EPTAnd as always, f0rest (fnatic) and neo (mym) are very fun to watch. However, f0rest's style is very unique and difficult to emulate. Carn (fnatic) plays more standard, yet very smart, and is probably better watch to master the basics.
CS 1.6 Demos - Page 2
| Forum Index > General Games |
|
zgl
United States1055 Posts
And as always, f0rest (fnatic) and neo (mym) are very fun to watch. However, f0rest's style is very unique and difficult to emulate. Carn (fnatic) plays more standard, yet very smart, and is probably better watch to master the basics. | ||
GTR
51451 Posts
| ||
|
zgl
United States1055 Posts
In general, current teams play more aggressive and faster than they did back then. Most teams will play 1-2 aggressive CT rounds to mix it up. For example, on inferno, smoke mid, and hide alt+window or flash and crush alt+window. Watch nuke demos from 2005 and compare with nuke demos now, huge change in playstyle. And oh yeah, don't forget Mibr. | ||
|
Klapdout
United States282 Posts
On July 22 2008 06:42 LumberJack wrote: people still play cs 1.6? wow... i played it competitively for 3yrs, went a cpl and 22lans, i just assumed it died... Maybe i should hop on for shits and giggles I don't know how the competitive scene is doing for cs as I haven't played it competitively in ~4 years. but its still the most played fps game, css being second | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 22 2008 15:35 GTR-2-Go wrote: it seems one of my favourite players is Storm, he plays B on D2 sooooo well. who else would be probably good to watch? Storm is a good player to follow, particularly because his aim wasn't as good as most other CPL level players. And again, try playing Q3 to brush up on your aim. I don't know how the competitive scene is doing for cs as I haven't played it competitively in ~4 years. but its still the most played fps game, css being second CS:S is actually a far second. When you look at their total player counts on Steam, CS:S includes bot numbers. | ||
|
boss420
Cyprus109 Posts
| ||
|
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
And I don't mean of the entire CPL obviously, I mean that upper echelon of CAL-i that actually had a chance to win CPL. I am/was definitely not in that group. | ||
|
EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
| ||
|
TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
On July 23 2008 06:32 EleanorRIgby wrote: lol storm doesn't have good aim.... lol l2read, he never said that storm "doesn't have good aim," he said that storm's aim isn't AS GOOD as some of the other top top players (and i actually agree with him here). | ||
|
EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
Look at storms frags NONE are sprays. | ||
|
Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
CS 1.6 is probably one the most gear-dependant games out there. This is basicly what you MUST have in order to reach the top level: 100hz screen (CRT) A good mouse headset with good mic A good mousepad A decent comp(to handle all the smokes) A good internet connection (Lag affects gameplay so much more in 1.6 compared to other games) The screen part can be skipped.. but it will only take you so far.. i played TFT most of my time, which was from 1.3-1.6 and it definantly set some limitations as far as smoothness of the actual game and recoil pattern being random. There's a vast difference between 100hz and 75hz screen in CS. Beginners will not notice this, but experienced players will. Also, commands are crucial to get the most out of the engine and the game itself. Here are the most usefull ones: Sets up rates for online play: Rate 20000 cl_updaterate 100 cl_cmdrate 100 ex_interp 0.01 - The default value of this is 0.1 but that is not optimal for gameplay. ex_interp is directly connected with the cl_updaterate command, and will set it self to match that value. What interp does is that it controls how the characters look to the players when they move and where and how often the hitboxes update themselves to be correct. 0.1 = a bit nicer, more smooth movement, hitboxes are less exact 0.01 = not as smooth but hitboxes follow correctly and are exact. Fps: fps_max 101 Other: To show your fps/loss/chose info: Net_graph 3, to change position of it: Net_graphpos 1-3 | ||
|
CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On July 22 2008 01:41 GunsofthePatriots wrote: Steps: 1. Get a good wired internet connection (T3 would be nice) with a gaming router hopefully counter-strike has it's ports forwarded 2. Great gaming rig with soaring FPS (200+ preferablly and that is easily done with a good dual core and an 8800 gt.) 3. Great gaming mouse i recommend the G9 for these FPS games http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104079 4. Claw hand position (look it up online) 5. Great mousepad 6. Very responsive monitor 7. and a lot of spare time i guess most of these things will just give you big advantages over your opponent at home I totally agree. 1. You can find extra-responsive low latency LAN cards too for totally reasonable prices like $200, to go well with your $500/month fiber optic connection. 2. I tweaked my Q3 so that it always runs at 500+ fps. Otherwise it's basically unplayable. Same goes for CS. If it ever drops below 100 (like going 99 for a split second), you need to add some more video cards or at least drop all settings until everything looks like it's made of stacked boxes. Pros do that all the time. It's the ONLY way to roll in style. 3. Again, buy whichever is proer at the time. If you have the G9 and something insignificantly better comes along, you HAVE to throw your mouse away and get the new one. Can't let the competition get the best of you. 4. Also agreed, uncomfortable hand positions are the best. Whatever makes your hand feel like it's gonna get paralyzed, THAT's how you should use it. I've seen some russian gamers use their mouse sideways (no joke). 5. Anything over $50 will do. If you can't find anything over $50 just use a mirror or plain glass (mirror is better). 6. 2ms response time is A MUST. You can't just be waiting for your screen to change pixel coloring in 4ms, you'd be long dead by then. Long dead. Long. Dead. 7. Just stop hanging out with friends and/or girls, or studying and exercising, and you'll find that you have plenty of time left. Seriously though, look for replays of finals from different events like WCG, ESWC with teams like eMg, noa, SK, mym, Emulate, etc. There are bound to be replays somewhere. Youtube videos are usually crap, unless they're taken from serious games/tournaments. Take that solo guy for instance, his aim is pretty sick but there are some situations where the opponents are simply retarded. Not to mention that I have friends who are faster with the artic than he is. You can see his scope that's just newbish (lulz). | ||
|
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Why don't you watch Underground 1/2/3? No namers getting all ridiculous headshots. You'd think from watching that that they'd all have ridiculous aim, but they don't. The truth is everyone is capable of hitting those shots and the difference is the consistency at which they hit them. Zet, Warden, Sal, Method and a handful of other American players (zet at least played here) are at the top level. I'd even throw early Ksharp in that mix, I'm not sure how his stuff is in Source. Then there's other players who can show flashes of brilliance, like Storm, enigma, Mr. Keith Finklestein, elude and others. EDIT: So I actually did watch the movie and Storm is doing exactly what I'm talking about. He's got great spray (even great for CAL-i) and he's aiming at the upper chest and then using recoil control. But he's not going straight after heads, except in the pistol kills. You'll also notice that a lot of his nicer kills are against the cup cakes they faced. Aiming is easier when your opponents are worse, and it becomes a lot more difficult when you're playing a team like coL that can simply outreact you or know how to disrupt you. His highlights get fewer and fewer against top teams. Storm is one of those glue guys that makes the team better, but on raw talent alone he's on the bottom of their super impressive lineup. BTW I first played him when he was in AGENT and I thought they were all fucking cheaters. :x | ||
|
Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On July 23 2008 10:23 Jibba wrote: You're posting a shitty low quality (I have the real version) frag movie to prove your point? Why don't you watch Underground 1/2/3? No namers getting all ridiculous headshots. You'd think from watching that that they'd all have ridiculous aim, but they don't. The truth is everyone is capable of hitting those shots and the difference is the consistency at which they hit them. Zet, Warden, Sal, Method and a handful of other American players (zet at least played here) on at the top level. I'd even throw early Ksharp in that mix, I'm not sure how his stuff is in Source. Then there's other players who can show flashes of brilliance, like Storm, enigma, Mr. Keith Finklestein and others. That is not really the truth, CS 1.6 is alot about who you face, what team is on the other side. I've seen the Underground videos and i can say that most of those frags are made on players that are simply not good at the game. They have slow reflexes and they run bombsites like confused chickens, they lack aim and they lack game knowledge. Very few can even make a headshot vs ANY of the toplayers of cs 1.6 today, like players from SK, Fnatic, mTw, mibr.. you name it. The skill difference is just way too big. | ||
|
Reflex
Canada703 Posts
| ||
|
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Turn off vertical sync by going into your graphics card utility. I heard that helps. It helps with FPS issues, but I see no reason why a modern rig wouldn't be able to sit in the middle of 10 smokes with Vsync on and get 100fps.And again, those technical things aren't a must. They're nice and some players demand them for psychological bullshit, but you can adjust in most online settings without perfect fps/ping/mouse. It's like buying new shoes for pickup basketball. | ||
|
Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
It's like sc you don't have to be A+ to tell the difference between players if you follow it enough. It's like saying Fakesteve shouldn't be allowed to to power rank because his skill level is insufficient. Storm is good at clutching 1vX situations. He's not known for his aim. Zet's aim is fucking ridiculous and as much as I hate warden he has really high percentage to hit his entry shots. Frod is just frod, arguably the player with the most impact [ all back when they played 1.6 ] Storm has a pretty nice USP, that's about the only weapon that he's able to keep up with I'd say. I mean honestly if you look at old spawn, potti, tentpole, f0rest, enemy, solo, archi [ the real one who played on eyeballers ] you can't say storm kept up consistently with that kind of aim. Storm was compared a lot to rambo, and again rambo is known for outsmarting and clutching, checking every angle and spot not for ridiculous aim. Whenever I play a game seriously I usually find out about it's ' pro scene ' and read about it in-depth whenever I'm not playing the game itself or try to improve my own game by watching replays. CS was really fun always played with irl friends. Anyway topic is kinda getting derailed but 1.6 is actually a game harder to run than most say it is. Especially now because of all the ads and bloatware shit they added. GTR, if you really wanna improve your game the best way is to play with people way better than you that you know 100% aren't hackers and ask them questions. Most people are glad to help and any honest cs player won't mind running around in a empty server teaching you spots and angles. Back when I was learning to play I felt that improved my game a lot more than watching demos. If you watch lots of frag movies [ I used to have 14 gb of cs frag movies lol ] make sure you watch good ones and the clips that show set up to frags. It's more important to understand why the frag happened [ reaction, angle set up, camp, team effort ] then just appreciate the frag. You also pick up some tricks that you wouldn't see in demos because usually demos are match situations where players either go crazy aggressive and die/get great opportunities or play super safe and check everything with no risk. Demos are great if you wanna learn to clutch, however. | ||
|
eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On July 23 2008 10:23 Jibba wrote: BTW I first played him when he was in AGENT and I thought they were all fucking cheaters. :x LOL Back when I played CS competitively, I met storm when he was in AGENT , and thought he hacked his balls off too haha. My brother and him chatted for a month or so, and scrimmed together, but thats about it. My brother was actually a really good cs player during 1.3-1.5-1.6. I was uber jealous lol  | ||
|
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
| ||
|
SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On July 23 2008 11:27 eXigent. wrote: LOL Back when I played CS competitively, I met storm when he was in AGENT , and thought he hacked his balls off too haha. +1 | ||
| ||
