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On June 12 2011 22:56 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 20:26 rabidch wrote:On June 12 2011 20:11 Lrkr85 wrote:
I don't really follow the scene anymore, but just tried to watch this out of curiousity. This may be the first time I see battlefury in a competitive chinese game. And the gondar pick is rare enough as is o.o
Edit: and the SC2 finals was before this? dota must be really big in China now :O (or is SC2 just starting to take off?) dota is really big, the esports scene is very big in china now, which was why the china wcg turnout was huge and one OSL final and now a PL final was held in china. i dont like the bfury on bh too much, but it works with jinada well iirc the 4 games at starswars is sc2, dota, lol, wc3 enchantress walking around without boots... lol this is a really strong "roam" lineup, excellent execution by LGD. going to sleep now. Bfury progression on BH is too good to pass up. Any of the 5 parts helps BH in some way.
i dont like it too much as it gives him no immediate HP since he's a bit of a paper hero that has to depend on kiting and wind walk
i watched a bit of game 2, not worth it. going up against doom twice is no fun and im not sure what ehome was trying to do that game.
ehome vs ccm games 2 and 3 and lgd vs ehome game 1 are the games to watch.
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On June 13 2011 06:28 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 22:56 Judicator wrote:On June 12 2011 20:26 rabidch wrote:On June 12 2011 20:11 Lrkr85 wrote:
I don't really follow the scene anymore, but just tried to watch this out of curiousity. This may be the first time I see battlefury in a competitive chinese game. And the gondar pick is rare enough as is o.o
Edit: and the SC2 finals was before this? dota must be really big in China now :O (or is SC2 just starting to take off?) dota is really big, the esports scene is very big in china now, which was why the china wcg turnout was huge and one OSL final and now a PL final was held in china. i dont like the bfury on bh too much, but it works with jinada well iirc the 4 games at starswars is sc2, dota, lol, wc3 enchantress walking around without boots... lol this is a really strong "roam" lineup, excellent execution by LGD. going to sleep now. Bfury progression on BH is too good to pass up. Any of the 5 parts helps BH in some way. i dont like it too much as it gives him no immediate HP since he's a bit of a paper hero that has to depend on kiting and wind walk i watched a bit of game 2, not worth it. going up against doom twice is no fun and im not sure what ehome was trying to do that game. ehome vs ccm games 2 and 3 and lgd vs ehome game 1 are the games to watch.
You just gotta show up late as fuck to the party a la 6.27 Clinkz. The casting range on Track is good enough for you to position yourself safely.
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gondar build is 4 wraith bands phase boots tp until you have bkb
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If there is one hero who should make Bfury, its gondar. More than anything, he is a ganker, so he needs that burst damage, and the regen gives him enough mana to actually cast his spells.
Sure, he could use the HP, but that's less important. He shouldn't initiate, sit in the middle of a team fight or turtle in lane. There are far more fragile heroes anyway - starting armor of 6 is great and 17+1.8 STR is average for a non strength hero.
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On June 13 2011 09:15 LxRogue wrote:
If there is one hero who should make Bfury, its gondar. More than anything, he is a ganker, so he needs that burst damage, and the regen gives him enough mana to actually cast his spells.
Sure, he could use the HP, but that's less important. He shouldn't initiate, sit in the middle of a team fight or turtle in lane. There are far more fragile heroes anyway - starting armor of 6 is great and 17+1.8 STR is average for a non strength hero.
He's actually not a ganker...even though his skill set screams so, he's not. Any hero requiring level 6 to be an effective ganker is not a ganker...he's a semi-carry along the same vein of PotM, you can think him as a melee version of PotM (or vice versa).
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On June 12 2011 07:29 GhostKorean wrote:
I really want to know what I did that made everyone know me
Seriously who the hell are these random people that message me and know me
ITS MAKING ME ANGRY
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Btw sick guide ziggy. haven't tried kutting the F***** tree jet tho
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Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.
Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights.
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On June 13 2011 10:38 LxRogue wrote:
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.
Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights.
NA is a ganker because he DOESN'T NEED his ultimate. He's already a beast with the 3 spells given. and anyway putting heroes into rigid defind roles is dumb idea
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On June 13 2011 08:52 tube wrote:
gondar build is 4 wraith bands phase boots tp until you have bkb
you forgot dagon.
Get that burst damage!!!
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On June 13 2011 09:53 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 09:15 LxRogue wrote:
If there is one hero who should make Bfury, its gondar. More than anything, he is a ganker, so he needs that burst damage, and the regen gives him enough mana to actually cast his spells.
Sure, he could use the HP, but that's less important. He shouldn't initiate, sit in the middle of a team fight or turtle in lane. There are far more fragile heroes anyway - starting armor of 6 is great and 17+1.8 STR is average for a non strength hero. He's actually not a ganker...even though his skill set screams so, he's not. Any hero requiring level 6 to be an effective ganker is not a ganker...he's a semi-carry along the same vein of PotM, you can think him as a melee version of PotM (or vice versa).
And unfortunately hes not even a good semi carry
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On June 13 2011 10:38 LxRogue wrote:
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.
Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights.
So you're gonna use a hero that requires:
1. Levels
2. Items
3. No reliable snares
4. One of the worst early game skill progressions
as a ganker?
Yeah...focusing down supports is common strategy for everyone...
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Actually he is a beastly semi-carry. Jinada is stupid once it's leveled up.
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On June 13 2011 11:34 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 10:38 LxRogue wrote:
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.
Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights. So you're gonna use a hero that requires: 1. Levels 2. Items 3. No reliable snares4. One of the worst early game skill progressions as a ganker? ...
I want one of those
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Most heroes are good once they start maxing out all their skills. Like you said hes the melee equivelant of PotM which automatically makes him worse for being melee.
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i dunno about anybody else but i noticed somebody said battlefury requires 5 parts..
it takes 4 :x
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On June 13 2011 10:45 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 10:38 LxRogue wrote:
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.
Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights. NA is a ganker because he DOESN'T NEED his ultimate. He's already a beast with the 3 spells given. and anyway putting heroes into rigid defind roles is dumb idea
ur an idiot NA is a semicarry because he's agi same as gondar u get agi items cuz thats his main stat and agi scales the best out of all the stats in the game b/c it adds dmg and atk spd GOSH kids these days
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On June 13 2011 11:46 Az0r_au wrote:
Most heroes are good once they start maxing out all their skills. Like you said hes the melee equivelant of PotM which automatically makes him worse for being melee.
Uh, no. PotM doesn't have a free crit/snare that stacks with items that makes him stupid good. PotM on the other hand gets weaker as the game progresses.
They have different timings for being dominant, BH is just later in the game than PotM. Being melee bestows some benefits, namely the MKB interactions.
Also, I can't count or type. 
BFury is 4 parts, and BH has a shitty snare.
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On June 13 2011 11:46 Az0r_au wrote:
Most heroes are good once they start maxing out all their skills. Like you said hes the melee equivelant of PotM which automatically makes him worse for being melee.
The LoL thread is here
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On June 13 2011 11:55 Judicator wrote:
Uh, no. PotM doesn't have a free crit/snare that stacks with items that makes him stupid good. PotM on the other hand gets weaker as the game progresses.
On June 13 2011 09:53 Judicator wrote:
He's actually not a ganker...even though his skill set screams so, he's not. Any hero requiring level 6 to be an effective ganker is not a ganker...he's a semi-carry along the same vein of PotM, you can think him as a melee version of PotM (or vice versa).
lolwut. I ment the same thing you did, they both fill a semi carry role except potm is powerful thru all stages of the game where bh is pretty weak early game.
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On June 13 2011 12:16 Az0r_au wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 11:55 Judicator wrote:
Uh, no. PotM doesn't have a free crit/snare that stacks with items that makes him stupid good. PotM on the other hand gets weaker as the game progresses.
Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 09:53 Judicator wrote:
He's actually not a ganker...even though his skill set screams so, he's not. Any hero requiring level 6 to be an effective ganker is not a ganker...he's a semi-carry along the same vein of PotM, you can think him as a melee version of PotM (or vice versa). lolwut. I ment the same thing you did, they both fill a semi carry role except potm is powerful thru all stages of the game where bh is pretty weak early game.
PotM isn't though, her item progression is stupidly bad right now. Bottle literally is like the only early game item you can afford that will fulfill your needs. You need to play offensively to make use of Arrow and thanks to Dust, her ultimate isn't all that great. Literally, the best analogy for PotM is the old (pre-change) Panda. Panda was used heavily for a period of time then literally fell off the face of the earth because the penalties for missing stomp was brutal, the same applies for Arrow right now, except PotM is even more dependent on the Rune control.
You are saying BH is worse than PotM when I am saying he is more likely to be better. PotM just needs so much to go right in order to be effective. Most of the time, the game goes to some kind of stalled state and PotM gets a chance to farm.
Edit:
I see where you are getting caught up. I said the same vein as PotM as in they can both carry/gank to some extent, but they have vastly different timings and windows.
Edit2:
Read rabidch's post.
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Yeah I didn't mean they have similar skills just that they both are semi carries that can gank. When you say more likely to get better you mean teams will explore his potential and discover new strategies where potm's options have been pretty much exhausted?
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