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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 12 2011 21:28 GMT
#26681
On June 12 2011 22:56 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 20:26 rabidch wrote:
On June 12 2011 20:11 Lrkr85 wrote:
I don't really follow the scene anymore, but just tried to watch this out of curiousity. This may be the first time I see battlefury in a competitive chinese game. And the gondar pick is rare enough as is o.o

Edit: and the SC2 finals was before this? dota must be really big in China now :O (or is SC2 just starting to take off?)

dota is really big, the esports scene is very big in china now, which was why the china wcg turnout was huge and one OSL final and now a PL final was held in china.

i dont like the bfury on bh too much, but it works with jinada well

iirc the 4 games at starswars is sc2, dota, lol, wc3



enchantress walking around without boots... lol
this is a really strong "roam" lineup, excellent execution by LGD.

going to sleep now.


Bfury progression on BH is too good to pass up. Any of the 5 parts helps BH in some way.

i dont like it too much as it gives him no immediate HP since he's a bit of a paper hero that has to depend on kiting and wind walk

i watched a bit of game 2, not worth it. going up against doom twice is no fun and im not sure what ehome was trying to do that game.

ehome vs ccm games 2 and 3 and lgd vs ehome game 1 are the games to watch.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 12 2011 21:33 GMT
#26682
On June 13 2011 06:28 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 22:56 Judicator wrote:
On June 12 2011 20:26 rabidch wrote:
On June 12 2011 20:11 Lrkr85 wrote:
I don't really follow the scene anymore, but just tried to watch this out of curiousity. This may be the first time I see battlefury in a competitive chinese game. And the gondar pick is rare enough as is o.o

Edit: and the SC2 finals was before this? dota must be really big in China now :O (or is SC2 just starting to take off?)

dota is really big, the esports scene is very big in china now, which was why the china wcg turnout was huge and one OSL final and now a PL final was held in china.

i dont like the bfury on bh too much, but it works with jinada well

iirc the 4 games at starswars is sc2, dota, lol, wc3



enchantress walking around without boots... lol
this is a really strong "roam" lineup, excellent execution by LGD.

going to sleep now.


Bfury progression on BH is too good to pass up. Any of the 5 parts helps BH in some way.

i dont like it too much as it gives him no immediate HP since he's a bit of a paper hero that has to depend on kiting and wind walk

i watched a bit of game 2, not worth it. going up against doom twice is no fun and im not sure what ehome was trying to do that game.

ehome vs ccm games 2 and 3 and lgd vs ehome game 1 are the games to watch.


You just gotta show up late as fuck to the party a la 6.27 Clinkz. The casting range on Track is good enough for you to position yourself safely.
Get it by your hands...
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 23:53:56
June 12 2011 23:52 GMT
#26683
gondar build is 4 wraith bands phase boots tp until you have bkb
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
June 13 2011 00:15 GMT
#26684
If there is one hero who should make Bfury, its gondar. More than anything, he is a ganker, so he needs that burst damage, and the regen gives him enough mana to actually cast his spells.

Sure, he could use the HP, but that's less important. He shouldn't initiate, sit in the middle of a team fight or turtle in lane. There are far more fragile heroes anyway - starting armor of 6 is great and 17+1.8 STR is average for a non strength hero.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 13 2011 00:53 GMT
#26685
On June 13 2011 09:15 LxRogue wrote:
If there is one hero who should make Bfury, its gondar. More than anything, he is a ganker, so he needs that burst damage, and the regen gives him enough mana to actually cast his spells.

Sure, he could use the HP, but that's less important. He shouldn't initiate, sit in the middle of a team fight or turtle in lane. There are far more fragile heroes anyway - starting armor of 6 is great and 17+1.8 STR is average for a non strength hero.


He's actually not a ganker...even though his skill set screams so, he's not. Any hero requiring level 6 to be an effective ganker is not a ganker...he's a semi-carry along the same vein of PotM, you can think him as a melee version of PotM (or vice versa).
Get it by your hands...
Vain
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 01:34:58
June 13 2011 01:30 GMT
#26686
On June 12 2011 07:29 GhostKorean wrote:
I really want to know what I did that made everyone know me

Seriously who the hell are these random people that message me and know me
ITS MAKING ME ANGRY


YoYo ghost, sup?

+ Show Spoiler +
j/k


Btw sick guide ziggy. haven't tried kutting the F***** tree jet tho
Battle.net 2.0 is a waiter and he's a dick
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
June 13 2011 01:38 GMT
#26687
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.

Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 13 2011 01:45 GMT
#26688
On June 13 2011 10:38 LxRogue wrote:
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.

Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights.

NA is a ganker because he DOESN'T NEED his ultimate. He's already a beast with the 3 spells given. and anyway putting heroes into rigid defind roles is dumb idea
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
June 13 2011 01:55 GMT
#26689
On June 13 2011 08:52 tube wrote:
gondar build is 4 wraith bands phase boots tp until you have bkb

you forgot dagon.
Get that burst damage!!!
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
June 13 2011 02:26 GMT
#26690
On June 13 2011 09:53 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 09:15 LxRogue wrote:
If there is one hero who should make Bfury, its gondar. More than anything, he is a ganker, so he needs that burst damage, and the regen gives him enough mana to actually cast his spells.

Sure, he could use the HP, but that's less important. He shouldn't initiate, sit in the middle of a team fight or turtle in lane. There are far more fragile heroes anyway - starting armor of 6 is great and 17+1.8 STR is average for a non strength hero.


He's actually not a ganker...even though his skill set screams so, he's not. Any hero requiring level 6 to be an effective ganker is not a ganker...he's a semi-carry along the same vein of PotM, you can think him as a melee version of PotM (or vice versa).


And unfortunately hes not even a good semi carry
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 02:35:56
June 13 2011 02:34 GMT
#26691
On June 13 2011 10:38 LxRogue wrote:
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.

Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights.


So you're gonna use a hero that requires:

1. Levels
2. Items
3. No reliable snares
4. One of the worst early game skill progressions

as a ganker?

Yeah...focusing down supports is common strategy for everyone...

Edit:

Actually he is a beastly semi-carry. Jinada is stupid once it's leveled up.
Get it by your hands...
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
June 13 2011 02:43 GMT
#26692
On June 13 2011 11:34 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 10:38 LxRogue wrote:
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.

Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights.


So you're gonna use a hero that requires:

1. Levels
2. Items
3. No reliable snares
4. One of the worst early game skill progressions

as a ganker?
...

I want one of those
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
June 13 2011 02:46 GMT
#26693
Most heroes are good once they start maxing out all their skills. Like you said hes the melee equivelant of PotM which automatically makes him worse for being melee.
Mikey
Profile Joined January 2011
United States277 Posts
June 13 2011 02:47 GMT
#26694
i dunno about anybody else but i noticed somebody said battlefury requires 5 parts..
it takes 4 :x
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GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
June 13 2011 02:53 GMT
#26695
On June 13 2011 10:45 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 10:38 LxRogue wrote:
Battlefury takes a whole lot longer to get than level 6 - ganks are happening for the entire game anyway. Would you say nerubian assassin isn't a ganker because he actually requires level 6 to do anything? Track is a great spell but you can still get kills before level 6.

Sure he is a semi carry. But calling him a ganker refers to how he should be participating in fights.

NA is a ganker because he DOESN'T NEED his ultimate. He's already a beast with the 3 spells given. and anyway putting heroes into rigid defind roles is dumb idea

ur an idiot NA is a semicarry because he's agi same as gondar u get agi items cuz thats his main stat and agi scales the best out of all the stats in the game b/c it adds dmg and atk spd GOSH kids these days
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 13 2011 02:55 GMT
#26696
On June 13 2011 11:46 Az0r_au wrote:
Most heroes are good once they start maxing out all their skills. Like you said hes the melee equivelant of PotM which automatically makes him worse for being melee.


Uh, no. PotM doesn't have a free crit/snare that stacks with items that makes him stupid good. PotM on the other hand gets weaker as the game progresses.

They have different timings for being dominant, BH is just later in the game than PotM. Being melee bestows some benefits, namely the MKB interactions.

Also, I can't count or type.

BFury is 4 parts, and BH has a shitty snare.
Get it by your hands...
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
June 13 2011 03:05 GMT
#26697
On June 13 2011 11:46 Az0r_au wrote:
Most heroes are good once they start maxing out all their skills. Like you said hes the melee equivelant of PotM which automatically makes him worse for being melee.

The LoL thread is here
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
June 13 2011 03:16 GMT
#26698
On June 13 2011 11:55 Judicator wrote:
Uh, no. PotM doesn't have a free crit/snare that stacks with items that makes him stupid good. PotM on the other hand gets weaker as the game progresses.



On June 13 2011 09:53 Judicator wrote:
He's actually not a ganker...even though his skill set screams so, he's not. Any hero requiring level 6 to be an effective ganker is not a ganker...he's a semi-carry along the same vein of PotM, you can think him as a melee version of PotM (or vice versa).


lolwut. I ment the same thing you did, they both fill a semi carry role except potm is powerful thru all stages of the game where bh is pretty weak early game.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 03:38:04
June 13 2011 03:30 GMT
#26699
On June 13 2011 12:16 Az0r_au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 11:55 Judicator wrote:
Uh, no. PotM doesn't have a free crit/snare that stacks with items that makes him stupid good. PotM on the other hand gets weaker as the game progresses.



Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 09:53 Judicator wrote:
He's actually not a ganker...even though his skill set screams so, he's not. Any hero requiring level 6 to be an effective ganker is not a ganker...he's a semi-carry along the same vein of PotM, you can think him as a melee version of PotM (or vice versa).


lolwut. I ment the same thing you did, they both fill a semi carry role except potm is powerful thru all stages of the game where bh is pretty weak early game.


PotM isn't though, her item progression is stupidly bad right now. Bottle literally is like the only early game item you can afford that will fulfill your needs. You need to play offensively to make use of Arrow and thanks to Dust, her ultimate isn't all that great. Literally, the best analogy for PotM is the old (pre-change) Panda. Panda was used heavily for a period of time then literally fell off the face of the earth because the penalties for missing stomp was brutal, the same applies for Arrow right now, except PotM is even more dependent on the Rune control.

You are saying BH is worse than PotM when I am saying he is more likely to be better. PotM just needs so much to go right in order to be effective. Most of the time, the game goes to some kind of stalled state and PotM gets a chance to farm.

Edit:

I see where you are getting caught up. I said the same vein as PotM as in they can both carry/gank to some extent, but they have vastly different timings and windows.

Edit2:

Read rabidch's post.
Get it by your hands...
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
June 13 2011 03:47 GMT
#26700
Yeah I didn't mean they have similar skills just that they both are semi carries that can gank. When you say more likely to get better you mean teams will explore his potential and discover new strategies where potm's options have been pretty much exhausted?
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