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Michael Phelps is NOT overrated - Page 13
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Poeta
Peru278 Posts
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
On August 19 2008 10:57 likeaboss wrote: Lol@pic.... hes pretty amazing i think some other atheletes could get close to this ammount if there were more races they competed in, that jamacian who won the 100 meter sprint........ wow........ he set a record and let up to celebrate with like 15 meters left. You mean the incredible Usain "Lighting" Bolt. Not sure on spelling of his first name. | ||
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
I know, and I dont mean to say that my suggestion is in any way unique. Maybe a swimming decathalon is a bad title for what I'm thinking. How about "aquatic decathalon"? The point was to have a preset swimming regimen for those so inclined, say ranging from 50 meter swims to 800 meters, which would include all varieties of strokes and also include medleys. How about 50 meter freestyle, 100 meter freestyle and medleys of 1500 meters? (blah the more I type it out the sillier it seems. how fucking boring would it be to do all that and earn only one medal? Maybe adding a diving routine would also be neat. whatever I'm rambling. ) | ||
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berated-
United States1134 Posts
On August 19 2008 11:01 Jonoman92 wrote: You mean the incredible Usain "Lighting" Bolt. Not sure on spelling of his first name. You mean... the great "Lightning" Bolt that set the WR . . . with his shoes untied ![[image loading]](http://www.wesay.com/ShowImage.aspx?img=36730779-39df-444c-909b-8d6ba3c08ca2.jpg&lev=9&w=636) | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On August 19 2008 11:03 fig_newbie wrote: I know, and I dont mean to say that my suggestion is in any way unique. Maybe a swimming decathalon is a bad title for what I'm thinking. How about "aquatic decathalon"? The point was to have a preset swimming regimen for those so inclined, say ranging from 50 meter swims to 800 meters, which would include all varieties of strokes and also include medleys. How about 50 meter freestyle, 100 meter freestyle and medleys of 1500 meters? (blah the more I type it out the sillier it seems. how fucking boring would it be to do all that and earn only one medal? Maybe adding a diving routine would also be neat. whatever I'm rambling. ) The 200 IM and the 400 IM require you do to every stroke. If I remember correctly, the original point behind the decathlon was that you were supposed to compete in the same skills that a soldier would use in world war I. You can almost see that in the events, and you can see how that would be useful. There is no real equal to that in swimming because historically you only need to compete in a single event (and not 5 events strung together). | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
is there like a porn olympics or something? I would be surprised if there wasn't | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
On August 19 2008 12:25 BlackJack wrote: Or instead of simplifying Track and Swimming, we can make it more "fair" by adding other events for other sports. Let's have a slam dunk contest for a gold medal. Or a 3 point shootout for a gold medal. Why does Phelps get 8 when Kobe can't even get 2? Kobe is ten times the athlete Phelps could ever dream to be and he probably trains ten times as much too WHAT? And you came to this conclusion by closely reviewing both their training regimes? Friend, swimmers swim several hours a day EVERY day... they also do it for a sport that gives very little reward for the effort (unless you're a Thorpe or a Phelps)... Kobe doesn't have HALF the drive and determination that Phelps does. So, you're saying Kobe would win more medals if, say, there was a slam dunk contest? 2008 (New Orleans) - Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic 2007 (Las Vegas) - Gerald Green, Boston Celtics 2006 (Houston) - Nate Robinson, New York Knicks 2005 (Denver) - Josh Smith, Atlanta Hawks 2004 (Los Angeles) - Fred Jones, Indiana Pacers 2003 (Atlanta) - Jason Richardson, Golden State Warriors .............. awwww... looks like Kobe WOULDN'T be getting gold. Why? He's doesn't have the best slam dunk.. nor the best 3 point shot.. nor... wait.. NOR IS HE ONE PLAYER! He is one of many... OH THAT'S RIGHT... He plays a TEAM sport... and even if he did play shit he'd still get a medal... is that fair? Is it fair that Michael Phelps should train 4 years all day every day and get a silver and some bench warmer for the U.S.A. team should get a gold just for being selected? You see my point.... there's a distinct difference between what Phelps does and what Kobe does.. distinct and cavernous difference! P.S. Kobe is a brilliant player | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
On August 19 2008 10:46 Poeta wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3856/60923434cx9.jpg) Firts win of Michael Phelps Regarts  Rofl | ||
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
On August 19 2008 11:34 waterdragon wrote: The 200 IM and the 400 IM require you do to every stroke. If I remember correctly, the original point behind the decathlon was that you were supposed to compete in the same skills that a soldier would use in world war I. You can almost see that in the events, and you can see how that would be useful. There is no real equal to that in swimming because historically you only need to compete in a single event (and not 5 events strung together). Im wording this little nugget of an idea very poorly so I'll try to explain it better. The events wouldnt need to be strung together in one sitting necessarily - theres no reason not to have them over the course of two days. The purpose would be to see who has the best balance of aquatic disciplines, from strokes to endurance to raw speed and agility, similar to how a decathalete goes through different disciplines of track events (100 and mile etc). I cant really see how it would be feasible to have this amalgam in modern times though - I dont think too many peopel would be interested in participating in it anyways. Also, I have no clue how you got the idea that decathalons were based on WWI soldier skill sets. It predates WWI.. | ||
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Kad3Ch
Lithuania26 Posts
Andrei Aramnau of Belarus has broken three world records on the way to winning the men's 105kg weightlifting gold medal at the Beijing Olympics. The 20-year-old world champion reset all records in the weight class with a snatch lift of 200kg, a clean and jerk effort of 236kg, and a total lift of 436kg. Former world champion Dmitry Klokov of Russia won the silver medal with a total effort of 420kg. A second Russian, Dmitry Lapikov, also lifted 420kg but got the bronze medal because he is heavier than Klokov. This guy is also incredible. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On August 19 2008 12:47 MaZza[KIS] wrote:WHAT? And you came to this conclusion by closely reviewing both their training regimes? Friend, swimmers swim several hours a day EVERY day... they also do it for a sport that gives very little reward for the effort (unless you're a Thorpe or a Phelps)... Kobe doesn't have HALF the drive and determination that Phelps does. So, you're saying Kobe would win more medals if, say, there was a slam dunk contest? 2008 (New Orleans) - Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic 2007 (Las Vegas) - Gerald Green, Boston Celtics 2006 (Houston) - Nate Robinson, New York Knicks 2005 (Denver) - Josh Smith, Atlanta Hawks 2004 (Los Angeles) - Fred Jones, Indiana Pacers 2003 (Atlanta) - Jason Richardson, Golden State Warriors .............. awwww... looks like Kobe WOULDN'T be getting gold. Why? He's doesn't have the best slam dunk.. nor the best 3 point shot.. nor... wait.. NOR IS HE ONE PLAYER! He is one of many... OH THAT'S RIGHT... He plays a TEAM sport... and even if he did play shit he'd still get a medal... is that fair? Is it fair that Michael Phelps should train 4 years all day every day and get a silver and some bench warmer for the U.S.A. team should get a gold just for being selected? You see my point.... there's a distinct difference between what Phelps does and what Kobe does.. distinct and cavernous difference! P.S. Kobe is a brilliant player I don't agree that Kobe is necessarily a better athlete or trains harder than Phelps, but your arguments aren't very convincing either. Listing the previous winners of the slam dunk contest is useless because Kobe wasn't even competing in them. The NBA doesn't take the best players in the league and let them all compete in the dunk contest, if anything they've recently trended towards letting lesser-known players participate so that they can build a name for themselves. DHow was the closest thing to an established player participating in the dunk contest in the past few years, and he only did it to make a point about big men being able to dunk creatively. It is very likely that Kobe would win a dunk contest if he were to compete, as he did in the only year he did participate. The argument about Kobe not being as impressive because he plays a team sport is also a poor one. Three of Phelps' gold medals were from medleys, in which he competed as part of a team. In his second relay, it's quite arguable that it was Lezak who won it for the US, not Phelps. With Kobe, it is widely acknowledged by players, coaches, experts, etc. that Kobe is the best individual basketball talent in the world right now. Whether it's a team sport or not, that doesn't change the fact that Kobe is, from top to bottom, the best player in a league filled with some of the greatest athletes on the planet. Kobe hasn't ridden on the coat tails of any of his teammates, and in fact has carried many teams on his back farther than they could ever have gone without him simply because his enormous talent can make up a lot of ground. There is nothing to suggest that Kobe is less impressive as an athlete simply because he plays a more team-oriented sport than Phelps. In the end, arguing that Kobe doesn't have half the drive and determination as Phelps is going too far. Like I said, I don't think that we can say definitively that Kobe is a better athlete or trains harder than Phelps, but neither can we say that Phelps definitely a better athlete or trains harder than Kobe. Both are incredible athletes who work harder than any of their competitors, and have experienced great success because of their natural gifts and their work ethic which allows them to realize the full potential of those gifts. Let's not take anything away from either. P.S. I should just let it go now, but I have to toss in one thought. I think an argument can be made that Kobe is a better overall athlete than Phelps. I think if you had both of them compete against each other in a variety of sports and competitions, that Kobe would win more than Phelps. Part of this is because Phelps' physical gifts that make him such an amazing swimmer, actually make him a rather awkward person on land. His disproportionately long torso and short legs, combined with his freakishly long arms, make for a very awkward body to try to put through any other type of competition. Phelps himself has said that he feels uncomfortable and awkward out of the water. Kobe doesn't have that problem, and has a body fully capable of competing in just about any sport. What may hammer the point home is that I think it's pretty obvious that if both trained seriously in each other's sports, Kobe would swim better than Phelps would play basketball. | ||
Mynock
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While we're on the matter; F1 pilots have the best trained all-round physique, and it could be argued that their endurance, power and concentration would make them the best athletes overall. | ||
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Telemako
Spain1637 Posts
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theonemephisto
United States409 Posts
On August 19 2008 17:13 XaI)CyRiC wrote:In the end, arguing that Kobe doesn't have half the drive and determination as Phelps is going too far. Like I said, I don't think that we can say definitively that Kobe is a better athlete or trains harder than Phelps, but neither can we say that Phelps definitely a better athlete or trains harder than Kobe. Both are incredible athletes who work harder than any of their competitors, and have experienced great success because of their natural gifts and their work ethic which allows them to realize the full potential of those gifts. Let's not take anything away from either. P.S. I should just let it go now, but I have to toss in one thought. I think an argument can be made that Kobe is a better overall athlete than Phelps. I think if you had both of them compete against each other in a variety of sports and competitions, that Kobe would win more than Phelps. Part of this is because Phelps' physical gifts that make him such an amazing swimmer, actually make him a rather awkward person on land. His disproportionately long torso and short legs, combined with his freakishly long arms, make for a very awkward body to try to put through any other type of competition. Phelps himself has said that he feels uncomfortable and awkward out of the water. Kobe doesn't have that problem, and has a body fully capable of competing in just about any sport. What may hammer the point home is that I think it's pretty obvious that if both trained seriously in each other's sports, Kobe would swim better than Phelps would play basketball. Phelps has a ridiculous training regimen. I don't know about Kobe's, but I really doubt that you could say that anyone trains harder. He's been training something like 5-6 hours a day, every day for 4 years for these Olympics, and he practically never ever takes a day off. And unfortunately, no one cares how good they are at a bunch of sports, they care about how well they excel in the sport that they play. Phelps has achieved a level of dominance in swimming that Kobe (and pretty much every other athlete competing) can only dream of. There are races that Phelps hasn't lost in 5-7 years. He just dominated the competition at the Olympics while swimming a schedule three times as difficult and as long than any other competitor. He broke 7 world records, and they were all already his own. He freaking beat Thorpe's time (BTW, best freestyler ever hands down) in the 200 free. He also won 7 golds at 2007 worlds, and he only didn't get 8 because a teammate false started a relay. He also set an American record in the 400 free relay (though it was broken later). He's achieved so much of a dominance that every single person in the field knows that when he swims, it's simply going to be a race for second (with few event exceptions, and maybe for Lockte in full form in the IMs). There simply isn't any chance for anyone else. | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
Apparently he actually came second and didn't get the record. http://www.001ofasecond.com/ | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
the serbian team looked at frame by frame evidence down to the 0.001 seconds and he clearly got out touched according to what they saw, if they didn't agree they would have filed a protest | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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