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On November 16 2012 20:28 -Archangel- wrote:
I installed this game for first time today. I need to note I never played WoW or any other MMO but DDO. I am a big fan of single player RPGs. I loved both Kotor 1 and 2.
That said, opening animation was awesome. But the rest.. graphics are bad (even on very high), starting story is almost nonexistent. Your first quests are generic kill 10 guys and save 6 people from cages, which is made worse with 20 people doing it at the same time and monster respawning every 30s although the guy said I was only one that could help.
Movement+combat system is so ran uninteresting and free to play character moves way too slow for big empty maps they put you on. All enemies just stand still and don't bother you unless you come really close and it is easy to see them.
At least in Skyrim (with is also big and empty with nothing happening most of the time) you could get attacked before you noticed the enemy.
First impression is bad. Maybe I am not just made for playing MMOs.
It's just a shitty MMO. Hence why it's f2p before even making it year.
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On November 16 2012 20:34 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 20:28 -Archangel- wrote:
I installed this game for first time today. I need to note I never played WoW or any other MMO but DDO. I am a big fan of single player RPGs. I loved both Kotor 1 and 2.
That said, opening animation was awesome. But the rest.. graphics are bad (even on very high), starting story is almost nonexistent. Your first quests are generic kill 10 guys and save 6 people from cages, which is made worse with 20 people doing it at the same time and monster respawning every 30s although the guy said I was only one that could help.
Movement+combat system is so ran uninteresting and free to play character moves way too slow for big empty maps they put you on. All enemies just stand still and don't bother you unless you come really close and it is easy to see them.
At least in Skyrim (with is also big and empty with nothing happening most of the time) you could get attacked before you noticed the enemy.
First impression is bad. Maybe I am not just made for playing MMOs. It's just a shitty MMO. Hence why it's f2p before even making it year.
Most MMOs are that way. The genre is full of shit right now.
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On November 16 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 20:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On November 16 2012 20:28 -Archangel- wrote:
I installed this game for first time today. I need to note I never played WoW or any other MMO but DDO. I am a big fan of single player RPGs. I loved both Kotor 1 and 2.
That said, opening animation was awesome. But the rest.. graphics are bad (even on very high), starting story is almost nonexistent. Your first quests are generic kill 10 guys and save 6 people from cages, which is made worse with 20 people doing it at the same time and monster respawning every 30s although the guy said I was only one that could help.
Movement+combat system is so ran uninteresting and free to play character moves way too slow for big empty maps they put you on. All enemies just stand still and don't bother you unless you come really close and it is easy to see them.
At least in Skyrim (with is also big and empty with nothing happening most of the time) you could get attacked before you noticed the enemy.
First impression is bad. Maybe I am not just made for playing MMOs. It's just a shitty MMO. Hence why it's f2p before even making it year. Most MMOs are that way. The genre is full of shit right now.
We can all agree that this game had a TON of potential. Someone clearly dropped the ball there.
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On November 17 2012 01:49 Al Bundy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:On November 16 2012 20:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On November 16 2012 20:28 -Archangel- wrote:
I installed this game for first time today. I need to note I never played WoW or any other MMO but DDO. I am a big fan of single player RPGs. I loved both Kotor 1 and 2.
That said, opening animation was awesome. But the rest.. graphics are bad (even on very high), starting story is almost nonexistent. Your first quests are generic kill 10 guys and save 6 people from cages, which is made worse with 20 people doing it at the same time and monster respawning every 30s although the guy said I was only one that could help.
Movement+combat system is so ran uninteresting and free to play character moves way too slow for big empty maps they put you on. All enemies just stand still and don't bother you unless you come really close and it is easy to see them.
At least in Skyrim (with is also big and empty with nothing happening most of the time) you could get attacked before you noticed the enemy.
First impression is bad. Maybe I am not just made for playing MMOs. It's just a shitty MMO. Hence why it's f2p before even making it year. Most MMOs are that way. The genre is full of shit right now. We can all agree that this game had a TON of potential. Someone clearly dropped the ball there.
I would agree, till i played the beta. MMOs are going into instances instances and more instances, killing server communities (the best thing aside your guild and friends at MMOs) and making the game feel like you are doing "McDungeons", SWG 2.0 would had been better, and the game was bad, but the community kept it alive.
Edit - And didn't mean to disrepect you, i am just mad at the genre, so much potential, and AAA producers only want to try to make another WoW. Flash news, MMORPGs at release will always be worse than a game which has more years if you don't really do something different 
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The only potential this game really had was the fact they could have quickly altered courses and had a base for KOTOR3, but alas...they went with this route.
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On November 17 2012 01:54 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 01:49 Al Bundy wrote:On November 16 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:On November 16 2012 20:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On November 16 2012 20:28 -Archangel- wrote:
I installed this game for first time today. I need to note I never played WoW or any other MMO but DDO. I am a big fan of single player RPGs. I loved both Kotor 1 and 2.
That said, opening animation was awesome. But the rest.. graphics are bad (even on very high), starting story is almost nonexistent. Your first quests are generic kill 10 guys and save 6 people from cages, which is made worse with 20 people doing it at the same time and monster respawning every 30s although the guy said I was only one that could help.
Movement+combat system is so ran uninteresting and free to play character moves way too slow for big empty maps they put you on. All enemies just stand still and don't bother you unless you come really close and it is easy to see them.
At least in Skyrim (with is also big and empty with nothing happening most of the time) you could get attacked before you noticed the enemy.
First impression is bad. Maybe I am not just made for playing MMOs. It's just a shitty MMO. Hence why it's f2p before even making it year. Most MMOs are that way. The genre is full of shit right now. We can all agree that this game had a TON of potential. Someone clearly dropped the ball there. I would agree, till i played the beta. MMOs are going into instances instances and more instances, killing server communities (the best thing aside your guild and friends at MMOs) and making the game feel like you are doing "McDungeons", SWG 2.0 would had been better, and the game was bad, but the community kept it alive. Edit - And didn't mean to disrepect you, i am just mad at the genre, so much potential, and AAA producers only want to try to make another WoW. Flash news, MMORPGs at release will always be worse than a game which has more years if you don't really do something different
Amen to that.
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On November 17 2012 01:49 Al Bundy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 21:48 Godwrath wrote:On November 16 2012 20:34 Infernal_dream wrote:On November 16 2012 20:28 -Archangel- wrote:
I installed this game for first time today. I need to note I never played WoW or any other MMO but DDO. I am a big fan of single player RPGs. I loved both Kotor 1 and 2.
That said, opening animation was awesome. But the rest.. graphics are bad (even on very high), starting story is almost nonexistent. Your first quests are generic kill 10 guys and save 6 people from cages, which is made worse with 20 people doing it at the same time and monster respawning every 30s although the guy said I was only one that could help.
Movement+combat system is so ran uninteresting and free to play character moves way too slow for big empty maps they put you on. All enemies just stand still and don't bother you unless you come really close and it is easy to see them.
At least in Skyrim (with is also big and empty with nothing happening most of the time) you could get attacked before you noticed the enemy.
First impression is bad. Maybe I am not just made for playing MMOs. It's just a shitty MMO. Hence why it's f2p before even making it year. Most MMOs are that way. The genre is full of shit right now. We can all agree that this game had a TON of potential. Someone clearly dropped the ball there.
Imho: Legavy not being in release, because they spent all their time post-release to implement legacy which ... well... is nice but no reason for a sub.
And having no tech for server transfers (and too many servers), which were needed after a massive amount of players left after the initial breakdown (normal for so hyped games) and the additional people leaving after 2-3 months when legacy was the only new thing.
So they spent all their dev resources on implementing legacy (no sub reason) and then server transfers/mergers (no content). So 5-6 months after release their additions to the game where... simply not enough to warrant a sub.
Oh ... and absolute retarded devs in charge who had no fucking clue about the game & MMOs in general and also lied to the subscribers (I'm looking at you Georg Zoeller & Daniel Erickson)
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So, I been playing this game over the weekend. I need to kill 9 days until BGEE and although not great this game is fun enough and free :D
So, is there a way to get a better control scheme for this game? I want my point & click system. wasd + right mouse is terrible, and when combat starts moving from one target to next one is horrible as I need my mouse to click on attacks while moving starts turning camera if I don't have right mouse button clicked...
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On November 20 2012 01:29 -Archangel- wrote:
So, I been playing this game over the weekend. I need to kill 9 days until BGEE and although not great this game is fun enough and free :D
So, is there a way to get a better control scheme for this game? I want my point & click system. wasd + right mouse is terrible, and when combat starts moving from one target to next one is horrible as I need my mouse to click on attacks while moving starts turning camera if I don't have right mouse button clicked...
Hotkey all your attacks. I personally remapped z, x,c, r, and 3 mouse buttons and I can do a full rotation nicely. Targetting is even worse than WoW though, it's super fickle about what constitutes clicking "on" a specific mob so it's really hard to switch targets without Tab, which is a shitshow as anyone who played WoW knows.
The reason they're fine with the shitty scheme is that you don't have to see what's going on in combat to make decisions, you press the same 4-5 buttons in the same order and things die.
The story in the game is surprisingly decent, but it gets more and more unplayable the more you play it with the F2P restrictions and it's nowhere near worth a sub fee.
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well I been using 1 to + for 1st quickslot bar but second one has no hotkeys. And the game is fast. And yes, I just keep pressing same combination of keys (a bit different for stronger characters as they need me to turn on my defensive abilities as well) and shit dies :D
I also use Tab but it is hard to see who is actually selected. Not that I look at combat at all, game being so fast and needing to look at cooldowns for different skills, and focus and centering and health I don't get to watch combat at all.
Point and click would at least solve some of my problems like selecting and moving to new targets.
Now I got to hold right mouse->rotate camera to new target->move there with W->when close press Tab (I set it to select nearest enemy, it was terrible when it was on Next enemy as I would need to cycle through all enemies and it would take even longer) and then start using abilities.
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SWTOR eh? Haven't given it a look since beta, 'till lately that I've heard it's going F2P (not really surprised...)
From reading and skimming around in the last pages, it seems it'll have heavy restrictions in PvP, latest zones and the social stuff huh? Well, even then, I might actually give it a go! I'd totally pay then the money....if it was worth it. But it always felt like a bland/bad MMO for me, the story being the only compelling part, so I might actually give it a go to go through the story once or twice.
Then again, I don't have alot of time in my hands lately, but we'll see, a wannabe-MMO Kotor 3 shouldn't be too bad.
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On November 20 2012 02:03 Ydriel wrote:
SWTOR eh? Haven't given it a look since beta, 'till lately that I've heard it's going F2P (not really surprised...)
From reading and skimming around in the last pages, it seems it'll have heavy restrictions in PvP, latest zones and the social stuff huh? Well, even then, I might actually give it a go! I'd totally pay then the money....if it was worth it. But it always felt like a bland/bad MMO for me, the story being the only compelling part, so I might actually give it a go to go through the story once or twice.
Then again, I don't have alot of time in my hands lately, but we'll see, a wannabe-MMO Kotor 3 shouldn't be too bad.
If you've played a lot of WoW, I must warn you: It plays exactly the same. I mean down to the fact that the first 7-8 Jedi Consular/Sith Inquisitor skills that you learn are EXACT copies of Priest skills in WoW. I mean that's the part that's keeping me from enjoying it as much as I think I should, it feels no different than a game that I am just so over playing.
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On November 20 2012 02:03 Ydriel wrote:
SWTOR eh? Haven't given it a look since beta, 'till lately that I've heard it's going F2P (not really surprised...)
From reading and skimming around in the last pages, it seems it'll have heavy restrictions in PvP, latest zones and the social stuff huh? Well, even then, I might actually give it a go! I'd totally pay then the money....if it was worth it. But it always felt like a bland/bad MMO for me, the story being the only compelling part, so I might actually give it a go to go through the story once or twice.
Then again, I don't have alot of time in my hands lately, but we'll see, a wannabe-MMO Kotor 3 shouldn't be too bad.
If you like single player/co-op RPGs I'd say it's worth a play. The stories are pretty fun. The MMO aspect of the game is what the downfall was. They seriously would have made so much more money just making a pure KOTOR3 instead of this MMO shit.
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I played SWTOR from Beta onwards for 5 consecutive months before dropping it. Reasons it failed:
* It was not ready at launch. Launch was bug infested like no other game I ever played, and bugs to the point of serious performance issues and broken boss mechanics / quests. Playing Guild Wars 2 BETA reminded me just how terrible SWTOR was performance wise. GW2 even in beta had less issues than SWTOR 5 months into launch.
* No LFG until after I left the game
* No Server transfers until after I left the game
* End-game started off far too easy and after months of waiting for something new you get one with 4 bosses, that's it. Cleared it in 3 hours.
* Massive failure in Open World PvP (Ilum) that ended up just getting shut down after a couple months.
* Performance issues such as extremely long loading times.
* Huge class changes within the first couple months, especially with sorcerer healing, forced your hand in playing different roles for the class than you originally specced for.
All of this led to many people quitting the game, and then the few dedicated remaining were unable to transfer to heavier populated servers due to NO SERVER TRANSFER, and then it became near impossible to get dungeon groups together due to refusal to implement a LFG system even with dwindling populations and people stuck on ghost servers.
I had fun while it lasted. Good story, great voice acting, love the Star Wars atmosphere, and the boss mechanics were fun, though just not enough to make the sub worth-while.
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Is this good to just play the quest as a BioWare single player game?
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On November 20 2012 03:42 digmouse wrote:
Is this good to just play the quest as a BioWare single player game?
the dialogue, voice acting and story are all well done
if you can get past the grinding yes
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On November 20 2012 03:42 digmouse wrote:
Is this good to just play the quest as a BioWare single player game?
Yes and no. The vast majority of the quests are standard fetch/kill quests and the lack of mobility options to F2P (sprinting and mount) means they take forever to do. Being F2P also throttles your XP gain so you'll find yourself needing to do every single mission, regardless of how out of the way or insignificant they are, just to be able to progress along the XP curve the game dictates.
There are also (to be expected with the amount of content) tons of repeating mission parameters. In nearly every mission you can expect, halfway through, to find out that what you're doing is evil and you should do Y instead and forces you to make a Dark/Light check. As usual for KotOR games, you must go all of one or all of the other to get any sort of rewards, so it means you are a terribly inconsistent roleplayer if you're anywhere in the middle.
Is it possible to functionally play it as a single player game? Yes. Is it fun/interesting enough to balance out the tedium caused by the arbitrary restrictions? No.
Let me give an example (regarding the Dark/Light stuff) that, while vague, is somewhat of a spoiler to the Imperial storyline:
+ Show Spoiler +There's one point where you defeat a Republic commander and he offers to back your version of events, thus gaining the Empire massive amounts of political influence and fulfilling one of the main goals you set out to accomplish on this mission (find sources of Republic involvement in a resistance movement). In return, he asks that you enslave rather than kill all of his men. Dark/Light split here is preposterous, you're being evil either way and it's just a difference between smart and dumb evil.
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I wish they made a KOTOR 3, with awesome graphics and physics engine.
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So today I learned that all (? - at least a shitton) unlocks are tradeable. And sellable on the GTN.
And that you cannot send your credits via mail as a preferred player (each char has it's own creditcap) - which is another PITA restriction
So BW basically is selling credits for real $$$, while on the same time offering F2P players to gain access to all unlocks without spending a single $.
Seems similar from what I heard about Eve, where you can sell game time (in this TOR's case restricted items) which you acquired via hard cash, for ingame currency.
That said prices are bad atm, since most people dont seem to realize this (yet). And over/underprice stuff by a ton, and they dont think about the credit restriction of F2P players.
That said I was able to snatch an account wide Section-X unlock for 380k credits (with the help of a friend who is a sub player).
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2012 02:16 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 02:03 Ydriel wrote:
SWTOR eh? Haven't given it a look since beta, 'till lately that I've heard it's going F2P (not really surprised...)
From reading and skimming around in the last pages, it seems it'll have heavy restrictions in PvP, latest zones and the social stuff huh? Well, even then, I might actually give it a go! I'd totally pay then the money....if it was worth it. But it always felt like a bland/bad MMO for me, the story being the only compelling part, so I might actually give it a go to go through the story once or twice.
Then again, I don't have alot of time in my hands lately, but we'll see, a wannabe-MMO Kotor 3 shouldn't be too bad. If you've played a lot of WoW, I must warn you: It plays exactly the same. I mean down to the fact that the first 7-8 Jedi Consular/Sith Inquisitor skills that you learn are EXACT copies of Priest skills in WoW. I mean that's the part that's keeping me from enjoying it as much as I think I should, it feels no different than a game that I am just so over playing.
Yeah, I didn't play much through the beta, the skills and combat seemed ok, but definitely generic. And yeah, played through Wow, along many other MMOs (latest foray into the genre being GW2), and I don't wanna go down there. But the few I've played of the beta, the story was compelling enough to keep me going for a while.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2012 02:52 GrapeApe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 02:03 Ydriel wrote:
SWTOR eh? Haven't given it a look since beta, 'till lately that I've heard it's going F2P (not really surprised...)
From reading and skimming around in the last pages, it seems it'll have heavy restrictions in PvP, latest zones and the social stuff huh? Well, even then, I might actually give it a go! I'd totally pay then the money....if it was worth it. But it always felt like a bland/bad MMO for me, the story being the only compelling part, so I might actually give it a go to go through the story once or twice.
Then again, I don't have alot of time in my hands lately, but we'll see, a wannabe-MMO Kotor 3 shouldn't be too bad. If you like single player/co-op RPGs I'd say it's worth a play. The stories are pretty fun. The MMO aspect of the game is what the downfall was. They seriously would have made so much more money just making a pure KOTOR3 instead of this MMO shit.
Yeah, I might give it a try and finish my bounty hunter story. I liked how it went slightly into mandalorian lore (or I think it was, can't remember for sure)
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