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On March 03 2010 04:27 Tadzio wrote:
My thoughts regarding Runed Axe:
Swiftblade: Core, but get boots (&possibly boot upgrade) after lifetube. RA makes his ult an AOE attack and the extra farm helps him out a lot.
Chronos: I only get it on Chronos if my team is having troubles killing people inside my ult... Which I usually decide after Elder Parasite (and boots). It's not a bad item on him, though.
Bloodhunter: Mock is better, but if you're having difficulty saving for Mock, RA is a serviceable replacement.
The Dark Lady: Core, get it before boots if you can. No question.
Magebane: Situational. I don't like RA on him but if you're in a teamfight where you're wacking on a Pyromancer with others nearby, then you ult, RA can be nice. My first Quadkill came this way. I'd probably get boots before finishing RA.
Scout: Core, get it before boots if you can. I'd go so far to say that Scout is almost useless in a teamfight without RA.
Madman: I don't have enough experience with Madman to come to a firm conclusion, but RA seems to have what he needs.
Armadon: Situational. RA is good on him, but you may want to prioritize tank items, ring of teacher and Mock instead.
Hammerstorm: I like RA on Hammerstorm. I wouldn't finish it before boots.... or bottle.
Keeper of the Forest: If you're going the damage route... Mock is better. But RA can work too.
Electrician: Only if you're Testie.
Jeraziah: It's funny cuz it can work. Your teammates will rage at you, but it can work.
Pandamonium: I don't like RA on him, but it's not a bad item for him. He can rush it and do fine.
All the other heroes shouldn't even consider RA, imo.
NM.. read that wrong.
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Never get runed on panda unless you're stacking it for fun.
Mana issue is solved by bottle/power supply/bracer(s). That shrunken is needed asap.
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On March 03 2010 16:48 Virtue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2010 15:58 iSiN wrote:On March 03 2010 15:41 Virtue wrote:On March 03 2010 13:14 SwaY- wrote:On March 03 2010 08:20 Tadzio wrote:
While we're talking about items, I have a question. I never, ever find a reason to get Riftshards. I don't think it's ever even entered my mind to buy it. Sooooo.... Who's it good on, and in what situations should you get it? in my humble noob opinion riftshards is never core on anyone. it shines however as a late game luxury items on heroes with steroid abilities. Dark Lady comes to mind, insane 1.2k crits very late if the game drags on can turn the tide of a battle vs other carries. But core... idk never rushed it or anything that has yielded good results. Actually i think it's great item for ranged soft carries that mainly are support andromedia comes to mind i usually go bottle, boots, 2 bracers , boots of travel, riftshards then w.e maybe a hellflower or something Who the fuck plays andromeda like a (soft)carry? Support/ganker all the way. You'd be better off with a nomes and sheep and then you can let a real carry shine  Well support ganker only works for 30 mins then all she is shit if you haven't won then so riftshards and a few more items to extend her life makes her useful again. Also why waste nomes on andro there are much more frequent casters that would prefer that item.
Sheep stick loses it's effectiveness after 30 minutes?
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On March 03 2010 08:20 Tadzio wrote:
While we're talking about items, I have a question. I never, ever find a reason to get Riftshards. I don't think it's ever even entered my mind to buy it. Sooooo.... Who's it good on, and in what situations should you get it?
I usually get it with damage dealers when I've already completed all of the most useful stuff. Shards are pretty ridiculous on lady if you already have your RA, LH and WB.
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On March 04 2010 02:33 iSiN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2010 16:48 Virtue wrote:On March 03 2010 15:58 iSiN wrote:On March 03 2010 15:41 Virtue wrote:On March 03 2010 13:14 SwaY- wrote:On March 03 2010 08:20 Tadzio wrote:
While we're talking about items, I have a question. I never, ever find a reason to get Riftshards. I don't think it's ever even entered my mind to buy it. Sooooo.... Who's it good on, and in what situations should you get it? in my humble noob opinion riftshards is never core on anyone. it shines however as a late game luxury items on heroes with steroid abilities. Dark Lady comes to mind, insane 1.2k crits very late if the game drags on can turn the tide of a battle vs other carries. But core... idk never rushed it or anything that has yielded good results. Actually i think it's great item for ranged soft carries that mainly are support andromedia comes to mind i usually go bottle, boots, 2 bracers , boots of travel, riftshards then w.e maybe a hellflower or something Who the fuck plays andromeda like a (soft)carry? Support/ganker all the way. You'd be better off with a nomes and sheep and then you can let a real carry shine Well support ganker only works for 30 mins then all she is shit if you haven't won then so riftshards and a few more items to extend her life makes her useful again. Also why waste nomes on andro there are much more frequent casters that would prefer that item. Sheep stick loses it's effectiveness after 30 minutes?
Disables never lose effectiveness, actually I would argue they can increase effectiveness as carries do more damage later and disables nullify this damage output to zero. I don't even know if my response made any sense. 
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On March 04 2010 02:58 TheMunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 02:33 iSiN wrote:On March 03 2010 16:48 Virtue wrote:On March 03 2010 15:58 iSiN wrote:On March 03 2010 15:41 Virtue wrote:On March 03 2010 13:14 SwaY- wrote:On March 03 2010 08:20 Tadzio wrote:
While we're talking about items, I have a question. I never, ever find a reason to get Riftshards. I don't think it's ever even entered my mind to buy it. Sooooo.... Who's it good on, and in what situations should you get it? in my humble noob opinion riftshards is never core on anyone. it shines however as a late game luxury items on heroes with steroid abilities. Dark Lady comes to mind, insane 1.2k crits very late if the game drags on can turn the tide of a battle vs other carries. But core... idk never rushed it or anything that has yielded good results. Actually i think it's great item for ranged soft carries that mainly are support andromedia comes to mind i usually go bottle, boots, 2 bracers , boots of travel, riftshards then w.e maybe a hellflower or something Who the fuck plays andromeda like a (soft)carry? Support/ganker all the way. You'd be better off with a nomes and sheep and then you can let a real carry shine Well support ganker only works for 30 mins then all she is shit if you haven't won then so riftshards and a few more items to extend her life makes her useful again. Also why waste nomes on andro there are much more frequent casters that would prefer that item. Sheep stick loses it's effectiveness after 30 minutes? Disables never lose effectiveness, actually I would argue they can increase effectiveness as carries do more damage later and disables nullify this damage output to zero. I don't even know if my response made any sense.
Isin was being sarcastic about how Virtue said andro could gain effectiveness with riftshards instead of a sheep stick.
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LH?
Usually I go runed-steamboots-whispering-(shrunken head)-savage/wing/charged.
Rift is definitely nice on her though...
There are so many items you should get on Andro before rift assuming you don't play her as a carry - standard marcher/bracers/wards - staff/portal key/shroud (not recommended).
I don't think there will be a game where Andro will ever farm more than that. I did however play where had to carry with her against scout and puppet, and went for geo/savage/shield/shruken... was funny.
EDIT: I don't think rift should be gotten before other dps items such as geo/wing/savage, etc. It is a huge amplifier, so before you gain attack speed/high damage, it just isn't effective.
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the only time i get riftshards is in very long games on hammerstorm.
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Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions.
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On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions.
Well, even though I didn't suggest, you don't have much choice when your carry drops and rest of your team are idiots - a magmus who goes abyssal before portal, a slither that is [i]attempting[i] to carry but failing, and a engineer who was sooo underfarmed.
What I'm trying to say is if you pub, you can carry with anything (even glacius! =D).
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On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions.
Maybe he plays EM games where he can get a SotM Stygian AC Charged Hammer Phase Boots and Crit in 22minutes...
On March 04 2010 04:06 Wala.Revolution wrote:Well, even though I didn't suggest, you don't have much choice when your carry drops and rest of your team are idiots - a (n) magmus anything who goes abyssal before portal, a slither that is [i]attempting[i] to carry but failing, and a engineer who was sooo underfarmed. What I'm trying to say is if you pub, you can carry with anything (even glacius! =D).
Accentuated the fact that your pub magmus was retarded it just didn't seem good enough.
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:D
nitrogay carry VS np np
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On March 04 2010 04:08 iSiN wrote:Maybe he plays EM games where he can get a SotM Stygian AC Charged Hammer Phase Boots and Crit in 22minutes... Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:06 Wala.Revolution wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Well, even though I didn't suggest, you don't have much choice when your carry drops and rest of your team are idiots - a (n) magmus anything who goes abyssal before portal, a slither that is [i]attempting[i] to carry but failing, and a engineer who was sooo underfarmed. What I'm trying to say is if you pub, you can carry with anything (even glacius! =D). Accentuated the fact that your pub magmus was retarded it just didn't seem good enough.
=p no i play regular games usually with teamliquid people in hon but now i'm busy with sc2 too much for hon =p
~semantics
hell I've been shafted before and been forced ot play on the pubs team vs a in house with tastie and darkcell thankfully they also had feeders for me and my team won. Ofc testie was magmus so auto loss there.
maybe you can't farm with andro but with ganks and fast boots of travel i sure can.
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On March 04 2010 05:48 Virtue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:08 iSiN wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Maybe he plays EM games where he can get a SotM Stygian AC Charged Hammer Phase Boots and Crit in 22minutes... On March 04 2010 04:06 Wala.Revolution wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Well, even though I didn't suggest, you don't have much choice when your carry drops and rest of your team are idiots - a (n) magmus anything who goes abyssal before portal, a slither that is [i]attempting[i] to carry but failing, and a engineer who was sooo underfarmed. What I'm trying to say is if you pub, you can carry with anything (even glacius! =D). Accentuated the fact that your pub magmus was retarded it just didn't seem good enough. =p no i play regular games usually with teamliquid people in hon but now i'm busy with sc2 too much for hon =p ~semantics hell I've been shafted before and been forced ot play on the pubs team vs a in house with tastie and darkcell thankfully they also had feeders for me and my team won. Ofc testie was magmus so auto loss there. maybe you can't farm with andro but with ganks and fast boots of travel i sure can.
what lane are you in, exactly, where your partner doesn't need the cash more than you and you can afford BoT and wards and crow?
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On March 02 2010 13:42 Humbug wrote:
Hey DYH, what's your strat with Ophelia? I can do well with her when the other team doesn't really know what to do + they have squishy heroes, but in team fights it's usually a cluster fuck trying to keep myself alive while using creeps to stun/thunder clap shit around. Also, your item build?
I go whichever jungle I think I can use better to win. Ex: protecting a carry solo, ganking mid, ganking in general. Keep an eye on the lane you plan on ganking all the time and get to it lvl 1-2 if the opportunity presents itself. If not wait till lvl 3 get 2 creeps and force a gank, worst case you force the other guys out of the lane and your guys get a freefarm for a short while. Then just farm and gank whenever possible. I get penitence or whatever the equivalent is on her, the slow. It helps with positioning your creep disables and if you have a teamate attacking with you the bonus dmg is usually above what the nuke would do anyhow.
Item wise I get courier, 2 branches, clarities, and a heal pot. Then buy upgraded courier, ob wards, boots if you need to get to the other jungle to gank a lane that is not doing well, or ring of the teacher if you are just farming up a storm and don't need to move jungles. either way those are your first 2 items. I like getting gnomes next so that you and your creeps never run out of mana. Astrolab, plateboots, scepter/sheepstick depending on if you need team heals or a disable. Keep buying wards and counterwards.
In teamfights hang back slightly for the initiation, then rush forward with mek/ult/slow/nuke. If you can land a couple creep disables all the better but that isn't your main focus in a teamfight. I hotkey my hero on 1, creeps on 2, then both on 3 using mouse skills to do the individual creep micro. Side note, always keep your creeps in front of you, especially when prepping for a gank. Just pull oph back for a second so she is at the back of the line that way your creeps are already in good position once you have your slow off and if they go for your hero they have to run through all your creep's abilities to do so.
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On March 04 2010 05:53 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 05:48 Virtue wrote:On March 04 2010 04:08 iSiN wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Maybe he plays EM games where he can get a SotM Stygian AC Charged Hammer Phase Boots and Crit in 22minutes... On March 04 2010 04:06 Wala.Revolution wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Well, even though I didn't suggest, you don't have much choice when your carry drops and rest of your team are idiots - a (n) magmus anything who goes abyssal before portal, a slither that is [i]attempting[i] to carry but failing, and a engineer who was sooo underfarmed. What I'm trying to say is if you pub, you can carry with anything (even glacius! =D). Accentuated the fact that your pub magmus was retarded it just didn't seem good enough. =p no i play regular games usually with teamliquid people in hon but now i'm busy with sc2 too much for hon =p ~semantics hell I've been shafted before and been forced ot play on the pubs team vs a in house with tastie and darkcell thankfully they also had feeders for me and my team won. Ofc testie was magmus so auto loss there. maybe you can't farm with andro but with ganks and fast boots of travel i sure can. what lane are you in, exactly, where your partner doesn't need the cash more than you and you can afford BoT and wards and crow?
my lane is called kick ass, go roam and kill shit don't die and guess what money just comes to you isn't that amazing and if people need gold they can go farm themselves i'm not gonna fuck over myself so my idiot team member who can't last hit for shit gets more gold then me.
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On March 04 2010 06:05 Virtue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 05:53 L wrote:On March 04 2010 05:48 Virtue wrote:On March 04 2010 04:08 iSiN wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Maybe he plays EM games where he can get a SotM Stygian AC Charged Hammer Phase Boots and Crit in 22minutes... On March 04 2010 04:06 Wala.Revolution wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Well, even though I didn't suggest, you don't have much choice when your carry drops and rest of your team are idiots - a (n) magmus anything who goes abyssal before portal, a slither that is [i]attempting[i] to carry but failing, and a engineer who was sooo underfarmed. What I'm trying to say is if you pub, you can carry with anything (even glacius! =D). Accentuated the fact that your pub magmus was retarded it just didn't seem good enough. =p no i play regular games usually with teamliquid people in hon but now i'm busy with sc2 too much for hon =p ~semantics hell I've been shafted before and been forced ot play on the pubs team vs a in house with tastie and darkcell thankfully they also had feeders for me and my team won. Ofc testie was magmus so auto loss there. maybe you can't farm with andro but with ganks and fast boots of travel i sure can. what lane are you in, exactly, where your partner doesn't need the cash more than you and you can afford BoT and wards and crow? my lane is called kick ass, go roam and kill shit don't die and guess what money just comes to you isn't that amazing and if people need gold they can go farm themselves i'm not gonna fuck over myself so my idiot team member who can't last hit for shit gets more gold then me.
pubstar at work right here, shit like that will get you stomped in upper play.
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On March 04 2010 06:19 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 06:05 Virtue wrote:On March 04 2010 05:53 L wrote:On March 04 2010 05:48 Virtue wrote:On March 04 2010 04:08 iSiN wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Maybe he plays EM games where he can get a SotM Stygian AC Charged Hammer Phase Boots and Crit in 22minutes... On March 04 2010 04:06 Wala.Revolution wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Well, even though I didn't suggest, you don't have much choice when your carry drops and rest of your team are idiots - a (n) magmus anything who goes abyssal before portal, a slither that is [i]attempting[i] to carry but failing, and a engineer who was sooo underfarmed. What I'm trying to say is if you pub, you can carry with anything (even glacius! =D). Accentuated the fact that your pub magmus was retarded it just didn't seem good enough. =p no i play regular games usually with teamliquid people in hon but now i'm busy with sc2 too much for hon =p ~semantics hell I've been shafted before and been forced ot play on the pubs team vs a in house with tastie and darkcell thankfully they also had feeders for me and my team won. Ofc testie was magmus so auto loss there. maybe you can't farm with andro but with ganks and fast boots of travel i sure can. what lane are you in, exactly, where your partner doesn't need the cash more than you and you can afford BoT and wards and crow? my lane is called kick ass, go roam and kill shit don't die and guess what money just comes to you isn't that amazing and if people need gold they can go farm themselves i'm not gonna fuck over myself so my idiot team member who can't last hit for shit gets more gold then me. pubstar at work right here, shit like that will get you stomped in upper play.
Good thing then i'm not playing games for "upper play" lol zeesh most games are pub games very few ih and usually pubstomps competition are for those who like it i prefer playing for the hell of it.
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On March 04 2010 06:28 Virtue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 06:19 Judicator wrote:On March 04 2010 06:05 Virtue wrote:On March 04 2010 05:53 L wrote:On March 04 2010 05:48 Virtue wrote:On March 04 2010 04:08 iSiN wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Maybe he plays EM games where he can get a SotM Stygian AC Charged Hammer Phase Boots and Crit in 22minutes... On March 04 2010 04:06 Wala.Revolution wrote:On March 04 2010 03:39 Bash wrote:
Rofling at the carry-andro suggestions. Well, even though I didn't suggest, you don't have much choice when your carry drops and rest of your team are idiots - a (n) magmus anything who goes abyssal before portal, a slither that is [i]attempting[i] to carry but failing, and a engineer who was sooo underfarmed. What I'm trying to say is if you pub, you can carry with anything (even glacius! =D). Accentuated the fact that your pub magmus was retarded it just didn't seem good enough. =p no i play regular games usually with teamliquid people in hon but now i'm busy with sc2 too much for hon =p ~semantics hell I've been shafted before and been forced ot play on the pubs team vs a in house with tastie and darkcell thankfully they also had feeders for me and my team won. Ofc testie was magmus so auto loss there. maybe you can't farm with andro but with ganks and fast boots of travel i sure can. what lane are you in, exactly, where your partner doesn't need the cash more than you and you can afford BoT and wards and crow? my lane is called kick ass, go roam and kill shit don't die and guess what money just comes to you isn't that amazing and if people need gold they can go farm themselves i'm not gonna fuck over myself so my idiot team member who can't last hit for shit gets more gold then me. pubstar at work right here, shit like that will get you stomped in upper play. Good thing then i'm not playing games for "upper play" lol zeesh most games are pub games very few ih and usually pubstomps competition are for those who like it i prefer playing for the hell of it.
I liked your 4 bracer rift shards build on earth shaker
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On March 04 2010 04:59 rabidch wrote:
:D
nitrogay carry VS np np
yo dawg you shoulda seen my carry kotl
or enigma
or seer
or dazzle
i remember testie raged at me once because i went rad on seer in a cw
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