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iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
March 02 2010 15:46 GMT
#15161
I wouldn't get a runed axe on magebane or chronos...but on scout and TDL(poorman's shield on her first) it's the first core item I go for, Don't play too much scout as he's not appreciated in pubs so I save him for premades
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 02 2010 15:59 GMT
#15162
In my opinion Runed Axe is core on TDL/Scout because of synergy with skills (incredible farming). It's situational on Chronos and I wouldn't take it on Magebane.
Minimal effort.
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
March 02 2010 16:03 GMT
#15163
people rush runed axe on magebane for the same reason as scout/tdl... farming.
you can clear the entire jungle + ancient camp retardedly fast using blink, which = incredibly high gpm.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
March 02 2010 16:12 GMT
#15164
On March 03 2010 00:28 iSiN wrote:
they hang out in read the first page of the thread


Read already, information given there is a lie, chans are empty when i gone in and the garena is for dota

I ask one more time for info - where are the place for hon TL games gathering
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 02 2010 16:41 GMT
#15165
One last thing to ask, showed my friend some of the responses and he said that he wasn't arguing about that at all and only that you would always want boots first before going runed, his main contention was about chronos, actually I will link part of the convo:

[16:35:21] andy: when playing the DL my point was u want boots first
[16:35:24] andy: not that its a bad item
[16:35:46] andy: for chronos u dont want runed axe at all
[16:35:52] Tom: ever?
[16:35:59] andy: there are better items
[16:36:03] Tom: always?
[16:36:08] andy: yes
[16:36:19] Tom: you are plain wrong on this as well imo

Thoughts?
Adonai bless
Pacifist
Profile Joined October 2003
Israel1683 Posts
March 02 2010 16:46 GMT
#15166
Although getting ruined axe might be a good choice, I think it is rarely correct to get it before boots.
Riding a bike is overrated.
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-02 16:51:24
March 02 2010 16:48 GMT
#15167
On March 03 2010 01:12 BrTarolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2010 00:28 iSiN wrote:
they hang out in read the first page of the thread


Read already, information given there is a lie, chans are empty when i gone in and the garena is for dota

I ask one more time for info - where are the place for hon TL games gathering

Clan five is ever empty??????? or clan scrim??????


On March 03 2010 01:41 XeliN wrote:
One last thing to ask, showed my friend some of the responses and he said that he wasn't arguing about that at all and only that you would always want boots first before going runed, his main contention was about chronos, actually I will link part of the convo:

[16:35:21] andy: when playing the DL my point was u want boots first
[16:35:24] andy: not that its a bad item
[16:35:46] andy: for chronos u dont want runed axe at all
[16:35:52] Tom: ever?
[16:35:59] andy: there are better items
[16:36:03] Tom: always?
[16:36:08] andy: yes
[16:36:19] Tom: you are plain wrong on this as well imo

Thoughts?


I go Battlefury before boots on both TDL and Scout because they have escape mechanics and TDL has a slow so she shouldn't need to be faster than her opponent assuming you have a competent babysitter. Getting a Battlefury 500g sooner literally gives you that 500g back in ~15 seconds where as 10 more CK to finish the battlefury takes a bit longer farming the lane.
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
SwaY-
Profile Joined March 2009
Dominican Republic463 Posts
March 02 2010 17:10 GMT
#15168
^Agreed. Runed Axe is tooooooo good on TDL/Scout. Decent on the others you mentioned but def def core on these 2.
Do it beautifully
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 02 2010 17:17 GMT
#15169
On March 03 2010 01:12 BrTarolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2010 00:28 iSiN wrote:
they hang out in read the first page of the thread


Read already, information given there is a lie, chans are empty when i gone in and the garena is for dota

I ask one more time for info - where are the place for hon TL games gathering


channel Clan Teamliquid on HoN.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
March 02 2010 17:25 GMT
#15170
On March 03 2010 02:17 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2010 01:12 BrTarolg wrote:
On March 03 2010 00:28 iSiN wrote:
they hang out in read the first page of the thread


Read already, information given there is a lie, chans are empty when i gone in and the garena is for dota

I ask one more time for info - where are the place for hon TL games gathering


channel Clan Teamliquid on HoN.

i'm gonna have to come find you guys sometime. pretty new to hon but i've finally gotten to the point where i'm comfortable with most of the chars and can hold my own in 1500+ games
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 02 2010 17:27 GMT
#15171
Channel's seemed rather dead the last few times I went in
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-02 17:39:37
March 02 2010 17:37 GMT
#15172
Runed Axe is so good on TDL there's no point in not making it anyway, the splash allows you to start one shotting creepwaves with dark blades + charging strike very early, and the manaregen allows you to do it again and again wherever there is farm in between jungling.

On Chronos I'd rather just stack attack speed, the manaregen doesn't help because you're not spamming skills anyway and it won't fix your pathetic manapool.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
March 02 2010 17:41 GMT
#15173
On March 03 2010 02:37 Bash wrote:
Runed Axe is so good on TDL there's no point in not making it anyway, the splash allows you to start one shotting creepwaves with dark blades + charging strike very early, and the manaregen allows you to do it again and again wherever there is farm in between jungling.

On Chronos I'd rather just stack attack speed, the manaregen doesn't help because you're not spamming skills anyway and it won't fix your pathetic manapool.

people like spending a shit ton of money on a farming item when just getting dmg and speed and a bit other stats would make you a carry faster.
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
March 02 2010 19:25 GMT
#15174
You guys should play on iCCup; there's too few Euro/American players! Garena is crap for public games.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
March 02 2010 19:27 GMT
#15175
My thoughts regarding Runed Axe:

Swiftblade: Core, but get boots (&possibly boot upgrade) after lifetube. RA makes his ult an AOE attack and the extra farm helps him out a lot.

Chronos: I only get it on Chronos if my team is having troubles killing people inside my ult... Which I usually decide after Elder Parasite (and boots). It's not a bad item on him, though.

Bloodhunter: Mock is better, but if you're having difficulty saving for Mock, RA is a serviceable replacement.

The Dark Lady: Core, get it before boots if you can. No question.

Magebane: Situational. I don't like RA on him but if you're in a teamfight where you're wacking on a Pyromancer with others nearby, then you ult, RA can be nice. My first Quadkill came this way. I'd probably get boots before finishing RA.

Scout: Core, get it before boots if you can. I'd go so far to say that Scout is almost useless in a teamfight without RA.

Madman: I don't have enough experience with Madman to come to a firm conclusion, but RA seems to have what he needs.

Armadon: Situational. RA is good on him, but you may want to prioritize tank items, ring of teacher and Mock instead.

Hammerstorm: I like RA on Hammerstorm. I wouldn't finish it before boots.... or bottle.

Keeper of the Forest: If you're going the damage route... Mock is better. But RA can work too.

Electrician: Only if you're Testie.

Jeraziah: It's funny cuz it can work. Your teammates will rage at you, but it can work.

Pandamonium: I don't like RA on him, but it's not a bad item for him. He can rush it and do fine.

All the other heroes shouldn't even consider RA, imo.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
March 02 2010 21:09 GMT
#15176
Does mock stack with Soul reapers 2nd ability? And is it entirely team/enemy dependent if I should go healing or damage? Nome/Astrolabe, or both, Astrolabe first? I was getting too much farm and we were just finishing up the game, so I also got SotM, but I don't think that it is the right choice. Do high level games ever progress to that point, or should I go with a different item build? I have a feeling all of this depends on the other heroes chosen, but mainly for a healer build - what items, and is a carry build viable?
I can already see the ending
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 02 2010 21:24 GMT
#15177
On March 03 2010 04:25 LxRogue wrote:
You guys should play on iCCup; there's too few Euro/American players! Garena is crap for public games.

pubs4stomps
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
March 02 2010 21:25 GMT
#15178
Tank SR is easily the best public build.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 02 2010 21:30 GMT
#15179
Hammerstorm: I like RA on Hammerstorm. I wouldn't finish it before boots.... or bottle.
Rofl, what?
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
March 02 2010 21:57 GMT
#15180
Just interested, are there any TL based teams that are recruiting? Ive got about 6 years experience in dota (since RoC 3.7 dota) and have been playing competetively since then, but ive only very recently started HoN
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