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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 09 2008 17:30 GMT
#1021
he said hes from hong kong and that had to be where he was located because we were playing on the chinese ladder which would lag tremendously if he was overseas.

Who are the best QOP players? I wanna study some replays
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-09 17:39:03
February 09 2008 17:38 GMT
#1022
Maelk from team MYM, a safe but efficient QoP Player.
Any player from VP when they run QoP. [Vigoss, arguably best player utilizes necrobook QoP. Style I like to play]
Loda, Kwom, Akke from team SK when they play QoP. Loda's shadowfiend is most known/best though.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 09 2008 17:47 GMT
#1023
Visgoss got manhandled by eMg's Pugna/SK lane though, a hard lane cause stats-SK and Pugna's damage scales quicker than QoP's. Still somehow managed to make Book3 by like 35.

Eddie's a Canadian at Waterloo, unless hes studying abroad this semester. His SF is also better than most players.
Get it by your hands...
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 09 2008 17:50 GMT
#1024
Yeah, where can you get good DotA replays? The replays I find at dota-allstars.com are pretty terrible.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 09 2008 17:52 GMT
#1025
Use their forums, under the competitive dota section the mods post complete replays (as long as there was no reload) of matches played for all the majors.
Get it by your hands...
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-09 18:38:46
February 09 2008 18:37 GMT
#1026
Gay, posts don't look the same as in the way you type them
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-09 19:18:25
February 09 2008 19:18 GMT
#1027
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Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
February 09 2008 19:58 GMT
#1028
who agrees to rename dagger of escape to dagger of initiation?
or dagger of epic lulz
=x
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
str
Profile Joined July 2007
Bulgaria192 Posts
February 09 2008 20:15 GMT
#1029
ima quit playing sk because of that damn dagger nerf -.-
no units = no power
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 09 2008 21:23 GMT
#1030
the only time you use dagger is to initiate with sk

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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
February 09 2008 22:01 GMT
#1031
Technically you can use it to escape, but you already have Burrowstrike anyways so if you can't BS -> Blink then you deserve to die XPPPPPP
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
February 09 2008 22:07 GMT
#1032
Part of what made SK so good was his ability to escape with both dagger + burrow when one or the other wasn't enough.
I recall when chasing SK a lot that both helped SK out a tonne.
Shrug, the nerf hurts every and all heros who regularly get a dagger.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
February 09 2008 23:27 GMT
#1033
On February 10 2008 07:07 MYM.Testie wrote:
Part of what made SK so good was his ability to escape with both dagger + burrow when one or the other wasn't enough.
I recall when chasing SK a lot that both helped SK out a tonne.
Shrug, the nerf hurts every and all heros who regularly get a dagger.

True, but I think that was the point of the nerf. Dagger was too much of a staple item, most high level replays I've watched pretty much every hero got a dagger.
That said I think the nerf was a bit too much, 3 seconds is too long. Maybe they could go to 2 or 1 second and increase the mana cost. Not sure what to do with the pricing though.
twitter: @terrancem
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
February 09 2008 23:41 GMT
#1034
LOL NM EDIT
str
Profile Joined July 2007
Bulgaria192 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-10 00:53:27
February 10 2008 00:48 GMT
#1035
On February 10 2008 06:23 paper wrote:
the only time you use dagger is to initiate with sk

...


well when u think about it, u can initiate at best every 3-4 minutes and I at least used dagger at least once every minute(more often if being chased), so I would say that I at least used it for defense at least as much as for offense. the way it is now it has close to no defensive value, which was actually the reason why most int heroes took it in the first place- so they can nuke and escape.
the way i see it icefrog wanted to give carriers a little edge since at pro level we mostly see teams consisting of 2-3 int ,1-2 str and 1 agi heroes and the game is seldom decided on carriers since the 5v5 battle are like nuke nuke nuke..

btw sk`s burrowstrike has like 1 second animation adding the fact that u have to accelerate after that makes it hard to escape without dagger - meaning sk will be raped by pretty much any radi carrier if he tries to push a lane which was before no problem whatsoever (and ive had some experience with sk )
but lets wait and see how the pros react...since in pro games pretty much everybody has dagger

edit:
wow i used "as least" 4 times in the first sentence...
no units = no power
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
February 10 2008 01:11 GMT
#1036
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8897/roflmm2.jpg

lololololol.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
February 10 2008 02:10 GMT
#1037
Techies > 21 deaths? xD
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 10 2008 02:18 GMT
#1038
On February 10 2008 10:11 Southlight wrote:
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8897/roflmm2.jpg

lololololol.


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k3fka
Profile Joined November 2004
Argentina1267 Posts
February 10 2008 04:49 GMT
#1039
Actually the dagger being nerfed favours SK HORRIBLY. The reason sk nowadays isnt a 1st pick nor a ban , is because the way dota is played these days is so different. With the russian Revolution of Vp that involves getting dagger with all the non blink heroes , Sk has turned into a mediocre pick (no bad , just not what it used to be). IF you see Virtus pro play against sk they just get 5 daggers and its almost impossible to cast a good ulti.

Maelk from Mym "a safe but efficient qop" you kidding me? maelk with vigoss are the 2 best qop users in the planet. And sk pugna is a terrible lane. Sk on lane isnt imba until level 5 where he gets the larger stun and therefor stunning both of the players is easier. But in the 1st level , he is easy harrasable , its almost impossible to stun both of them unless they suck and when he stuns he is very vulnerable since he ends beside the 2 opponents.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-10 04:57:20
February 10 2008 04:56 GMT
#1040
No I'm not kidding you.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from the reps I've seen of Maelk playing QoP he does the following:
5 branch 4 tango.
Plays passive/reactionary in lane. Maybe ganks depending on lane/rune control.
Rapes late game from farm.

I already said Vigoss is arguably the best player overall so no disagreement there.
SK/Pugna is not that good of a lane, but like Judicator said in one replay he did get owned by that lane combination. A necro 3 by 30 is good, but usually you shoot for -25.
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