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heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 20:32:59
August 01 2012 20:30 GMT
#4721
On August 01 2012 21:45 timoi210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 09:15 heishe wrote:
It's so funny. EA seems to lose its grip on everything.

If they keep charging money for the box, their player numbers (or better in F2P terms: Their income) will dip so fast, they'll have to shut the game down a couple of months after the free to play change to cut losses.

First of all: Nobody wants to pay money for a free to play game. Are you serious? Why should I buy a game, no matter how cheap, if half the things in that game are kept from me until I pay more money? Especially such important stuff as the endgame content.

Secondly, from all those players who quit, I am personally pretty sure that very few people actually dropped the game because of the subscription fee. It was the game, it was simply bad. It's a worse WoW clone in the Star Wars universe with a couple of extras here and there. The only good thing about the game was the story. People played it, tried to enjoy some endgame, and quit. They're not going to come back and spend money in a F2P shop.

And more importantly: The few players who actually decide to purchase a F2P game won't be held by the game for a long time. The same thing will happen, them quitting after a couple of months, and they will not make a lot of money, or even close to enough to pay back their ridiculous budget.

And the players who are actually still playing the game right now will be lost over time too. There's no way in hell that they're going to be able to keep up good content with all the team cuts that they made over the last few months. And that, on top of the fact that those game mechanics actually bore quite a lot of people now, is just terrible.


Please read these 2 articles:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/07/lord-of-the-rings-online-doubles-revenue-since-going-free-to-pla/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-30-subscription-mmos-arent-dying-says-lotro-maker-turbine

The thing is SWTOR right now is a dying MMO much like the old LOTRO was when it was still had a subscription model. The game basically offered too little for the price it was asking compared to other more polished MMOs such as WoW (created in 2004 so it had time to grow). Going F2P saved LOTRO from biting the dust and in fact increased their revenue more than when it was still following the subscription model.

The F2P model does 3 things basically: First, it establishes a large player base cause hey its a good quality game that's free so why not try it out. Second, it gives the players the freedom to buy and pay for things that they like such as premium membership for more content or cosmetic items. And Last it gives the game an edge over competitors such as WoW (compare this to an Exclusive Bar that has an entry fee to an Open one where entrance is free but drinks need to be paid for).


Yes, but new players still have to pay for the box, which eliminates point 1. In addition, I think my other points still hold true. Rift for example still was unique in various ways, while SWTOR really is a bad WoW clone in the Star Wars universe. People aren't stupid. Many people are probably going to play it for the story content, and then quit, and I highly doubt that a lot of people are going to spend money in that phase.
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
Alay
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States660 Posts
August 01 2012 20:44 GMT
#4722
I'm still extremely bitter that this flop game was the main reason that Star Wars Galaxies was finally brought down. That game wasn't the greatest, no, but it was at least still a ton of fun, and a sand box MMO with an amazing crafting/space flight system.
Obsidian
Profile Joined June 2010
United States350 Posts
August 01 2012 20:48 GMT
#4723
Galaxies was brought down because for most... it was BAD!

They were able to get away with completely rebuilding the game after launch. Only a game on it's way out could ever attempt such a thing.

SWToR was fun, leveling once was amusing, I liked the quests and the voice-overs. The classes were interesting enough, but endgame was poor. In the end, it was a somewhat unpolished WOW clone. Not much you can do about that, even if the 1-60 was far better than WOW.
Luke, you are still a wanker!
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
August 01 2012 22:48 GMT
#4724
On August 02 2012 05:30 heishe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 21:45 timoi210 wrote:
On August 01 2012 09:15 heishe wrote:
It's so funny. EA seems to lose its grip on everything.

If they keep charging money for the box, their player numbers (or better in F2P terms: Their income) will dip so fast, they'll have to shut the game down a couple of months after the free to play change to cut losses.

First of all: Nobody wants to pay money for a free to play game. Are you serious? Why should I buy a game, no matter how cheap, if half the things in that game are kept from me until I pay more money? Especially such important stuff as the endgame content.

Secondly, from all those players who quit, I am personally pretty sure that very few people actually dropped the game because of the subscription fee. It was the game, it was simply bad. It's a worse WoW clone in the Star Wars universe with a couple of extras here and there. The only good thing about the game was the story. People played it, tried to enjoy some endgame, and quit. They're not going to come back and spend money in a F2P shop.

And more importantly: The few players who actually decide to purchase a F2P game won't be held by the game for a long time. The same thing will happen, them quitting after a couple of months, and they will not make a lot of money, or even close to enough to pay back their ridiculous budget.

And the players who are actually still playing the game right now will be lost over time too. There's no way in hell that they're going to be able to keep up good content with all the team cuts that they made over the last few months. And that, on top of the fact that those game mechanics actually bore quite a lot of people now, is just terrible.


Please read these 2 articles:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/07/lord-of-the-rings-online-doubles-revenue-since-going-free-to-pla/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-30-subscription-mmos-arent-dying-says-lotro-maker-turbine

The thing is SWTOR right now is a dying MMO much like the old LOTRO was when it was still had a subscription model. The game basically offered too little for the price it was asking compared to other more polished MMOs such as WoW (created in 2004 so it had time to grow). Going F2P saved LOTRO from biting the dust and in fact increased their revenue more than when it was still following the subscription model.

The F2P model does 3 things basically: First, it establishes a large player base cause hey its a good quality game that's free so why not try it out. Second, it gives the players the freedom to buy and pay for things that they like such as premium membership for more content or cosmetic items. And Last it gives the game an edge over competitors such as WoW (compare this to an Exclusive Bar that has an entry fee to an Open one where entrance is free but drinks need to be paid for).


Yes, but new players still have to pay for the box, which eliminates point 1. In addition, I think my other points still hold true. Rift for example still was unique in various ways, while SWTOR really is a bad WoW clone in the Star Wars universe. People aren't stupid. Many people are probably going to play it for the story content, and then quit, and I highly doubt that a lot of people are going to spend money in that phase.


Is that really the case? deth2munkie said on the previous page that you dont need to buy it.
Anyone has a source supporting either statement?
AxUU
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Finland162 Posts
August 01 2012 23:09 GMT
#4725
Now I don't know why but I got bored with this game REALLY quickly, has anyone experienced the same?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Alay
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States660 Posts
August 01 2012 23:57 GMT
#4726
On August 02 2012 05:48 Obsidian wrote:
Galaxies was brought down because for most... it was BAD!

They were able to get away with completely rebuilding the game after launch. Only a game on it's way out could ever attempt such a thing.

SWToR was fun, leveling once was amusing, I liked the quests and the voice-overs. The classes were interesting enough, but endgame was poor. In the end, it was a somewhat unpolished WOW clone. Not much you can do about that, even if the 1-60 was far better than WOW.


It lasted eight years with a moderate player base. Crafting system, space, and the sandbox nature of the RPG kept it still well enjoyable.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11980 Posts
August 02 2012 00:19 GMT
#4727
On August 02 2012 02:19 MattBarry wrote:
Isn't SW:TOR like 20gb? I doubt it'll go over like Lotro with a size that huge. I'd try if it were free and smaller but 20gb will take forever on my shitty american internet


Assuming you have ~1mbit connection it would take less than three days. Which isn't that bad. I've had some downloads take a month or more due to various problems.

I'll play this sooner or later, I had planned to get it sometime just to play through the story anyhow.
Tom Cruise
Profile Joined July 2012
Denmark482 Posts
August 02 2012 00:36 GMT
#4728
heh, fun fact: max payne 3 is nearly twice teh size of swtor.
DongLongJohnson
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany143 Posts
August 02 2012 00:59 GMT
#4729
On August 02 2012 09:36 Tom Cruise wrote:
heh, fun fact: max payne 3 is nearly twice teh size of swtor.


Because Max Payne 3 is A FUCKING MOVIE! and there are at least 25gb of 1080p cutscenes in there.
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 16:43:35
August 20 2012 16:43 GMT
#4730
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/08/20/gamescom-2012-swtor-will-sell-statted-gear-debating-new-planet/

:|

Selling gear. Statted gear.

:|
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 06:14:48
August 21 2012 05:27 GMT
#4731
Man what happened? what have they done to Star Wars?

Q: What (if anything) will subscribers have to pay for after F2P launches?

I wish I had a solid answer for you on that. We’re still in discussion about some of the larger content updates that we’re planning. Great example is the planet Makeb. We’ve talked about Makeb, we have a lot of plans around Makeb. I wish I could give you more details, but I can tell you that I think the playerbase is going to be really, really pleased. More story content. New and interesting things for the players to do. More systems and interesting functions in the game … I can’t go into a lot of detail, but around things like that … This is a pretty big piece (of content). It is probably all that I can say. It is definitely still for discussion whether we sell that to the subscriber or the subscriber gets that for free because it is a big beefy chunk of content.


Not to mention the "we can't go into a lot of detail, we can't give you more details"... Dude, what are you doing??? You got to give some information to your customers. I don't know who's in charge but, soon, no one will be around to hear these details.
o choro é livre
Aflixion
Profile Joined August 2010
United States191 Posts
August 21 2012 07:43 GMT
#4732
On August 21 2012 01:43 Candadar wrote:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/08/20/gamescom-2012-swtor-will-sell-statted-gear-debating-new-planet/

:|

Selling gear. Statted gear.

:|


Aren't there any other games that sell *leveling* gear? They're not selling endgame gear at all. Here's a direct quote:

Pay to win is not something that we like. I don’t want to unbalance the game by putting things out on the store that somebody can walk in on day one, buy and be the winner. Having said that, there will be some things that we put out in the store that do enhance power value in some way, but not at the top end.


Source: http://www.swtor-life.com/video/the-future-of-swtor-jeff-hickman-interview/7112/

Are there any positive articles about SWTOR from Massively? They seem to find any excuse to badmouth the game.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
August 21 2012 08:51 GMT
#4733
it just boggles the mind that they are giving away the best part of the game for free (1-50) and charge money for the worst part of the game (end game).
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 08:55:15
August 21 2012 08:54 GMT
#4734
So this is going free to play? after such a short amount of time? Ouch xD I enjoyed it when i played it, i dont understand why they would do this tbh, but i never made endgame and quit to play Rift with the wife..

The PvP was awesome though
Useless wet fish.
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
August 21 2012 08:57 GMT
#4735
Game flopped so hard, making it F2P won't save it.
Leenock the Punisher
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 21 2012 09:25 GMT
#4736
On August 21 2012 17:51 broz0rs wrote:
it just boggles the mind that they are giving away the best part of the game for free (1-50) and charge money for the worst part of the game (end game).

Hook a new generation and build a new carrot for when they hit 50?
Or maybe get them HOOKED on alts so they have to continue their empathy with character's struggle at 50?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 12 2012 13:42 GMT
#4737
So is this already F2P right now? I dont quite get it.

It says everywhere it starts in fall. Which definition do they use for fall?
Off-season = best season
Calm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada380 Posts
September 12 2012 14:01 GMT
#4738
F2P is going to launch around november. It's still pay 2 play now
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
September 12 2012 17:51 GMT
#4739
On September 12 2012 23:01 Calm wrote:
F2P is going to launch around november. It's still pay 2 play now


There's still a free download/trial to lvl 15, but that's basically the starter planet and most of the main world.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 12 2012 18:15 GMT
#4740
On September 12 2012 23:01 Calm wrote:
F2P is going to launch around november. It's still pay 2 play now

Thanks.

That would mean after MoP release, which is kinda dumb imo.
Off-season = best season
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