[HoN/DotA] Let's Play~!! - Page 548

On October 02 2009 13:22 Zelniq wrote:
I think I might just play with pubs for a while. The games are just so much more fun than ours.. in pretty much every pub both teams will group up for ganks and team fights, and early pushes. Often times people will group up without even needing to say anything, they'll see a good opportunity to do it and move. Or one or 2 people will ping somewhere or say 'go ___' or 'push ___' and usually several people will listen. They'll also often be there to defend their towers.

But in our games, both hon and in dota, are never like this with a few exceptions when certain players are involved like alven/DYH.. but even with them it's not enough since there are some who'll just do their own thing, while the only team fights we have early on in our games are when someone got ganked and people came to help.
And don't say I haven't tried to get people to do stuff either, I've tried plenty and people just dont listen, they gotta finish their whatever task or item or whatever. It's usually like 1, maybe 2 will listen and the others will continue to do their own thing, every time. This is not enough when their team is often together or near enough for them to come help midfight while our allies will continue to do stuff. Some people will be willing to do stuff but not until they do something else, and so our chance is lost. So we just farm and defend and pick off the occasional lone hero here and there or push the undefended tower here and there, perhaps even a counter-gank if we're lucky, but these games are much less fun to play imo. Did I sound like I think I'm special or excluded? I do the same things to, but it's not exactly what I want to be doing.

Also because of those reasons, awesome ganking/support heroes tend to be much more useful and enjoyable in pubs than in our games, for me at least.
Although it's player-specific, laning in general is usually more enjoyable with pubs as well. I think it's usually because most of us focus hard on last hitting/denying so hard that we miss opportunities to jump on them, or we get jumped instead because of trying to get that extra last hit in. I feel this the most with devaz, which explains why he's so goddamn baller with last hitting but sometimes isn't close enough / ready to jump after I initiate, or the other way around.

as for the last game, I don't even wanna get into a discussion about it because I definitely did fail, but I have to say that the decision bhp made to literally watch me 1v1 jugg (with both of us standing still), nearby our tower, w/o any of his allies nearby, with 100% hp and mana, not do a single thing the entire time from my full hp to 0, while he stood there not moving, next to me in the same screen, invis, from the beginning till the end.. I've never seen anything like it. I can almost kind of understand being overly afraid of Jugg's spin + ult, despite there being creeps+myself and Lvl 1 ult only, despite the fact that he could have came in mid-spin and w/o a doubt survived even if ALL omnislashes hit him, which was impossible anyway. Of course everyone makes mistakes in judgment calls, I do it like a billion times every goddamn day, but from my point of view, if you make one like that you should recognize you messed up rather than defend it (before I mentioned anything about ragequitting you defended yourself which was really shocking. though I do apologize for saying 'it almost made me ragequit,' that was not only poor behavior but not true, I wasn't even close to ragequitting, was just really frustrated how you seemed to think you did the right thing. bhp's such a nice and cool guy so I feel bad for raging at him so much, but I think I should try to avoid playing with him and L for a while for both of our sakes