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Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
August 28 2009 01:56 GMT
#10101
On August 28 2009 07:40 paper wrote:
heen... next summer i come to you :D


That's what you said last year...
('''(G_G/'''')
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
August 28 2009 02:27 GMT
#10102
new version of omg mode out! compatible with patch 1.24b and based on dota 6.62.

Come on ppl lets play.


http://www.playdota.com/forums/11254/dota-6-62-omg-1-04c/
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
August 28 2009 02:28 GMT
#10103
sylla currently is very underrated, but with decent team make up he is really strong.


However he is still sylla, and just afk auto attack 60 minutes =P
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-28 02:36:25
August 28 2009 02:32 GMT
#10104
I've run him a couple times. One time lost to a bristle back when i did a bad build on him, but otherwise he's been good. People who suck at using the bear shouldn't use him obv tho. I put him solo bot vs a kill lane of SK/Potm I think and I did well and we rolled the team.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 28 2009 02:36 GMT
#10105
On August 28 2009 10:31 Alventenie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2009 09:55 Judicator wrote:
On August 28 2009 09:36 Alventenie wrote:
On August 28 2009 08:06 Judicator wrote:
Just curious Testie, who are those HS teams? I am ringing a decent amount now, and a lot of players/teams claim HS but they definitely aren't HS (compared to some of those teams playing in IDEC Earth right now).



i dunno, i would rate our team a mid-high skill team. Alot of teams are over confident on their abilities. Most of the teams we play we normally roll over, or win just a long game. Most of our games are won through our mechanics so its not that we are playing bad players, but we do out play most of our opponents.

I would say most teams are made up of 1-2 high skill and the rest are mid skill players. We haven't really met a US team in CW rooms (without like looking in league rooms for them) that we can't beat (not saying they wont ever beat us though, weve lost some).

However, when we play with corrupted he finds us Euro teams in the day time.


I figured as much, I hang around the normal rooms for CW finding and don't see that many good US teams looking for scrims, like blight, ps and pz are the most active.

Either way, I find US teams to be gimmicky relying on a certain pick to get them through the game while Euros actually try to out pick you from top to bottom, kind of like that recent SUP (now known as Decisive btw) versus Razer.CGC game.



We don't really rely on gimmick line ups though. The last couple days we have run cm just once or twice (both times to counter clockwerk with just harsh nuking lanes). I would say our line ups are really diverse for most games, although it feels that in a decent portion we run potm due to her just being so versatile =P.

When we do picks we also throw ideas out just how the game might go. I really like most of our picks as some of them are not main stream and under used =P.


edit: we played with mikey the other day and rolled some team who tried to tri lane btm into all in push. we stopped a krob kotl dazzle tri lane with lich kunkka lol


That is a really bad tri lane lulz, you don't play for push with a tri-lane like that.

When I say gimmicky I meant for matches that matter like in tourneys, from Fear's Clinkz from way back to DOGKaiser's Syllabear to Merlini's Silencer/Zeus to Chu's Meepo to DoP's Dark Seer/Visage/Treant, there's always been some affiliation with a NA player and their respective defining hero or picking style. I don't see that in Euros or Asians that much. And no I am not talking about picking good heroes, I am talking about the quality of the team dropping just because their hero was banned (or could have been banned), namely aimed at DoP and DOGKaiser. I just feel the NA teams use their picks/bans too much as a crutch instead of changing play styles with their heroes.
Get it by your hands...
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
August 28 2009 02:43 GMT
#10106
On August 28 2009 11:36 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2009 10:31 Alventenie wrote:
On August 28 2009 09:55 Judicator wrote:
On August 28 2009 09:36 Alventenie wrote:
On August 28 2009 08:06 Judicator wrote:
Just curious Testie, who are those HS teams? I am ringing a decent amount now, and a lot of players/teams claim HS but they definitely aren't HS (compared to some of those teams playing in IDEC Earth right now).



i dunno, i would rate our team a mid-high skill team. Alot of teams are over confident on their abilities. Most of the teams we play we normally roll over, or win just a long game. Most of our games are won through our mechanics so its not that we are playing bad players, but we do out play most of our opponents.

I would say most teams are made up of 1-2 high skill and the rest are mid skill players. We haven't really met a US team in CW rooms (without like looking in league rooms for them) that we can't beat (not saying they wont ever beat us though, weve lost some).

However, when we play with corrupted he finds us Euro teams in the day time.


I figured as much, I hang around the normal rooms for CW finding and don't see that many good US teams looking for scrims, like blight, ps and pz are the most active.

Either way, I find US teams to be gimmicky relying on a certain pick to get them through the game while Euros actually try to out pick you from top to bottom, kind of like that recent SUP (now known as Decisive btw) versus Razer.CGC game.



We don't really rely on gimmick line ups though. The last couple days we have run cm just once or twice (both times to counter clockwerk with just harsh nuking lanes). I would say our line ups are really diverse for most games, although it feels that in a decent portion we run potm due to her just being so versatile =P.

When we do picks we also throw ideas out just how the game might go. I really like most of our picks as some of them are not main stream and under used =P.


edit: we played with mikey the other day and rolled some team who tried to tri lane btm into all in push. we stopped a krob kotl dazzle tri lane with lich kunkka lol


That is a really bad tri lane lulz, you don't play for push with a tri-lane like that.

When I say gimmicky I meant for matches that matter like in tourneys, from Fear's Clinkz from way back to DOGKaiser's Syllabear to Merlini's Silencer/Zeus to Chu's Meepo to DoP's Dark Seer/Visage/Treant, there's always been some affiliation with a NA player and their respective defining hero or picking style. I don't see that in Euros or Asians that much. And no I am not talking about picking good heroes, I am talking about the quality of the team dropping just because their hero was banned (or could have been banned), namely aimed at DoP and DOGKaiser. I just feel the NA teams use their picks/bans too much as a crutch instead of changing play styles with their heroes.



well they had a push line up of like solo pugna top solo zeus mid then dazzle kotl krob btm. We stopped their tri lane and just got hoods + hp and ran them over in a 5 man counter push mid.

DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-28 04:59:21
August 28 2009 04:42 GMT
#10107
On August 28 2009 08:06 Judicator wrote:
Just curious Testie, who are those HS teams? I am ringing a decent amount now, and a lot of players/teams claim HS but they definitely aren't HS (compared to some of those teams playing in IDEC Earth right now).


in my humble opinion, when we have our 5 best (which, unfortunately, is rarely the case) we are probably a 2nd tier na dota team. not quite as good (or should i say experienced) as EG., Pokerstars, SUP!, GDT, EDGE, PZ etc. but we could easily take games off them in casual scrimms (excluding EG.). pretty sure if the 5 we had scrimming today had a little more experience playing together in high-level games we'd be a definite contender for top tier.

but ya we don't rely on particular heroes at all. we tend to lean towards potm, zeus and cm a lot if all the standard bans are in place but we've been trying to vary our strats more recently. a bunch of teams still insist on banning meepo vs us but we don't even run him anymore... i think testie must have scarred them for life.

i really liked the roaming ogre with cm/panda strat we did today. that shit just oozed awesomeness. probably need to give testie a hero with a better escape mechanism next time though versus that clockwerk fp =p
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
August 28 2009 13:00 GMT
#10108
On August 28 2009 13:42 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2009 08:06 Judicator wrote:
Just curious Testie, who are those HS teams? I am ringing a decent amount now, and a lot of players/teams claim HS but they definitely aren't HS (compared to some of those teams playing in IDEC Earth right now).


in my humble opinion, when we have our 5 best (which, unfortunately, is rarely the case) we are probably a 2nd tier na dota team. not quite as good (or should i say experienced) as EG., Pokerstars, SUP!, GDT, EDGE, PZ etc. but we could easily take games off them in casual scrimms (excluding EG.). pretty sure if the 5 we had scrimming today had a little more experience playing together in high-level games we'd be a definite contender for top tier.

but ya we don't rely on particular heroes at all. we tend to lean towards potm, zeus and cm a lot if all the standard bans are in place but we've been trying to vary our strats more recently. a bunch of teams still insist on banning meepo vs us but we don't even run him anymore... i think testie must have scarred them for life.

i really liked the roaming ogre with cm/panda strat we did today. that shit just oozed awesomeness. probably need to give testie a hero with a better escape mechanism next time though versus that clockwerk fp =p



well the first game we ran against them we went brood, which worked well mid-late but testie got stopped early because sk was really good (im assuming with caustic). Second game he was doom and we just didnt have wards in the right spot. I kind of wish i was cm that game again just because i prefer my ward style over rads =P.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
August 28 2009 16:57 GMT
#10109
Rad did fine, I could have done better, that's all. I'm not going to argue with 24 wards when I saw them coming. I just kept sacrificing myself for the team. They'd throw all their nukes at me hoping I wouldn't get doom off, then you guys would clean up. Rinse repeat.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
August 28 2009 17:25 GMT
#10110
On August 29 2009 01:57 MYM.Testie wrote:
Rad did fine, I could have done better, that's all. I'm not going to argue with 24 wards when I saw them coming. I just kept sacrificing myself for the team. They'd throw all their nukes at me hoping I wouldn't get doom off, then you guys would clean up. Rinse repeat.



i know he did fine, but i just prefer where i place my wards over him, thats all =P.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
August 28 2009 17:47 GMT
#10111
Okay guys, all this top level discussion stuff is starting to wear thin ;p
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 28 2009 17:59 GMT
#10112
Ryugie needs to insert another one of his videos to lower the quality of the thread some more.
Get it by your hands...
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 28 2009 18:18 GMT
#10113
i never post videos

o_O?
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 28 2009 18:22 GMT
#10114
You should start then.
Get it by your hands...
radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
August 28 2009 18:36 GMT
#10115
On August 29 2009 02:25 Alventenie wrote:
i know he did fine, but i just prefer where i place my wards over him, thats all =P.


They were counterwarding a lot, and I didn't have money to ward and countward myself, so I had to keep placing them in different spots that would give us decent vision without the wards getting killed.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 28 2009 19:35 GMT
#10116
On August 29 2009 03:22 Judicator wrote:
You should start then.


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jpopidol
Profile Joined November 2008
108 Posts
August 28 2009 20:05 GMT
#10117
3. Every player must have a decent standard of farming and denying.
4. Every player must have some experience with all of the heros and be able to play more difficult heros well if they mesh better with the team.

Alright, I think I've about experienced all there is to experience with just casual playing and it's not that fun anymore. I figure before dota gets boring I might as well give it my best shot and see if i can hit high tier. My bnet background has proved insufficient for you guys so I'll need to adapt. What should I focus on first, where do I get this information and which of you higher ups want to help me?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
August 28 2009 20:06 GMT
#10118
The video quality on that is so bad, wtf happened?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
August 28 2009 20:14 GMT
#10119
On August 29 2009 05:06 ahswtini wrote:
The video quality on that is so bad, wtf happened?


he back tracked the bash on sb's ult so he rocketed across the map, i think
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Antifate
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States415 Posts
August 28 2009 20:28 GMT
#10120
He timewalk'd at the correct time so the movement trigger of timewalk and greater bash interacted in a screwy way and he BOOOOM'd across the map.

It's long been fixed.
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