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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
August 27 2009 01:28 GMT
#10041
Even if he doesn't own him, (and he should because at lvl 6 he can tower dive and kill him anyway) he should stop him from ganking any side lanes + rune control. ;p
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 27 2009 01:34 GMT
#10042
it's funny when you predict a tower dive and you C X Z and they die by the time they reach you
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
August 27 2009 01:56 GMT
#10043
On August 27 2009 09:43 MYM.Testie wrote:
tadzio i think you're misunderstanding because your post makes no sense to me and is assuming things that are pretty wrong. ;p


funny
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 27 2009 02:12 GMT
#10044
On August 27 2009 10:28 MYM.Testie wrote:
Even if he doesn't own him, (and he should because at lvl 6 he can tower dive and kill him anyway) he should stop him from ganking any side lanes + rune control. ;p


If the SF is a downy sure. Good players will space you out regardless and their support if worth anything will drop a ward on the CW's side of the ramp.
Get it by your hands...
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
August 27 2009 02:13 GMT
#10045
o_O)?
huh?
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-27 02:29:53
August 27 2009 02:19 GMT
#10046
On August 27 2009 11:13 MYM.Testie wrote:
o_O)?
huh?


testie is not gay

that's all
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
August 27 2009 02:21 GMT
#10047
Between tadzio judicator and paper I don't know who to correct first. ;o
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 27 2009 02:31 GMT
#10048
[image loading]


wat
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
August 27 2009 02:32 GMT
#10049
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
August 27 2009 02:38 GMT
#10050
On August 27 2009 11:12 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2009 10:28 MYM.Testie wrote:
Even if he doesn't own him, (and he should because at lvl 6 he can tower dive and kill him anyway) he should stop him from ganking any side lanes + rune control. ;p


If the SF is a downy sure. Good players will space you out regardless and their support if worth anything will drop a ward on the CW's side of the ramp.



clock can just abuse runes and hook from rune spots to kill sf. Once clock hits 6 only way sf will gank is through teleports or running behind his tower, because running straight for runes is a definite hook -> kill from clock (as long as he hits him correctly =P).

The only way sf can really keep clock from diving him is to hit his L3 razes on him right before 6 so clock has to back off and heal up. If clock stays at full life he can just dive any time past 6.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-27 02:45:23
August 27 2009 02:40 GMT
#10051
Clock has the CS advantage until at least lvl 5. And seeing as he hits lvl 5 first he'll hit 6 before SF hits 6*. imba animation + attack damage >> sf early game. SF can get all the CS he wants later but early game exists and if clock can deny 6-8 of the first 8 creeps while SF is still at bitch damage it's going to be a rough life for him. He doesn't even need to deny that many, but it's definitely very likely. ;p
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 27 2009 03:09 GMT
#10052
damn I was sleeping for the past ~5-6 hours what did I miss?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 27 2009 04:21 GMT
#10053
people forget abusing runes goes both ways, and that there are many ways to place the wards so you don't get hooked in the dark

on average, SF > CW without a doubt
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 27 2009 05:15 GMT
#10054
On August 27 2009 13:21 paper wrote:
people forget abusing runes goes both ways, and that there are many ways to place the wards so you don't get hooked in the dark

on average, SF > CW without a doubt


that always hurts
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 27 2009 05:35 GMT
#10055
On August 27 2009 14:15 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2009 13:21 paper wrote:
people forget abusing runes goes both ways, and that there are many ways to place the wards so you don't get hooked in the dark

on average, SF > CW without a doubt


that always hurts


how does it hurt when you perfectly blend in with the night

KEKEKE ^_^_^_^_^_^
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Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
August 27 2009 05:37 GMT
#10056
On August 27 2009 13:21 paper wrote:
people forget abusing runes goes both ways, and that there are many ways to place the wards so you don't get hooked in the dark

on average, SF > CW without a doubt



at low/mid skill i can see sf > clock mostly. Once you reach the high level a clock will beat an sf before level 6 when sf can aoe crush stuff. Also once cw is 6 its hard for sf to grab lots of runes due to clock hooking.

You can place a ward in alot of areas to see when he runs to rune, so you won't be hooking him in the dark.
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
August 27 2009 06:55 GMT
#10057
FLYING VISION
In DotA you could
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
August 27 2009 07:13 GMT
#10058
we lost that game due to balanar reasons

and also romanians don't understand the meaning of 'hey everyone go dagon'
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
August 27 2009 07:21 GMT
#10059
Ugh, clockwerk when you're playing SF -_- rather play against 2 NA's than clockwerk. SF is definitely weak shit vs clock but you guys are making it sound like sf can't do shit vs clock in lane.

Denying 6-8 out of the first 8 creeps? wut? seriously? that only happens vs piss poor shadow fiends. The last time I laned SF vs clock (maybe the only time), I don't remember having a hard time since cw is harmless before lvl 6. If anything you should be outcsing clockwerk significantly. Even after CW hits 6, you should constantly be using raze too keep his hp down (take tower diving out of the question).

cw > sf in the long run but don't make it sound like it should be a cakewalk for cw.
('''(G_G/'''')
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-27 07:56:42
August 27 2009 07:55 GMT
#10060
35-41 with a wind up animation vs 55-57 with a pretty badass animation. You don't really have much choice the first few levels. I think you may have it backwards, in that vs a bad clockwerk you can out CS him.

But vs a good clockwerk you can't make damage from thin air. I might be exaggerating the CS effects but every SF i've played except 1 (the story already mentioned) has been utterly crushed, especially at the lower levels as I have the main control of the CS and will definitely be getting my bottle and boots before him. (Don't forget his movement speed advantage as well). You said 'maybe the only time I've laned clock' ... I've laned a lot of SF's as I run clockwerk pretty often. Hell they are too afraid to even walk near my side of the river sometimes because you can kill them at level 3+. I agree that against an SF of your caliber I may not be able to do what I so freely said, but you can't make damage appear out of thin air. And SF's of your caliber aren't just dime a dozen. SF can't even fake out clock because clock just knows, 'he can't do anything yet'. Clock will have the early CS control.

I run him a lot. And I feel very confident vs most solos especially zeus's / sf's.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
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