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Stegosaur
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On June 04 2008 04:09 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2008 04:06 Stegosaur wrote:
Wasn't too sure about this, asked my nephew since he's a judge and he told me it's possible to make the morphling 5/1, stack the damage, and respond by turning the morphling 0/6 before the actual damage resolves.
So yes, it's pretty imba, but then again it costs shitloads of mana as well so meh. Not, really that only 5 mana. I don't see how that works though because if the damage didn't resolve yet and you stack a 0 damage on top, then how does the 5 damage go off with the last in first out rule if they doing damage at the same time. And not only that but shoudln't the negatives be countering each pump out forcing you to pump twice as hard to 'stack' it?
Yeah, sorry I guess I misunderstood your question. Combat works like this.
Declare attackers > morphling attacks
Declare blockers > 5/5 creature
Here it comes:
Stack combatdamage: Creatures hit eachother for an amount of damage which is then placed on the stack.
Resolve combatdamage: Creatures receive the actual damage, and possible lethal damage.
You can respond to each of these steps, you can respond to the declare blockers step by giving your morphling +2/-2, making it 5/1, and go on to the stack combatdamage step. The damage is then administered to both creatures, who both receive 5 damage. When this happens your friend can choose to turn his morphling into 0/6, by spending 5 more mana to give it -5/+5.
If he'd spend 5 mana in the way you said, the morphling would end up 2/4, no questions asked.
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On June 04 2008 04:09 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2008 04:06 Stegosaur wrote:
Wasn't too sure about this, asked my nephew since he's a judge and he told me it's possible to make the morphling 5/1, stack the damage, and respond by turning the morphling 0/6 before the actual damage resolves.
So yes, it's pretty imba, but then again it costs shitloads of mana as well so meh. Not, really that only 5 mana. I don't see how that works though because if the damage didn't resolve yet and you stack a 0 damage on top, then how does the 5 damage go off with the last in first out rule if they doing damage at the same time. And not only that but shoudln't the negatives be countering each pump out forcing you to pump twice as hard to 'stack' it?
You're not quite understanding how the stack works with combat damage I think. Combat damage is put automatically on the stack at the start of the combat damage phase, then you both get to play spells/abilties in response. Here is your example :
Declare Blockers Step:
You block Morphling with Juzam Djinn (5/5)
You have no spells to play so you pass.
Your friend pumps morphling to 5/1. The pumps go on the stack.
You both pass and the stack resolves.
Morphling is 5/1
Combat Damage Step:
Combat damage is assigned and put on the stack. Morph and Djinn do 5 damage to each other - this damage is put on the stack.
You have no spells to play and pass.
Your friend pumps morphling to 0/6. The effect goes on the stack.
You both pass. Stack resolves on a first in, last out basis.
Stack resolving looks liks this:
Morph becomes 0/6.
Combat damage goes through. Morph does 5 damage to Djinn and survives.
This works because combat damage is put on the stack automatically at the start of the combat phase. It doesn't matter what happens to the Morphlings power afterwards because combat damage is only assigned once at the start of the phase.
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Bad news, I may or may not be able to make it for the Tournament. I have to work from 8 AM - 6 PM. However, IF* I can pirate a wireless signal from some where around my work area. I will be able to make it. So its really a huge "Maybe". We'll see... I knew this was going to happen.
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ok, that makes a bit more sense to me guys thanks. But I am still a bit confused about how much mana (pumps must be made) to do this.
You use 2 for +2/-2, then you must use 5 for the -5/+5 correct? Or does he only have to use 3 for -3/+3 ?
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On June 05 2008 04:06 CharlieMurphy wrote:
ok, that makes a bit more sense to me guys thanks. But I am still a bit confused about how much mana (pumps must be made) to do this.
You use 2 for +2/-2, then you must use 5 for the -5/+5 correct? Or does he only have to use 3 for -3/+3 ?
First one is correct, so 7 mana in total.
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Can I get in on this? Is it too late? M:TG ruled and ruined my life when I was in middle school, but now I'm all grown-up and mature.
Ok not really. I'm really not well-versed in the newer sets though, so I'll need to read up a little.
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Centric, if Krohm can't play, I'm sure you can replace him. Please create and send in a decklist before the starting date though.
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On June 05 2008 05:56 Centric wrote:
Can I get in on this? Is it too late? M:TG ruled and ruined my life when I was in middle school, but now I'm all grown-up and mature.
Ok not really. I'm really not well-versed in the newer sets though, so I'll need to read up a little.
We're not using the newer sets, so you should be ok. (Nothing past 5th dawn) If you really want to play. I will give up my spot due to the fact that I'm not sure if I can make it. I'd rather just give it to some one who is a sure thing. Hopefully I can catch the next MTG tourny if there is another.
So let me know on what you want to do.
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Eh, I haven't played since Judgement came out. I think I'll sit out this time (I have finals anyway) but if you guys do this again, I'd like to join in.
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
Already looking forward to the next tournament! Please use Legacy rules then :p
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Oh god, MTG, used to play it alot Had 2 decks, one was pure elves, second G-W discard/madnesss with Glory's protection:D lol, this game was wonderful
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Hey Artanis, I'm really sorry but I accidently double-booked. I agreed to go somewhere tomorrow and it's more important to me then the magic tournament. I'm sorry, but since I'm dropping out, it works evenly now since Krohm can't play either.
Updated Roster should be like this
Group A:
1. fgsvsd (TL.net)
2. Caller (TL.net)
3. LordWeirD (GG.net)
4. kirtar111 (TL.net)
Group B:
5. FragKrag (TL.net)
6. brambolius (GG.net)
7. Lisk (TL.net)
8. DeaTh_LT (TL.net)
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gotta know when the next tourney is i have to get in on this!
still got my old decks kick around, Grow, and ravager mere my favs by farrrr
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As you can read on page one, I didn't want to participate originally.
Lisk however convinced me to, and therefore we will be playing as + Show Spoiler +
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Don't forget people! The tourney starts in 3 and a half hours.
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I'm trying to start my game now if you're on you better join group a gogo
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could we make it bo3 now? bo2 is just un-magic-y
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Sure, let's make it bo3.
[b]To start playing, simply host a game saying "Group A" or "Group B" on the mwsgames.net network, and play a bo3 vs any of the other players in the group.
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Where do we report games?
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