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Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
July 09 2011 06:18 GMT
#27581
On July 09 2011 15:07 Jayme wrote:
breaky shines when he has someone like black, freshpro, fly, or insert other good pro here that can cast to co.cast with him. Breaky does really good play by play and just needs the wise sage to interject their wisdom and it's fine.

agree also I think he has a great casting voice.
I'd say my main problem is with when someone co-casts and they get put on the spot by breaky, then an awkward silence ensues.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 09 2011 06:21 GMT
#27582
On July 09 2011 14:43 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 14:29 Alur wrote:
On July 09 2011 14:16 GhostKorean wrote:
Apparently a lot people really like breakycpk so good for him I guess.

I look at breaky as a neccesary evil, I consider him to be significantly better than the other HoN casters out there (Excluding competitive players). But in general, there is a void in the western HoN/Dota world when it comes to casters, Tobiwan is nothing but loud, Synderen lacks proffesionalism and excitement - I for one would welcome some fresh talent in the scene.
As far as people liking him, I just think that people recognize that he is the best we have to offer.


and in China we have people like FTD/LGD.2009 commentating DOTA
<3

2009 was entertaining for a replay but i dont know if hes a good yeller. i think the flow of commentators on chinese streams seem to be pretty balanced.

i think too many people wanted to forget tobiwan/kellymilkies, the worst commentating duo that has ever graced dota
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
July 09 2011 08:39 GMT
#27583
= - I'm not really liking the changes S2 has been making... I feel their main/unique point that they had over LoL and even DotA 2 was that they mixed their own (good...ish) heroes with dota's, but now I feel (though I'm not playing it much atm ><...in favor of SC2....) they are changing wayyy too many things, (I mean, I'm not sure why they keep the secret shop location/observatory, what's the freaking point of the observatory, sure sure, more wards, but..... what), etc. = =;
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
July 09 2011 08:43 GMT
#27584
Afaik they're not allowed to port any more dota heroes or else they would have potted over the whole cast.
Removing secret shop has 0 impact on gameplay and anyone that claims the secret shop added a layer of strategy to the game are 1700 idiots that think they are the shit at the game
I'm pretty sure the observatory is a joke (u guys wards r gud)
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
July 09 2011 08:51 GMT
#27585
Breaky makes me facepalm so hard he has the knowledge of a 1500 player


Umm BreakyCPK IS a 1500 player.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 09 2011 08:57 GMT
#27586
On July 09 2011 17:43 GhostKorean wrote:
Afaik they're not allowed to port any more dota heroes or else they would have potted over the whole cast.
Removing secret shop has 0 impact on gameplay and anyone that claims the secret shop added a layer of strategy to the game are 1700 idiots that think they are the shit at the game
I'm pretty sure the observatory is a joke (u guys wards r gud)

it has an impact on the game, just not a big one. and anyway, if dota did that techies would be more boring to play
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
July 09 2011 09:16 GMT
#27587
On July 09 2011 15:18 Gak2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 15:07 Jayme wrote:
breaky shines when he has someone like black, freshpro, fly, or insert other good pro here that can cast to co.cast with him. Breaky does really good play by play and just needs the wise sage to interject their wisdom and it's fine.

agree also I think he has a great casting voice.
I'd say my main problem is with when someone co-casts and they get put on the spot by breaky, then an awkward silence ensues.

Yeah that cast with Phill and Tralf was pretty hard to listen to but that is the co-casters in experience. I really like breaky's play by play during big battles he really is able to catch a lot of what is going on
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Alaron
Profile Joined August 2010
United States225 Posts
July 09 2011 09:21 GMT
#27588
On July 09 2011 17:51 wonderwall wrote:
Show nested quote +
Breaky makes me facepalm so hard he has the knowledge of a 1500 player


Umm BreakyCPK IS a 1500 player.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


He is actually quite a bit higher. He doesn't play on the breakycpk account though.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
July 09 2011 09:53 GMT
#27589
I assumed breaky played on another account so people wouldn't bother him

What exacty does the secret shop do aside from delaying some item for a minute? No idiot is going to get their flying courier killed while buying something
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 09 2011 11:16 GMT
#27590
On July 09 2011 18:53 GhostKorean wrote:
I assumed breaky played on another account so people wouldn't bother him

What exacty does the secret shop do aside from delaying some item for a minute? No idiot is going to get their flying courier killed while buying something

You've obviously never watched FTD vs KS.

Also it's one of those areas you can easily lose the game against at least psuedo push lineup if the long or mid lane gets pushed (short/mid lane tower positions, how far away depends on how long game is and of course, lineups) and you lose a team fight there, I've seen this sometimes and it's a huge, huge blunder to do. Secret shop just adds another layer of interesting to get more expensive items.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 11:28:27
July 09 2011 11:27 GMT
#27591
lol nvm but secret shops are awesome, wait there with an invis rune
hoorah
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 11:36:18
July 09 2011 11:35 GMT
#27592
Removal of secret shop makes turtling with a carry stronger, it used to be possible for you to push up outside their rax and if you couldn't push in just ward around the shop and prevent them from ever getting their 2500 gold items, rendering their farm effectively useless. Granted it rarely happened but it was definitely a factor in a fair amount of games.

I think it was a fair change though, as they nerfed turtling in a lot of different ways (widened ramps, etc.)
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
July 09 2011 12:03 GMT
#27593

Removal of secret shop makes turtling with a carry stronger, it used to be possible for you to push up outside their rax and if you couldn't push in just ward around the shop and prevent them from ever getting their 2500 gold items, rendering their farm effectively useless. Granted it rarely happened but it was definitely a factor in a fair amount of games.


When did that ever occur? With winged courier speed and invulnerability that seems incredibly unlikely.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 14:15:01
July 09 2011 14:11 GMT
#27594
On July 09 2011 20:16 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 18:53 GhostKorean wrote:
I assumed breaky played on another account so people wouldn't bother him

What exacty does the secret shop do aside from delaying some item for a minute? No idiot is going to get their flying courier killed while buying something

You've obviously never watched FTD vs KS.

Also it's one of those areas you can easily lose the game against at least psuedo push lineup if the long or mid lane gets pushed (short/mid lane tower positions, how far away depends on how long game is and of course, lineups) and you lose a team fight there, I've seen this sometimes and it's a huge, huge blunder to do. Secret shop just adds another layer of interesting to get more expensive items.

On July 09 2011 20:27 stanley_ wrote:
lol nvm but secret shops are awesome, wait there with an invis rune

On July 09 2011 20:35 Nevuk wrote:
Removal of secret shop makes turtling with a carry stronger, it used to be possible for you to push up outside their rax and if you couldn't push in just ward around the shop and prevent them from ever getting their 2500 gold items, rendering their farm effectively useless. Granted it rarely happened but it was definitely a factor in a fair amount of games.

I think it was a fair change though, as they nerfed turtling in a lot of different ways (widened ramps, etc.)

Flying courier????
Rabidch your point has nothing to do with the actual shop but rather the position of the shop on the map
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
July 09 2011 14:34 GMT
#27595
On July 09 2011 21:03 wonderwall wrote:

Show nested quote +
Removal of secret shop makes turtling with a carry stronger, it used to be possible for you to push up outside their rax and if you couldn't push in just ward around the shop and prevent them from ever getting their 2500 gold items, rendering their farm effectively useless. Granted it rarely happened but it was definitely a factor in a fair amount of games.


When did that ever occur? With winged courier speed and invulnerability that seems incredibly unlikely.

Disregarding the risk associated with sending out courier with no map control, you still have to account for travel time. Meaning if you can afford a crucial item just as your opponents are killing your rax - you're in trouble. In addition to that I just found courier usage at those stages akward, especially in tense situations.
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GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
July 09 2011 14:46 GMT
#27596
On July 09 2011 23:34 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 21:03 wonderwall wrote:

Removal of secret shop makes turtling with a carry stronger, it used to be possible for you to push up outside their rax and if you couldn't push in just ward around the shop and prevent them from ever getting their 2500 gold items, rendering their farm effectively useless. Granted it rarely happened but it was definitely a factor in a fair amount of games.


When did that ever occur? With winged courier speed and invulnerability that seems incredibly unlikely.

Disregarding the risk associated with sending out courier with no map control, you still have to account for travel time. Meaning if you can afford a crucial item just as your opponents are killing your rax - you're in trouble. In addition to that I just found courier usage at those stages akward, especially in tense situations.

The only bad thing I could think of about the secret shop was it takes a bit longer to get your items, so yes this might pose a problem. Sending out a courier without map control shouldn't be that big of a problem because you can send it through the trees on the left lol
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 09 2011 15:47 GMT
#27597
On July 09 2011 15:21 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 14:43 Kupon3ss wrote:
On July 09 2011 14:29 Alur wrote:
On July 09 2011 14:16 GhostKorean wrote:
Apparently a lot people really like breakycpk so good for him I guess.

I look at breaky as a neccesary evil, I consider him to be significantly better than the other HoN casters out there (Excluding competitive players). But in general, there is a void in the western HoN/Dota world when it comes to casters, Tobiwan is nothing but loud, Synderen lacks proffesionalism and excitement - I for one would welcome some fresh talent in the scene.
As far as people liking him, I just think that people recognize that he is the best we have to offer.


and in China we have people like FTD/LGD.2009 commentating DOTA
<3

2009 was entertaining for a replay but i dont know if hes a good yeller. i think the flow of commentators on chinese streams seem to be pretty balanced.

i think too many people wanted to forget tobiwan/kellymilkies, the worst commentating duo that has ever graced dota


I had a great time listening to 2009 cast the games. I found the banter to be pretty balanced between solid analysis and color commentary, really giving deep commentary without speaking down to the viewer.

For me, the most litmus test on the quality of the commentator is their take on SF play since SF mid game play is so open and many players have different takes on how to go about it.

You know who's a manly caster? Hitomi, too bad he isn't as involved with the scene
Get it by your hands...
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
July 09 2011 15:54 GMT
#27598
Did any of you catch that cast where Dendi explained his SF play?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 09 2011 18:13 GMT
#27599
Is Behemoth with mana ring good? I keep getting told its terrible, but I remember it a long time ago as being a pretty good move.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
July 09 2011 18:34 GMT
#27600
On July 10 2011 03:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
Is Behemoth with mana ring good? I keep getting told its terrible, but I remember it a long time ago as being a pretty good move.

Blood chalice serves the same purpose but for a much lower price, this helps you get a faster PK which is the "end all be all" for Behemoth. Back when there was no chalice people usually resorted to mana-ring or bottle.
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