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On July 21 2008 06:44 GTR-2-Go wrote:Is an Articuno with Mind Reader and Sheer Cold really imba?
Slightly, yes :p
One of the best combinations I saw was an Arcanine with a White Herb as its item. White Herb restores lost stats, so the Arcanine can get off two fully powered Overheats. I thought that was a good idea
There's also the ever effective Rest + Chesto Berry.
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On July 21 2008 02:04 tracer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2008 01:19 Atrioc wrote:poor noob already said it, but yes go to www.smogon.com and test your teams out on shoddy battle because EV training them and such on diamond and pearl is a huge hell so you need to have it planned out before hand. I hear Pokesav works wonders. You know, for those of us too weak to handle cruelties of the Pokemon world.
yeah i've traded for some pokesav pokemon (for example a Blissey with seismic toss, since I dont have emerald and Blissey is almost 100% required for tournament play), but since I would have to pay $40 to get an actionreplay in order to use pokesav, i just train most of my guys up manually. With the EV-boosting items it doesnt take very long.
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Man, with all this hardcore pokemon talk I feel like a complete newb. I've never actually played Pokemon other than on an emulator or EV trained or any of that stuff. But kudos for the tips.
On a completely different note, is it just me or does Kingdra kick total ass with no weaknesses?
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Kingdra has a very limited move pool, but it is an awesome pokemon - one of my favorites.
Can be kinda hard to use really effectively though.
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rain dance kingdra with swift swim is pretty fucking good if you can build a team around it
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On July 21 2008 06:44 GTR-2-Go wrote:Is an Articuno with Mind Reader and Sheer Cold really imba? Most people play with OHKO clauses
I like resttalk pokemon though, trying to train up a Resttalk garchomp
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On July 21 2008 07:14 Jyvblamo wrote: Man, with all this hardcore pokemon talk I feel like a complete newb. I've never actually played Pokemon other than on an emulator or EV trained or any of that stuff. But kudos for the tips.
On a completely different note, is it just me or does Kingdra kick total ass with no weaknesses?
You aren't the only one that feels like a newb. I didn't know hardly anything about the games until I started playing emerald 386. I didn't know the game was this deep. I'm pretty impressed.
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ShallowBay, I have another question: In Emerald 386, is our list actually right when it says that Kadabra/Haunter/Graveler/Machoke evolve into their respective evolutions through leveling up?
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On July 21 2008 08:35 TarsTarkas wrote: ShallowBay, I have another question: In Emerald 386, is our list actually right when it says that Kadabra/Haunter/Graveler/Machoke evolve into their respective evolutions through leveling up?
In all honesty I'm not sure. I just leveled my Graveler to 35 to check and it didn't evolve, but it might just evolve at a different level, or with the help of a Stone.
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My Kadabra evolved into Alakazam at level 40, so at least that pokemon can evolve in 386.
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On July 21 2008 08:04 tulleh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2008 06:44 GTR-2-Go wrote:Is an Articuno with Mind Reader and Sheer Cold really imba? Most people play with OHKO clauses I like resttalk pokemon though, trying to train up a Resttalk garchomp aren't there also other clauses, like you can't have more than two of the same pokemon in one team, and that you can't put more than one of your opponents pokemon to sleep? Oh, and Uber tier pokemon are usually banned right (for tournaments)? Can someone list all the "standard clauses and rules?
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On July 21 2008 10:01 crazie-penguin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2008 08:04 tulleh wrote:On July 21 2008 06:44 GTR-2-Go wrote:Is an Articuno with Mind Reader and Sheer Cold really imba? Most people play with OHKO clauses I like resttalk pokemon though, trying to train up a Resttalk garchomp aren't there also other clauses, like you can't have more than two of the same pokemon in one team, and that you can't put more than one of your opponents pokemon to sleep? Oh, and Uber tier pokemon are usually banned right (for tournaments)? Can someone list all the "standard clauses and rules?
Well, you do have "tiers" over on Smogon. One of the tiers is "ubers."
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On July 21 2008 06:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2008 06:18 Umbrella wrote:On July 21 2008 05:35 TarsTarkas wrote:On July 21 2008 05:00 Umbrella wrote: Yes ice beam does counter dragons but would any decent player let their dragon get ice beamed? Most likely they will switch out to something that will take ice beam or they switch their dragon into something that can't do crap against them. When they do switch in, either you switch out to your dragon counter and let your switch in take loads of damage, or you still stay in and get killed. Most ice beam users are slower than dragons as well so this makes it incredibly hard.
Now that dragon moves can by physical, most garchomps pack dragon claw/earthquake/fire fang or fire blast (depending if you are more scared of bronzong or skarmory) and some other random move. Nothing resists the dragon/fire combo other than heatran and that gets killed by earthquake.
These are good points, but the switching tactic definitely has faults. For example, I sent a Cloyster out to counter your Dragonite. I know you will switch, so instead of using Ice Beam, I put down a layer of spikes. Switching just got a whole lot less fun, didn't it? Or what if I send out something that doesn't obviously have an ice move? For example, I could use Alakazam or Gengar, both can learn Ice Punch and have awesome special attack and speed. I've never played the newest games, but in my experience, Dragons are not difficult to counter - they just scew you over if you are unprepared. Fortunately, there are lots of ways to beat them other than using Ice. Well they are much harder to counter now :X they were much easier since they had no real good stab but now that they have physical dragon stab, it's much harder to switch in. Your cloyster example is good but not many pokemon can switch in anymore. How would you switch in alakazam or gengar on a dragon? Or why would they switch a dragon in on alakazam or gengar? <_< I hope you mean hidden power ice since ice punch is physical now. And even if you manage to switch in them, it would be pretty obvious you had an ice move since you switched in on a dragon. In ruby/sapphire they couldn't 2HKO many things but now they can. Man, wouldn't you be pissed if I randomly switched in a Pinsir and Guillotined your Dragonite :p
I hope you aren't serious. I was referring to garchomp but dragonite can OHKO pinsir with outrage so I would not switch in to one.
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On July 21 2008 11:10 Umbrella wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2008 06:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On July 21 2008 06:18 Umbrella wrote:On July 21 2008 05:35 TarsTarkas wrote:On July 21 2008 05:00 Umbrella wrote: Yes ice beam does counter dragons but would any decent player let their dragon get ice beamed? Most likely they will switch out to something that will take ice beam or they switch their dragon into something that can't do crap against them. When they do switch in, either you switch out to your dragon counter and let your switch in take loads of damage, or you still stay in and get killed. Most ice beam users are slower than dragons as well so this makes it incredibly hard.
Now that dragon moves can by physical, most garchomps pack dragon claw/earthquake/fire fang or fire blast (depending if you are more scared of bronzong or skarmory) and some other random move. Nothing resists the dragon/fire combo other than heatran and that gets killed by earthquake.
These are good points, but the switching tactic definitely has faults. For example, I sent a Cloyster out to counter your Dragonite. I know you will switch, so instead of using Ice Beam, I put down a layer of spikes. Switching just got a whole lot less fun, didn't it? Or what if I send out something that doesn't obviously have an ice move? For example, I could use Alakazam or Gengar, both can learn Ice Punch and have awesome special attack and speed. I've never played the newest games, but in my experience, Dragons are not difficult to counter - they just scew you over if you are unprepared. Fortunately, there are lots of ways to beat them other than using Ice. Well they are much harder to counter now :X they were much easier since they had no real good stab but now that they have physical dragon stab, it's much harder to switch in. Your cloyster example is good but not many pokemon can switch in anymore. How would you switch in alakazam or gengar on a dragon? Or why would they switch a dragon in on alakazam or gengar? <_< I hope you mean hidden power ice since ice punch is physical now. And even if you manage to switch in them, it would be pretty obvious you had an ice move since you switched in on a dragon. In ruby/sapphire they couldn't 2HKO many things but now they can. Man, wouldn't you be pissed if I randomly switched in a Pinsir and Guillotined your Dragonite :p I hope you aren't serious. I was referring to garchomp but dragonite can OHKO pinsir with outrage so I would not switch in to one.
Pinsir is very serious business, I just couldn't think of anything else off the top of my head that can use Guillotine. + Show Spoiler +
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On July 21 2008 06:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2008 06:44 GTR-2-Go wrote:Is an Articuno with Mind Reader and Sheer Cold really imba? Slightly, yes :p One of the best combinations I saw was an Arcanine with a White Herb as its item. White Herb restores lost stats, so the Arcanine can get off two fully powered Overheats. I thought that was a good idea There's also the ever effective Rest + Chesto Berry.
Curse-passing to a White Herbed Aerodactyl used to be a pretty overused strat as well.
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After reading through this thread, I'm half tempted to go grab my Pokemon game and start a new game.
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Can you trade yourself five mewtwo's with only two game carts? I haven't tried beating the game three times in a row yet...but there's no point if the later and newer pokemons have already surpassed mewtwo's max stats. The item duplication trick and pumping your pokemon full of steroids, brings back great memories. Too bad I accidently duped my bicycle on one of my gameboy carts and moved it around my inventory slots, dammit...
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On July 21 2008 06:51 Atrioc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2008 02:04 tracer wrote:On July 21 2008 01:19 Atrioc wrote:poor noob already said it, but yes go to www.smogon.com and test your teams out on shoddy battle because EV training them and such on diamond and pearl is a huge hell so you need to have it planned out before hand. I hear Pokesav works wonders. You know, for those of us too weak to handle cruelties of the Pokemon world. yeah i've traded for some pokesav pokemon (for example a Blissey with seismic toss, since I dont have emerald and Blissey is almost 100% required for tournament play), but since I would have to pay $40 to get an actionreplay in order to use pokesav, i just train most of my guys up manually. With the EV-boosting items it doesnt take very long.
Let me know if you need anything. R4 + Pokesav = time-saver.
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I got blissey w/ Toxic DoubleTeam WaterPulse Softboil
is she any good?
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Yay TLPD shows that there's over 386 progamer ids. I'm gonna catch and name every single pokemon after a progamer. Except I've done it in lower case, and everyone else's name is in caps :< like PROF. BIRCH, MAY, ZIGZAGOON.
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