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Glull
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany404 Posts
April 26 2011 02:42 GMT
#25201
i dont use shop hotkeys because it doesnt give you any relevant speed advantage and can hugely screw you if you fight and shop at the same time at the outpost. i only shift+rclick to essentially abuse the eternal unfixed bug of non-channeling tps.
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 04:34:17
April 26 2011 04:34 GMT
#25202
EG vs DWI so tense. Amazing game.
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
April 26 2011 04:49 GMT
#25203
On April 26 2011 11:42 Glull wrote:
i dont use shop hotkeys because it doesnt give you any relevant speed advantage and can hugely screw you if you fight and shop at the same time at the outpost. i only shift+rclick to essentially abuse the eternal unfixed bug of non-channeling tps.


can you explain what you mean about the non-channeling tps?
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
Glull
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany404 Posts
April 26 2011 05:23 GMT
#25204
if you move a channeling item to your stash with ctrl+rclick while channeling it, the spell will finish casting as long as you dont take the item back to your inventory. it allows you to have six item slots filled and still be able to tp from your base, and some really mean stuff like this:

On March 28 2011 15:15 JeeJee wrote:
So. Magmus.
Too early for pk
Other team pushing your tower hard, you are planning to defend. you're at fountain ready to TP in

option a) TP in, stun, try and get your ult off somehow

option b) TP in, move TP to stash, channel your ult, TP in with ult activated = epic

Note: does not work on alt avatar magmus (made a fking retard of myself today trying to show this off and it NEVER worked and i couldn't figure out why. LOL)

wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
April 26 2011 05:45 GMT
#25205
EG DWI going into a game 3. I missed game 1 but EG looked pretty dominant game 2 and had a significant lead for most of the game.
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
April 26 2011 06:01 GMT
#25206
On April 26 2011 14:23 Glull wrote:
if you move a channeling item to your stash with ctrl+rclick while channeling it, the spell will finish casting as long as you dont take the item back to your inventory. it allows you to have six item slots filled and still be able to tp from your base, and some really mean stuff like this:

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 15:15 JeeJee wrote:
So. Magmus.
Too early for pk
Other team pushing your tower hard, you are planning to defend. you're at fountain ready to TP in

option a) TP in, stun, try and get your ult off somehow

option b) TP in, move TP to stash, channel your ult, TP in with ult activated = epic

Note: does not work on alt avatar magmus (made a fking retard of myself today trying to show this off and it NEVER worked and i couldn't figure out why. LOL)



wowow k so just to get it straight..

you tp into the tower, move the tp to stash (with ctrl+rclick), and then to channel your ult, you just activate your ult? activating your ult wont cancel the tp? =_____=
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
April 26 2011 06:06 GMT
#25207
On April 26 2011 15:01 BlueRoyaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 14:23 Glull wrote:
if you move a channeling item to your stash with ctrl+rclick while channeling it, the spell will finish casting as long as you dont take the item back to your inventory. it allows you to have six item slots filled and still be able to tp from your base, and some really mean stuff like this:

On March 28 2011 15:15 JeeJee wrote:
So. Magmus.
Too early for pk
Other team pushing your tower hard, you are planning to defend. you're at fountain ready to TP in

option a) TP in, stun, try and get your ult off somehow

option b) TP in, move TP to stash, channel your ult, TP in with ult activated = epic

Note: does not work on alt avatar magmus (made a fking retard of myself today trying to show this off and it NEVER worked and i couldn't figure out why. LOL)



wowow k so just to get it straight..

you tp into the tower, move the tp to stash (with ctrl+rclick), and then to channel your ult, you just activate your ult? activating your ult wont cancel the tp? =_____=




npnp
moving the tp to stash cancels it anyway so do whatever you want, as long as you're teleportable during when you're supposed to be teleported, you'll get tp'd
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
April 26 2011 07:48 GMT
#25208
man... i tried it so many times and i cant get it to work lol.. the ult never actually happens but im able to tp in
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
Glull
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Germany404 Posts
April 26 2011 07:52 GMT
#25209
if you are too slow you are not worthy
(now try with ss)
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
April 26 2011 08:17 GMT
#25210
ohh wait, so is it something that i have to do really fast? does it have to be perfectly timed?
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
April 26 2011 08:26 GMT
#25211
so there's been this discussion on the hon forums about last hitting.

the argument is which is better,
1. right-clicking to attack creeps or
2. hit "a" + left-click

An overwhelming # of people supported the 2nd one, where you hit a first.

I always just right clicked and am used to that so i dont think i wont be making any changes, im comfortable with it and it works fine for me.

what do you guys do? and you think there really is an advantage to one or the other? The main reasoning behind #2 as stated by some randoms was that it's more accurate
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 08:37:20
April 26 2011 08:35 GMT
#25212
On April 26 2011 17:26 BlueRoyaL wrote:
so there's been this discussion on the hon forums about last hitting.

the argument is which is better,
1. right-clicking to attack creeps or
2. hit "a" + left-click

An overwhelming # of people supported the 2nd one, where you hit a first.

I always just right clicked and am used to that so i dont think i wont be making any changes, im comfortable with it and it works fine for me.

what do you guys do? and you think there really is an advantage to one or the other? The main reasoning behind #2 as stated by some randoms was that it's more accurate

i go with a-click because of two reasons:

1. Its the same motion for denying allied creeps and last hitting enemy creeps. Since you should always be trying to deny creeps when you can, might as well use a-click to attack enemy creeps too right?

2. If you miss with A-click, you end up attack moving and probably just staying still and hitting the nearest creep. If you miss with right click, you could end up moving towards the enemy which could very possibly mean suicide. If not suicide, youre in a bad position and you gotta waste a command and a second or so to move back to a non-harassable place.

Dunno about accuracy though.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 26 2011 08:38 GMT
#25213
On April 26 2011 17:26 BlueRoyaL wrote:
so there's been this discussion on the hon forums about last hitting.

the argument is which is better,
1. right-clicking to attack creeps or
2. hit "a" + left-click

An overwhelming # of people supported the 2nd one, where you hit a first.

I always just right clicked and am used to that so i dont think i wont be making any changes, im comfortable with it and it works fine for me.

what do you guys do? and you think there really is an advantage to one or the other? The main reasoning behind #2 as stated by some randoms was that it's more accurate

a mix depending on hero animation and sometimes distance. but i play dota where the attack and projectile animations are much more variable
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
April 26 2011 15:55 GMT
#25214
On April 26 2011 17:17 BlueRoyaL wrote:
ohh wait, so is it something that i have to do really fast? does it have to be perfectly timed?

not really fast, there is quite a lot of leeway, about half a sec or so. easiest way I found to get it 100% of the time is to hold ctrl throughout the whole process as it allows a very easy xfer to stash and doesn't mess up anything else
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
April 26 2011 16:14 GMT
#25215
On April 26 2011 17:35 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:26 BlueRoyaL wrote:
so there's been this discussion on the hon forums about last hitting.

the argument is which is better,
1. right-clicking to attack creeps or
2. hit "a" + left-click

An overwhelming # of people supported the 2nd one, where you hit a first.

I always just right clicked and am used to that so i dont think i wont be making any changes, im comfortable with it and it works fine for me.

what do you guys do? and you think there really is an advantage to one or the other? The main reasoning behind #2 as stated by some randoms was that it's more accurate

i go with a-click because of two reasons:

1. Its the same motion for denying allied creeps and last hitting enemy creeps. Since you should always be trying to deny creeps when you can, might as well use a-click to attack enemy creeps too right?

2. If you miss with A-click, you end up attack moving and probably just staying still and hitting the nearest creep. If you miss with right click, you could end up moving towards the enemy which could very possibly mean suicide. If not suicide, youre in a bad position and you gotta waste a command and a second or so to move back to a non-harassable place.

Dunno about accuracy though.


The second point doesn't make much sense, I usually spam S to time last hits (so if you misclick just hit s again and u won't run into anyone). I know for a fact this is how most oldschool players do it. Personally I always right click unless it's a tightly contested lane, as I find I'll miss less this way (but of course I'll probably end up with less denies).
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
April 26 2011 16:20 GMT
#25216
Oh, if things go according to plan I should be streaming a few games today starting in less than an hour. Should be up at Gosugamers.net/dota at that time.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
April 26 2011 17:18 GMT
#25217
On April 27 2011 01:14 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 17:35 Supamang wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:26 BlueRoyaL wrote:
so there's been this discussion on the hon forums about last hitting.

the argument is which is better,
1. right-clicking to attack creeps or
2. hit "a" + left-click

An overwhelming # of people supported the 2nd one, where you hit a first.

I always just right clicked and am used to that so i dont think i wont be making any changes, im comfortable with it and it works fine for me.

what do you guys do? and you think there really is an advantage to one or the other? The main reasoning behind #2 as stated by some randoms was that it's more accurate

i go with a-click because of two reasons:

1. Its the same motion for denying allied creeps and last hitting enemy creeps. Since you should always be trying to deny creeps when you can, might as well use a-click to attack enemy creeps too right?

2. If you miss with A-click, you end up attack moving and probably just staying still and hitting the nearest creep. If you miss with right click, you could end up moving towards the enemy which could very possibly mean suicide. If not suicide, youre in a bad position and you gotta waste a command and a second or so to move back to a non-harassable place.

Dunno about accuracy though.


The second point doesn't make much sense, I usually spam S to time last hits (so if you misclick just hit s again and u won't run into anyone). I know for a fact this is how most oldschool players do it. Personally I always right click unless it's a tightly contested lane, as I find I'll miss less this way (but of course I'll probably end up with less denies).


How does that not make sense? You're a hero, you right click a little too far and you run around the creep wave on accident. This puts you out of position and you potentially die. If you're a melee hero sometimes you won't know you misclicked until too late and you're already out of position.

It's easy to understand, you're just trying to hide a brag post about how gosu your s micro is (oldskool player, check; superior micro technique advice, check; small appeasement statement at the end, check)
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
April 26 2011 17:39 GMT
#25218
holy shit someone is mad

I've been around these forums for a long time, and I know most of us are pretty chill. You should try cooling down. Of course you miss out on some funny flame wars but hey.
Theres a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
April 26 2011 17:58 GMT
#25219
On April 27 2011 02:18 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 01:14 5-s wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:35 Supamang wrote:
On April 26 2011 17:26 BlueRoyaL wrote:
so there's been this discussion on the hon forums about last hitting.

the argument is which is better,
1. right-clicking to attack creeps or
2. hit "a" + left-click

An overwhelming # of people supported the 2nd one, where you hit a first.

I always just right clicked and am used to that so i dont think i wont be making any changes, im comfortable with it and it works fine for me.

what do you guys do? and you think there really is an advantage to one or the other? The main reasoning behind #2 as stated by some randoms was that it's more accurate

i go with a-click because of two reasons:

1. Its the same motion for denying allied creeps and last hitting enemy creeps. Since you should always be trying to deny creeps when you can, might as well use a-click to attack enemy creeps too right?

2. If you miss with A-click, you end up attack moving and probably just staying still and hitting the nearest creep. If you miss with right click, you could end up moving towards the enemy which could very possibly mean suicide. If not suicide, youre in a bad position and you gotta waste a command and a second or so to move back to a non-harassable place.

Dunno about accuracy though.


The second point doesn't make much sense, I usually spam S to time last hits (so if you misclick just hit s again and u won't run into anyone). I know for a fact this is how most oldschool players do it. Personally I always right click unless it's a tightly contested lane, as I find I'll miss less this way (but of course I'll probably end up with less denies).


How does that not make sense? You're a hero, you right click a little too far and you run around the creep wave on accident. This puts you out of position and you potentially die. If you're a melee hero sometimes you won't know you misclicked until too late and you're already out of position.

It's easy to understand, you're just trying to hide a brag post about how gosu your s micro is (oldskool player, check; superior micro technique advice, check; small appeasement statement at the end, check)

the are more serious issues going on with your gameplay than lasthit if you don't notice when you missclick olol. now i haven't played in a while but i still remember that never happened
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 18:01:18
April 26 2011 17:58 GMT
#25220
Just lost a game vs an all agi lineup. Sorry about the steam 5-s, your post came off as a hidden brag, sorry if that wasn't the case.

I'm headed to my apartment. If anyone's on when I get there I'm down to be carried. (Zlasher carry me plz)

Edit:

On April 27 2011 02:58 zasda wrote:
-snip-
the are more serious issues going on with your gameplay than lasthit if you don't notice when you missclick olol. now i haven't played in a while but i still remember that never happened


You may notice, but it's possible you notice too late, or your hero initiates a turn that puts you at a disadvantage. Sometimes your turn rate won't be enough to duck that arrow that's coming in if you've misclicked. Small things like this can wreck you.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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