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Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
August 09 2011 03:04 GMT
#29421
hah that hero looks op as hell. 8 abilities wow.
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 09 2011 03:06 GMT
#29422
On August 09 2011 11:45 wooozy wrote:
doesn't seem like it's been posted yet



Best hero of the current one's in testing by far. It's going to be insanely popular as it's a ranged carry, insanely fun to play, and not as imbalanced as most dev heroes.
AndyJay
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia833 Posts
August 09 2011 03:17 GMT
#29423
Ugh, sounds very complex. I know it'll make a lot more sense if I just spend 3 minutes playing him but after just watching the spotlight I'm very confused. I'm a bit out of the loop so this may be a silly question but will old accounts get access to monkey king when the new patch arrives?
Suffo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 03:33:54
August 09 2011 03:29 GMT
#29424
s2 is so dumb... They just making some imbalanced hero so they can cash in on it from people who will buy it for early access before dota 2 shits on the game. What kind of carry hero has a stun/push back (escape) nuke / aoe farm skill (cloud or lightning THAT SLOWS TOO) / op passive thats like 2 in 1, thinking flint HS + range / and a fucking global skill dmg shield / attack buff?

S2 just makes OP ass agility heroes like this and myrmidon with all the skills in the world, shitty int heroes like empath, and shitty ass str heroes. They're trying to be original, but their concepts of heroes are shit. Learn from icefrog and balance the game.

Why even import sniper if your going to make this shit?
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 09 2011 03:38 GMT
#29425
On August 09 2011 12:17 AndyJay wrote:
Ugh, sounds very complex. I know it'll make a lot more sense if I just spend 3 minutes playing him but after just watching the spotlight I'm very confused. I'm a bit out of the loop so this may be a silly question but will old accounts get access to monkey king when the new patch arrives?


When the hero after MoA is released MK will be given to all legacy players. Heroes come out every 2 weeks and early access if for 4 weeks.
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 09 2011 03:43 GMT
#29426
On August 09 2011 12:29 Suffo wrote:

S2 just makes OP ass agility heroes like this and myrmidon


Interesting...that said just because they both have guns doesn't mean they're the same hero. MoA's stat growth makes him not as hard as a carry, but someone who uses his abilities well can do well enough early game where it makes no difference. This is more fun than someone like Flint who simply has to farm a lot and the occasional kill is just icing on the cake.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 03:59:15
August 09 2011 03:46 GMT
#29427
yup ice frog balance master it's why this shows that every hero is played about the same amount and not just a select chuck of heroes.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/11378-dota-drafting-statistics
herp
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 04:01:41
August 09 2011 03:56 GMT
#29428
On August 09 2011 12:29 Suffo wrote:
s2 is so dumb... They just making some imbalanced hero so they can cash in on it from people who will buy it for early access before dota 2 shits on the game. What kind of carry hero has a stun/push back (escape) nuke / aoe farm skill (cloud or lightning THAT SLOWS TOO) / op passive thats like 2 in 1, thinking flint HS + range / and a fucking global skill dmg shield / attack buff?

S2 just makes OP ass agility heroes like this and myrmidon with all the skills in the world, shitty int heroes like empath, and shitty ass str heroes. They're trying to be original, but their concepts of heroes are shit. Learn from icefrog and balance the game.

Why even import sniper if your going to make this shit?

doesnt look that OP, i dont really play HoN though. seems like a carry version of vs/andromeda with 1.5x the utility but with no swap

although i suppose it all depends...




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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
August 09 2011 04:05 GMT
#29429
On August 09 2011 11:41 zoLo wrote:
Swiftblade and Pyro are easy heroes too.

Oh yeah, definitely swiftblade. Pyro idk.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
August 09 2011 04:10 GMT
#29430
i find playing support is harder than playing carrys. all carry have to do is farm all game, tp when your needed other lanes. ez 400gpm.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
August 09 2011 04:12 GMT
#29431
On August 09 2011 12:46 semantics wrote:
yup ice frog balance master it's why this shows that every hero is played about the same amount and not just a select chuck of heroes.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/11378-dota-drafting-statistics
herp

You chose something from 1 YEAR ago, about Competitive-only hero drafts with what probably isn't even a large enough sample size to say much about win rates. Did you have a point here?
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
August 09 2011 04:15 GMT
#29432
On August 09 2011 13:12 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 12:46 semantics wrote:
yup ice frog balance master it's why this shows that every hero is played about the same amount and not just a select chuck of heroes.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/11378-dota-drafting-statistics
herp

You chose something from 1 YEAR ago, about Competitive-only hero drafts with what probably isn't even a large enough sample size to say much about win rates. Did you have a point here?


If the point he was making is that people overate how Icefrog balances things, he's correct. Not saying he's worse than S2 though. Even though that articles from a year ago a lot of the trends are still true. The sample size is pretty damn small though.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 04:20:02
August 09 2011 04:19 GMT
#29433
On August 09 2011 13:12 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 12:46 semantics wrote:
yup ice frog balance master it's why this shows that every hero is played about the same amount and not just a select chuck of heroes.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/11378-dota-drafting-statistics
herp

You chose something from 1 YEAR ago, about Competitive-only hero drafts with what probably isn't even a large enough sample size to say much about win rates. Did you have a point here?

im not going to compile the data my self and all

FBB.Fatal analysed 109 competitive DotA replays from our database and published the figures.


109 competitive only games not good enough for you? 109 is plenty to find trends esp when it's 10 heroes a game + bans =p

Thats 1090 hero picks and what bans have been at 6 8 for the longest time so what 654-872 banning in drafts. The point stands that ice frog has never made a really balanced game it's basically spit in half or 1/3rd of usable heroes it's actually very similar to hon. 1 year old sure it's dota so it's changed a lot but based on how much it changes with that kind of attitude you could never compile enough data because they map will change by then.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
August 09 2011 04:22 GMT
#29434
So his idea of balance is all the heroes are used equally in competitive? I don't think that's even a balance goal for S2 OR Icefrog. Of course there'll be mainstays / counterpicks / situational picks. There's a game where all the units are picked equally: checkers.

If he wanted to talk about balance, something like this would be more telling:
Dota-League Stats Most of the heroes are in the 40-60% winrrate range, which I think is pretty good. Broodmother is a very skill intensive hero, whereas phoenix and lycan takes above average skill to play against thanks to their good escape abilities, explaining their high winrates. Overall I think it's not a bad spread; if you notice the heroes with low play counts, they're usually heroes that require a lot of micro, so it makes sense that they're not used as often in PUGs.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Viperskwa
Profile Joined July 2009
United States106 Posts
August 09 2011 04:23 GMT
#29435
BACK EVERYTHING UP.

Where do I get the full song from the ending of the hero spotlight. It was a sick remake and I want it. I want it now. :D
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 04:30:16
August 09 2011 04:29 GMT
#29436
How could you call a game with character selections that aren't valid in a competitive scene balanced? Perfect balance would be all heroes are viable for their given roles. that's impossible so you expect tiers to pop up but how drastic the tiers are between top and low is what makes a game balanced.

It's like saying SC1 is balanced when you can only use 1/3rd of the units in the game because the rest are so situational/bad in general use.

That would mean as terran you would only ever want o use about 4 5 units including the scv so basically sparks terran the only viable build to ever do.

I'm not saying it's broken shit i'm just saying saying HoN and Dota are very similar in terms of balance.
Nancomerian
Profile Joined March 2010
Serbia18 Posts
August 09 2011 04:33 GMT
#29437
On August 09 2011 12:29 Suffo wrote:
s2 is so dumb... They just making some imbalanced hero so they can cash in on it from people who will buy it for early access before dota 2 shits on the game. What kind of carry hero has a stun/push back (escape) nuke / aoe farm skill (cloud or lightning THAT SLOWS TOO) / op passive thats like 2 in 1, thinking flint HS + range / and a fucking global skill dmg shield / attack buff?

S2 just makes OP ass agility heroes like this and myrmidon with all the skills in the world, shitty int heroes like empath, and shitty ass str heroes. They're trying to be original, but their concepts of heroes are shit. Learn from icefrog and balance the game.

Why even import sniper if your going to make this shit?



do I feel hate in here? why so mad?
SSDD
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
August 09 2011 04:34 GMT
#29438
On August 09 2011 13:29 semantics wrote:
How could you call a game with character selections that aren't valid in a competitive scene balanced? Perfect balance would be all heroes are viable for their given roles. that's impossible so you expect tiers to pop up but how drastic the tiers are between top and low is what makes a game balanced.

It's like saying SC1 is balanced when you can only use 1/3rd of the units in the game because the rest are so situational/bad in general use.

That would mean as terran you would only ever want o use about 4 5 units including the scv so basically sparks terran the only viable build to ever do.

I'm not saying it's broken shit i'm just saying saying HoN and Dota are very similar in terms of balance.


I'm not sure what you're saying with that broodwar comparison. It IS true that many of the units are not viable in specific matchups. With any XvZ, there's only a fraction of the units that come out in 99% of the games. Are you saying this is not balanced?
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 09 2011 04:35 GMT
#29439
On August 09 2011 13:15 NotJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 13:12 5-s wrote:
On August 09 2011 12:46 semantics wrote:
yup ice frog balance master it's why this shows that every hero is played about the same amount and not just a select chuck of heroes.
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/11378-dota-drafting-statistics
herp

You chose something from 1 YEAR ago, about Competitive-only hero drafts with what probably isn't even a large enough sample size to say much about win rates. Did you have a point here?


If the point he was making is that people overate how Icefrog balances things, he's correct. Not saying he's worse than S2 though. Even though that articles from a year ago a lot of the trends are still true. The sample size is pretty damn small though.


One of the important point in balance is about making all the heroes unique and equally appealing to us players. Icefrog did a GREAT job. unlike this new hero from s2 ._. putting 8skills on 1 hero is just messy. very messy.

i think s2 is on Panic mode now. Monkey King came out barely 2 weeks and now this. I am so glad dota2 is coming out soon.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
August 09 2011 04:40 GMT
#29440
s2 thinks people like button mashing is all.
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