, although adding a single player element to a MMO is kinda weird

Cons -
No auto attack - Um... what the hell? Maybe its just me but I hated this.
Big starting areas - I'm not sure if this really is a con, but I felt I was running around too much to soon. By level 3 I was able to get lost in a building looking for my quest turn in.
Questflow - The quests didn't flow as well as in WoW. Also, they were kinda hard to find (maybe I missed something idk)
Graphics - They sucked. They shot for slightly above WoW level graphics - which are like 8 years old.
Glitches/Bugs - It was a beta. What do you expect from it? I get that they are going to fix it, but as the game stands now it was annoying. I didn't get any crashes, but there were huge drops in frame rate for no reason.

Overall I think it deserves a 7/10. I could tell it was good but I just couldn't get into it. It honestly just felt too close to WoW for me to pick playing it over the game I dumped days and days into. Instead of making me want to go buy the game, I actually want to go resubscribe to WoW... which I am reistalling now.


wanna get on to your cons after i played every race from 0-10

no auto attack - not saw it, since the normal attack is bad as in every game i not recognised it but you normaly die if you not press any button ^^ but sure they will implent such things in options later

big starting areas - not as big when you find out how the car system works and the stone you ahve you can teleport to every of the areas all 30 mins too from everywhere so its pretty near also the walk distance is not as long as it was in wow in hte old times (before they made 20 fly postions between everything cause of some whines) i love that they make so much space

questflow - ??? there are the main quests and the side quests easy to see from the mainquest way and you can follow everything on minimpa (it even tells you which door you have to use pretty easy to find way easier then old wow (again not this new click on quest and it makes it for you wow shit from last 2 years)

graphics - well yeah could be better but i like them they are not as bad and "sucked" when you still played wow ... its better then wow definatly and an mmorpg need to have other things then "good graphics" as you can see all the ones with good are dead cause its other things that are more importent and sometimes they not fit both

bugs etc - 0 disc on a beta stress test weekend ... what more can i say ^^

still beta but if it stays as it is and got slightly imporved it CAN KICK WOW FROM THE FUCKN THRONE !

ps: for all who say its to near to wow ... every mmorpg is near to wow or its just a bad mmorpg that was dead after 1-2 months ... its a reason million people play it ^^ starcraft is like age of empires in so many ways cause its the SAME GENRE GUYS ! xD


the no auto attack thing is a very subtle change that's greater than most people realize

i'm not a wow expert, but they always change spells and abilities to make the game more "balanced" and then constantly have to do that, but if you really think about it most DPS issues are due to auto attack doing most of everyones damage

by taking auto attack out they can really even the DPS of all classes much easier, pretty subtle

It was always that auto attack added another element of luck to small encounters (like PVP). Even then, though, it does feel more engaging knowing I have to push buttons to kill mobs.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
November 28 2011 06:22 GMT
#1285
Is the beta down now?
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Malkavian183
Profile Joined February 2011
Turkey227 Posts
November 28 2011 06:38 GMT
#1286
i was really hyped for this game and it was good as much as i would want it to be.

sure there were major glitches in graphics, it was a bit laggy and fps wasn't stable (i play with i7- 940, gtx 460, 6 gb ram and i played 20 to 80 fps) the story elements in game was awesome. The first instance for empire was the best instance i've ever done! and generally liked nearly all classes i've played with this will be an awesome game imo.

i personally won't buy it but it is totally a personal choice. when i was trying the beta i remembered why i quit WoW, endless and pointless hours spending to a MMORPG, the addiction and all. so with this beta Bioware reminded me why i shouldn't play another MMORPG. Oh, the irony =)
Inject Bitch!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 09:27:31
November 28 2011 09:19 GMT
#1287
On November 28 2011 15:22 Arnstein wrote:
Is the beta down now?


No doesn't end until monday 11:59 pm CST
When I think of something else, something will go here
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
November 28 2011 09:25 GMT
#1288
On November 28 2011 18:19 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 15:22 Arnstein wrote:
Is the beta down now?


No doesn't end until monday 11:59 CST

am or pm?
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 28 2011 09:27 GMT
#1289
On November 28 2011 18:25 Enox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 18:19 blade55555 wrote:
On November 28 2011 15:22 Arnstein wrote:
Is the beta down now?


No doesn't end until monday 11:59 CST

am or pm?


PM woops forgot to put that.

God don't want it to go away just wish game was released next week >>
When I think of something else, something will go here
FrostFire626
Profile Joined April 2010
United States79 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 10:06:56
November 28 2011 10:04 GMT
#1290
Overall, ToR is shaping up to be a terrific MMO.

Pros:
Excellent voice acting, meaningful quests, clear quest objectives, a streamlined interface, surprisingly decent combat, minimal grinding, good light side / dark side choices, and plenty of places to explore and quest. It's basically a heavily streamlined version of WoW, which is good.

Cons:
The general quests (non-class) are the same for every class, and the variety of quest hubs is more limited per level than in WoW. Replayability may end up being a major problem.The graphics are quite terrible, and the general art style does not seem like it will age well at all. PvP is fun, but the designers prioritize it far below the PvE content (competitive PvP seems unlikely). The talent system is rather dull.

In the end I will buy ToR only if it proves to offer months of replayability and adequate support for competitive PvP.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
November 28 2011 10:09 GMT
#1291
On November 28 2011 18:25 Enox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 18:19 blade55555 wrote:
On November 28 2011 15:22 Arnstein wrote:
Is the beta down now?


No doesn't end until monday 11:59 CST

am or pm?


What's that in CET?
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
November 28 2011 10:28 GMT
#1292
On November 28 2011 09:40 Djiffit wrote:
Does anyone know if it is possible to continue playing the game straight away after the early game access? I mean, like if I were to pre-order the game from Amazon and get the early game access code, would I be able to continue playing straight after the early access ends and game launches or whether I'd have to wait for my own copy to continue playing?

They haven't confirmed anything like that, but most MMORPG's with headstart do give you at least 1-3 days to play after launch before having to add your retail key so SWTOR will probably also do it this way.
Varesz
Profile Joined August 2010
14 Posts
November 28 2011 10:38 GMT
#1293
On November 28 2011 15:38 Apophenic wrote:
i personally won't buy it but it is totally a personal choice. when i was trying the beta i remembered why i quit WoW, endless and pointless hours spending to a MMORPG, the addiction and all. so with this beta Bioware reminded me why i shouldn't play another MMORPG. Oh, the irony =)


I actually gonna buy it, because so far what i saw from beta this game is relying more about the story than grinding. Which is why i stopped playing wow (6 years). I think this game can offer me that couple (1-2) hours of fun i'm looking for without investing ALOT into my character. In WoW questing didn't last long and if you wanted to have fun in pvp or pve you had to grind/farm instances and reputations. I hope SWTOR will not fall into the same trap and can extend the story-based leveling as long as possible.

Although this game won't kill WoW alone, but with Diablo 3. Mostly those players will chose this game who:
-enjoyed reading a book (not student book)
-likes playing casually
-don't like monotonius grinding

Those who like grinding and care less about lore/story etc, they'll choose D3 instead of WoW or SWTOR.

Also, i don't think SWTOR's playerbase will give a damn about "world first guilds" here.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1415 Posts
November 28 2011 10:40 GMT
#1294
On November 28 2011 08:01 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 07:46 Jankisa wrote:
What really bothers me in this thread is total disregard of the fact that this is still beta (I guess that's the double edged sword of letting so many people do the beta weekends). People who shit on this game for lagg/FPS during beta don't really need to play this game anyway, at least I'd prefer them not to play it, since I don't want to play with idiots, so this beta mass invites are a good way to weed out the dumb.


So I'm an idiot, and I'm dumb because I get performance issues and I bring them up in hopes of them getting fixed?

Yeesh, that's a little harsh


It's really simple, the game is rendering graphic details from the game server (other players gear, animations etc) and that has nothing to do with your computer, and framerates drop when that is happening regardless of what computer you are playing it on.

During my playing this weekend that did bother me, but it was clear to me that this was due to server being full and not due to poor game programming, since all the lag and graphic glitches stoped when I got into phased area limited to only me/group, so please don't go judging game for that.

Regarding PvP being terrible, name me a game that has good PVP on low lvls, it's simply to much to expect, especially from a game that isn't released yet (low lvl PVP in wow is laughable, specially given twinks and LVL ranges of battlegrounds, haven't played other mmos tho).

I will play this game since I am a mayor SW fan, I love KOTOR story and the way conversations work and I think it took most of the things WOW did right and got it to fit in Star Wars universe. I don't think Skyrimesque graphics are for MMOs, since it just diverts attention from gameplay and the game would suffer for that (skyim questing is really lacking).
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
November 28 2011 10:58 GMT
#1295
On November 28 2011 19:09 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 18:25 Enox wrote:
On November 28 2011 18:19 blade55555 wrote:
On November 28 2011 15:22 Arnstein wrote:
Is the beta down now?


No doesn't end until monday 11:59 CST

am or pm?


What's that in CET?

6.59 am on Tuesday morning
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
November 28 2011 11:49 GMT
#1296
On November 28 2011 19:58 Enox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 19:09 Arnstein wrote:
On November 28 2011 18:25 Enox wrote:
On November 28 2011 18:19 blade55555 wrote:
On November 28 2011 15:22 Arnstein wrote:
Is the beta down now?


No doesn't end until monday 11:59 CST

am or pm?


What's that in CET?

6.59 am on Tuesday morning


Goodbye calculus and good grades, hello SWTOR!
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
November 28 2011 13:12 GMT
#1297
On November 28 2011 15:38 Apophenic wrote:
i was really hyped for this game and it was good as much as i would want it to be.

sure there were major glitches in graphics, it was a bit laggy and fps wasn't stable (i play with i7- 940, gtx 460, 6 gb ram and i played 20 to 80 fps) the story elements in game was awesome. The first instance for empire was the best instance i've ever done! and generally liked nearly all classes i've played with this will be an awesome game imo.

i personally won't buy it but it is totally a personal choice. when i was trying the beta i remembered why i quit WoW, endless and pointless hours spending to a MMORPG, the addiction and all. so with this beta Bioware reminded me why i shouldn't play another MMORPG. Oh, the irony =)

That first instance with the empire is so awesome, its pretty long but i had so much fun. Killed the captain at the begining and the general at the end.

Dark side points om nom nom nom
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 13:39:27
November 28 2011 13:37 GMT
#1298
It's pretty fun especially the story telling . It feels alot like KotR did . The companions and the crafting system are nice from what i've seen up to ~lvl 20 now. BUT i'm not sure its worth to get with a monthly fee involved. I played WoW up untill 2.5 years ago and the problem is for me this game has alot of stuff in it that i hated about WoW in the end. I'm not sure this game is worth 50-60€ + a monthly fee at ~15€ .

I loved the KotR games especially the first one , it's probably still my favorite RPG and this feels alot like it but it's still an MMORPG idk if i wanna buy the game. A third KotR i would've bought in a second without thinking( even the current SWTOR without the MMO part ) but this probably not , at least not right away.
DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
November 28 2011 14:28 GMT
#1299
A question for anyone that has "beat" the full class story for at least 1 character. How long did it take? If you could toss out instances and too many side quests, how long would it take to run through a class arc from beginning to end?

Just wondering on the length and replay value since it seems that is the only unique thing with dialogue that one would want to go through (and spam spacebar for the other 1-3 characters you make per side for non-class quest dialogue). It seems the game is very Alt friendly for those who just like running through every class to the max and then pick one to craft and mess around with (or dabble in instances or PvP but too casual to really rock at either).

I wonder if I could get through the 8 class quests and bypass all of the side quests for 6 of the 8 characters (1 per side just to check them out) and be done in time for the "next big thing" (e.g. Diablo 3, GW2). I just can't see myself PvPing in this game as I did not enjoy it and the instances are cool once but after that I wouldn't want to join to spam spacebar as it really kills it for me. I also wonder if I could get to 50 and then run all of the instances (level 10 one at 50 would be easy but just for the story).
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 14:43:03
November 28 2011 14:42 GMT
#1300
On November 28 2011 23:28 DrSeRRoD wrote:
A question for anyone that has "beat" the full class story for at least 1 character. How long did it take? If you could toss out instances and too many side quests, how long would it take to run through a class arc from beginning to end?

Just wondering on the length and replay value since it seems that is the only unique thing with dialogue that one would want to go through (and spam spacebar for the other 1-3 characters you make per side for non-class quest dialogue). It seems the game is very Alt friendly for those who just like running through every class to the max and then pick one to craft and mess around with (or dabble in instances or PvP but too casual to really rock at either).

I wonder if I could get through the 8 class quests and bypass all of the side quests for 6 of the 8 characters (1 per side just to check them out) and be done in time for the "next big thing" (e.g. Diablo 3, GW2). I just can't see myself PvPing in this game as I did not enjoy it and the instances are cool once but after that I wouldn't want to join to spam spacebar as it really kills it for me. I also wonder if I could get to 50 and then run all of the instances (level 10 one at 50 would be easy but just for the story).

Your story keeps going as far as I know. I hit 21 last night and I was still chasing the villain(s) laid out from the beginning zone quests. It will likely take you all the way to 50, assuming you don't completely ignore the other quests in the zones.
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