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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
just dont copy me and not eat tangos while soloing mid ok | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On August 27 2009 17:02 Ace wrote: how do you survive the arc lightning spam? Is it cuz clock has high hp initially and you just farm through it? normally zeus's that do that have clarity potions to keep their mana up. Rocket flare when they clarity to stop them from having alot of mana and they can only spam for so long. eventually youll have a bottle/hood and will naturally out regen the minor spam he does. First few levels you just have to either dodge it on top of ramp of eat tangoes when you reach mid range life. | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On August 27 2009 19:01 ahswtini wrote: Does CW's hook function exactly like Pudge's, or can you click simply click on the enemy hero and as long as there's nothing in between, you'll hook on? has retarded range, is a lot faster, has a small aoe stun when you hit an enemy, and if you hit an ally before you have aghs it just cancels the hook. | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
On August 27 2009 16:55 MYM.Testie wrote: 35-41 with a wind up animation vs 55-57 with a pretty badass animation. You don't really have much choice the first few levels. I think you may have it backwards, in that vs a bad clockwerk you can out CS him. But vs a good clockwerk you can't make damage from thin air. I might be exaggerating the CS effects but every SF i've played except 1 (the story already mentioned) has been utterly crushed, especially at the lower levels as I have the main control of the CS and will definitely be getting my bottle and boots before him. (Don't forget his movement speed advantage as well). You said 'maybe the only time I've laned clock' ... I've laned a lot of SF's as I run clockwerk pretty often. Hell they are too afraid to even walk near my side of the river sometimes because you can kill them at level 3+. I agree that against an SF of your caliber I may not be able to do what I so freely said, but you can't make damage appear out of thin air. And SF's of your caliber aren't just dime a dozen. SF can't even fake out clock because clock just knows, 'he can't do anything yet'. Clock will have the early CS control. I run him a lot. And I feel very confident vs most solos especially zeus's / sf's. :D An SF at your CW skilllevel should never be outfarmed at all. In fact you should be struggling to get any CS apart from those rockets can grant you. But you mostly play scrubs and highlevel teams rarely use SF anyway  | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On August 28 2009 00:29 Corr wrote: :D An SF at your CW skilllevel should never be outfarmed at all. In fact you should be struggling to get any CS apart from those rockets can grant you. But you mostly play scrubs and highlevel teams rarely use SF anyway Hes not saying he will outcs him the entire game, but before sf has decent level raze or + damage clockwerk should be taking a majority of the cs. Most of that is pre 6 and thats what he is refering it to. Weve played against strong sf's in clan wars before, they farm really well, but clockwerk has the ability to stop his farming before he has decent damage. | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 27 2009 11:38 Alventenie wrote: clock can just abuse runes and hook from rune spots to kill sf. Once clock hits 6 only way sf will gank is through teleports or running behind his tower, because running straight for runes is a definite hook -> kill from clock (as long as he hits him correctly =P). The only way sf can really keep clock from diving him is to hit his L3 razes on him right before 6 so clock has to back off and heal up. If clock stays at full life he can just dive any time past 6. Except SF doesn't need to keep him from diving him, if the CW is constantly threaten by playing close to the creep line, the SF can harass him, and make it hard to for CW to dive effectively. Yeah if the SF plays passive, the CW can and will dive him at will. Otherwise, he's going to telegraph that he's going to either dive or go offensive. Abuse runes how? It's not like the CW can will the runes to his location every time, a number of heroes would be a head if they can bottle abuse at the rate you're suggesting. It's still luck that the rune spawns where you are and there are a lot of runes before Hook becomes a factor. It's a tough lane yes, but its not auto win for either player, it's in favor of the CW sure, but not by that much. All in all if the SF calls for good defensive warding, it shouldn't be that hard. | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
On August 27 2009 16:55 MYM.Testie wrote: 35-41 with a wind up animation vs 55-57 with a pretty badass animation. You don't really have much choice the first few levels. I think you may have it backwards, in that vs a bad clockwerk you can out CS him. But vs a good clockwerk you can't make damage from thin air. I might be exaggerating the CS effects but every SF i've played except 1 (the story already mentioned) has been utterly crushed, especially at the lower levels as I have the main control of the CS and will definitely be getting my bottle and boots before him. (Don't forget his movement speed advantage as well). You said 'maybe the only time I've laned clock' ... I've laned a lot of SF's as I run clockwerk pretty often. Hell they are too afraid to even walk near my side of the river sometimes because you can kill them at level 3+. I agree that against an SF of your caliber I may not be able to do what I so freely said, but you can't make damage appear out of thin air. And SF's of your caliber aren't just dime a dozen. SF can't even fake out clock because clock just knows, 'he can't do anything yet'. Clock will have the early CS control. I run him a lot. And I feel very confident vs most solos especially zeus's / sf's. Sure I can. Necromastery But srsly, after 4 or 5 creep waves, cw should have lost pure dmg advantage. Well, I'll have to find out for sure myself. Can you upload a replay of this happening though? I'm curious to see how easily you dominate SFs. | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
On August 28 2009 01:53 Heen wrote: Sure I can. Necromastery But srsly, after 4 or 5 creep waves, cw should have lost pure dmg advantage. Well, I'll have to find out for sure myself. Can you upload a replay of this happening though? I'm curious to see how easily you dominate SFs. Exactly. Any decent SF will average atleast 2,5 creeps killed per wave as soon as he hits lvl 2 raze (at lvl 3 or 4, depending on your preference) and then he's far ahead in CS from there. It's not like you can get a 20 CS advantage before he hits lvl 4 | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On August 28 2009 01:53 Heen wrote: Sure I can. Necromastery But srsly, after 4 or 5 creep waves, cw should have lost pure dmg advantage. Well, I'll have to find out for sure myself. Can you upload a replay of this happening though? I'm curious to see how easily you dominate SFs. hes not saying that you cant get damage eventually, but before you have L2 raze a clockwerk should be able to stop you from most cs. need to go get a scrim between us so you guys can go at it (maybe on some host from west coast or something that you might ping 100-150ish to). | ||
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paper
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
Most new players are put in the roles of support or semi-support heroes as Rhasta, Lion, Crystal Maiden and there's actually still alot to playing those heroes properly. Knowing where to Ward in what situation and which time of the game is really hard if you've never seen top replays or understood the logic behind it. | ||
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Rodiel
France573 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On August 27 2009 17:02 Ace wrote: how do you survive the arc lightning spam? Is it cuz clock has high hp initially and you just farm through it? arc lightning isn't shit for a high hp hero like clock. you're going to have your regen+bottle+boots and zeus is slow as balls. He's bad vs clockwerk, really bad. He will die before or at level 6 unless help comes. I can't really bring a replay heen but I'd just suggest you try it out vs a good team mate of yours. I have a tonne of reps but with all the new patches I can't look through the mass of clock reps to see which one was vs a good team and what not. If it helps at all I go rocket assault assault rocket assault ult because cogs don't really matter, I know how to not let creeps touch me when i'm getting a kill and the clockwerk farts of doom do the rest. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 28 2009 01:58 Alventenie wrote: hes not saying that you cant get damage eventually, but before you have L2 raze a clockwerk should be able to stop you from most cs. need to go get a scrim between us so you guys can go at it (maybe on some host from west coast or something that you might ping 100-150ish to). That is true for most heroes solo-ing against SF...actually every player solo-ing against SF will abuse his crappy base damage at first. Hell people ran Sven solo back when SF was autopick or ban with the same concept here. I think Heen's stuck on how CW can gain such an advantage to the point where the SF can't overcome it later (like 2 or 3 waves later). I mean outside of some help from the side lanes, I don't see it either. But I feel like you guys are just emphasizing CW can work solo mid against a lot of solos which is true. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
(In which case there should have been a lane switch if it's a good baby sit lane). Can't have the carry getting 30+ cs by 5 minutes and rolling you. | ||
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