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Aflixion
United States191 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 09 2011 11:07 neohero9 wrote: Guys. Stop feeding Fruscainte. He doesn't like the game. He's not going to stop talking about it. He's not going to listen to arguments against his point of view. He's not going to stop using his condescending tone. He's not going to admit to having ever made a misstep in his posts about TOR. He has an opinion. He insists on expressing it, which is completely within his rights. Neither his opinion nor his compulsion to share it are going to change. I know I should probably not respond to this, but you're acting just silly Someone demanded that I show a case in which someone got banned from Bioware games. I showed a case. Someone said they don't understand why people get hyped over cinematic trailers, I agreed with them. Someone said that people have the right to opinions unless they are negative, if they are negative they should just shut up because they are being mean and I called him out on that. This makes me a bigoted, close minded troll how? I expressed my opinion and people keep misrepresenting it and then act all superficial when I try to explain it to them backing into the calling me a troll for having a complaint about their glorious Bioware and their game. I take part in the discussion, albeit negative, but nonetheless take part in the discussion. You see, my posts in this thread would most likely be cut entirely in half if people didn't see me write "This game did not live up to my standards" and reply to me like I said "THIS GAME FUCKING SUCKS WOW BIOWARE ARE THE DEVIL SCREW THEM I ALWAYS HATED BIOWARE." I provided TWO links to 2+ hours worth of Jedi Knight/Bounty Hunter gameplay for everyone and offered to stream another 45 minutes of Sith Inquisitor gameplay. Stop acting like I'm coming in here to troll you and your precious game. I have not said as far as I can remember saying this game was bad, and if I did, I apologize because I was probably extremely annoyed with something. I'm just saying it did not meet my and most of everyone I knows expectations and they are hyping it far too much in my opinion despite its mediocrity. You may be fine with the mediocrity and cookie-cutterness. That's fine, I don't care. Really. That's your choice to like that. I'm just saying FOR ME it makes no sense and looks bland. And I get hounded on like I'm trying to take it down. Come up with replies that consist more of "You're wrong" or "Are you 13 or something?" or making an eloquent, but useless post calling me a troll and maybe we can have an intelligent discussion. I'm more than willing to accept this game is good if you can provide actual evidence and reasoning for it. The question is, are you willing to accept this game might not be as good as you think it is? Because I've watched 5+ hours of leaked gameplay and, for now, my opinion is set on the latter. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Hmm... I'm having trouble understanding what's so awesome about that video : / | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
Let's hope they can balance that right. Because, at least in KoTOR and KoTOR 2, you needed some Jedi in your party. You could not go blaster or something because Jedi was infinitely better in every possible way. | ||
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Simiard
United States55 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:15 Fruscainte wrote: On a real note, it's just going to be difficult to balance Force Users and Non-Force Users. It's going to be a good slipping slope here. Either they over compensate and non force users like Bounty Hunters and whatnot are far too strong and are overused, or Force Users are ridiculously strong (as they should be) and the other classes are pathetically bad. Let's hope they can balance that right. Because, at least in KoTOR and KoTOR 2, you needed some Jedi in your party. You could not go blaster or something because Jedi was infinitely better in every possible way. I don't see it being that difficult to strike a balance. If you look purely from a game play standpoint it's really no different than balancing any class in any MMO. Force users will have ranged or melee depending on the attacks/classes with utility spells. Non-Force users will have ranged and melee depending on the attacks/classes with utility spells. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:19 Simiard wrote: I don't see it being that difficult to strike a balance. If you look purely from a game play standpoint it's really no different than balancing any class in any MMO. Force users will have ranged or melee depending on the attacks/classes with utility spells. Non-Force users will have ranged and melee depending on the attacks/classes with utility spells. Very true, but if this game is as story focused as it claims, having Jedi Masters being able to be beaten by some random Smuggler seems kind of out of whack. Or some master Sith being beaten by a Republic Trooper. It just seems out of whack. I know it CAN be balanced, but it would make no sense if it was balanced 100% perfectly and would completely go against their story-based deal. It should be Jedi's are extremely powerful, but other non-force classes have means to get around fast or more forms of CC or Snares. | ||
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_PulSe_
United States541 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:23 Fruscainte wrote: Very true, but if this game is as story focused as it claims, having Jedi Masters being able to be beaten by some random Smuggler seems kind of out of whack. Or some master Sith being beaten by a Republic Trooper. It just seems out of whack. I know it CAN be balanced, but it would make no sense if it was balanced 100% perfectly and would completely go against their story-based deal. It should be Jedi's are extremely powerful, but other non-force classes have means to get around fast or more forms of CC or Snares. Well when you compare a Jedi Master to some random smuggler than yea it may seem strange. However, if your player character is going to be nearly jedi master level by the end-game than the non force users, say bounty hunters, are going to be on Jango Fett and Boba Fetts levels. In the EU of star wars they both took down jedi in their own right. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:44 _PulSe_ wrote: Well when you compare a Jedi Master to some random smuggler than yea it may seem strange. However, if your player character is going to be nearly jedi master level by the end-game than the non force users, say bounty hunters, are going to be on Jango Fett and Boba Fetts levels. In the EU of star wars they both took down jedi in their own right. True, but not everyone can be a Jango Fett or whatever. Just saying it feels weird that Smugglers and Troopers will be taking down these super hardcore jedi's or whatever. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:23 Fruscainte wrote: Very true, but if this game is as story focused as it claims, having Jedi Masters being able to be beaten by some random Smuggler seems kind of out of whack. Or some master Sith being beaten by a Republic Trooper. It just seems out of whack. I know it CAN be balanced, but it would make no sense if it was balanced 100% perfectly and would completely go against their story-based deal. It should be Jedi's are extremely powerful, but other non-force classes have means to get around fast or more forms of CC or Snares. You aren't playing some super Jedi. Slow down. Jedi Masters were taken out by Clone Troopers...so yeah. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 09 2011 12:50 Judicator wrote: You aren't playing some super Jedi. Slow down. Jedi Masters were taken out by Clone Troopers...so yeah. Clone Troopers.... Thousands of years before the Star Wars movies.... I don't even LIKE this game and I know more about it than you do. Come on bro. | ||
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Isaac
United States810 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:03 Isaac wrote: I think hes saying the clone troopers in sw ep2 took out the jedi masters in ep2. Yes, I know the clone troopers in ep2 took out the jedi masters in ep2. Good thing this game is set thousands of years before that and is completely irrelevant to whether or not Jedi Masters exist or not. Which, by the way, they do because this game is taking place just as the Sith return from a few hundred years of having a slumber party with each other and are now invading the Republic worlds and whatnot. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:03 Isaac wrote: I think hes saying the clone troopers in sw ep2 took out the jedi masters in ep2. Oh dear god for the sake of all humanity let's not bring up those movies. | ||
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Aflixion
United States191 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:08 Aflixion wrote: I seem to remember from their earlier (1-2 years ago) interviews about story and balance that the non-Force-users are supposed to be the absolute top-of-the-line whereas the Jedi and Sith are supposed to be just your average Jedi/Sith (due to the overabundance of Jedi in this time period). I'll see if I can dig up that interview. Now that would make a little more sense. | ||
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Aflixion
United States191 Posts
http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/video-documentary-4 Although it seems to be contradicted by the info in this (more recent) interview: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=187746 | ||
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Hyst3ria
United States167 Posts
On June 09 2011 11:03 Wocks wrote: Just got into beta currently installing you don't know how happy i am right now :D Either the best troll or the luckiest guy alive. Tell us how it is. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 09 2011 13:56 Hyst3ria wrote: Either the best troll or the luckiest guy alive. Tell us how it is. he probably did, I got into it in november? and got to play the bounty hunter and stuff, was pretty buggy but I had a blast even though i don't plan on playing the bounty hunter at all. I hope i get in again and get to play at a jedi or sith or something :D | ||
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PrideNeverDie
United States319 Posts
he thinks every game developer and company should conform to his opinions on what a game should look like. he is mad because GW2 fits his ideals and he wants any game that differs from it like SW:TOR to fail. | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
On June 09 2011 09:35 Fruscainte wrote: Starting off with ad hominem and then talking about maturity in debates is the purest form of hypocrisy out there. Classic. So starting with one is being a hypocrite but ending all your sentences with one wasn't, or do I need to quote all your gratuitous insults? Also in what you posted the guy didn't argue that he shouldn't have been banned, he's just arguing that the punishment might not have fit the crime, and he's actually complaining that he lost access to the game he was bashing and that he possibly just lost that one game. Not 4-5 other Bioware games like you claimed. He even admits that he should have at least been suspended. Without his original post, I can only assume that if he admits he should have been forum banned, it wasn't calm/polite criticism. He probably could get the game/money back if he swallowed his pride and called some customer service reps and argued/begged enough. You've had 4 HDD wipes since February? (Just a question not going further with this) Come up with replies that consist more of "You're wrong" or "Are you 13 or something?" or making an eloquent, but useless post calling me a troll and maybe we can have an intelligent discussion. I'm more than willing to accept this game is good if you can provide actual evidence and reasoning for it. The question is, are you willing to accept this game might not be as good as you think it is? Because I've watched 5+ hours of leaked gameplay and, for now, my opinion is set on the latter. Hey man, if you don't want people thinking you're some troll, start by not calling them Dense and Idiots for not agreeing with your points. Usually a good start. stop arguing with Fruscainte he thinks every game developer and company should conform to his opinions on what a game should look like. he is mad because GW2 fits his ideals and he wants any game that differs from it like SW:TOR to fail. Ya sorry <.<. Well it's out of my system now. | ||
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