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5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
April 19 2011 15:28 GMT
#25081
Looks like I'll be casting BP vs Na'vi for GosuCup Third Place in about 30 minutes (http://www.own3d.tv/live/13323/GosuGamers_DotA).
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
April 19 2011 15:40 GMT
#25082
Will watch.
NzaR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States199 Posts
April 19 2011 15:41 GMT
#25083
will watch, and thank you
[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
April 19 2011 15:53 GMT
#25084
Can you post here when you start?
[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
April 19 2011 15:56 GMT
#25085
Uhh game is up? Are you going to commentate?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 16:35:38
April 19 2011 16:32 GMT
#25086
ArtStyle: Toss right click

lol. God RU/UA humor makes no sense.

Jungle shenanigans from Navi

Why is CM so fucking good at levels 1-3. :\
Get it by your hands...
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
April 19 2011 16:48 GMT
#25087
running a push strat while giving the other team both ES and Veno?
pro picks imo
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
April 19 2011 17:37 GMT
#25088
I thought Na'vi was going to come back with a nice 4v5 win after what happened early game. ):
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
April 19 2011 17:38 GMT
#25089
That was really anticlimatic.

I can see why people have a hard-on for dota2: they need a new engine. Dota doesn't have a lot of the features that HoN does. The graphics aren't as bad as I thought because the stream is good quality.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 17:44:28
April 19 2011 17:41 GMT
#25090
Eh, it was only a struggle because Ducky perenially doesn't understand the meaning of spacing, compare his play with Fear's and you'll see the difference. Also because Lacoste opted for a Heart before BKB, not a terrible idea either.

Then there's the simple fact that Navi had AA and there's no answer for AA in a team fight, that shit is just gay.

And Navi wasn't gonna win. Enchantress vs SF/Weaver with ES/CM/Veno support? No thanks.

5-s install foreign language support!!! :D
Get it by your hands...
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
April 19 2011 18:26 GMT
#25091
This second game is brutal ><
[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
April 19 2011 18:35 GMT
#25092
Wow that was a total and utter romp.
[TYG]Transcend
Profile Joined March 2008
679 Posts
April 19 2011 18:39 GMT
#25093
On April 20 2011 02:41 Judicator wrote:
Eh, it was only a struggle because Ducky perenially doesn't understand the meaning of spacing, compare his play with Fear's and you'll see the difference. Also because Lacoste opted for a Heart before BKB, not a terrible idea either.

Then there's the simple fact that Navi had AA and there's no answer for AA in a team fight, that shit is just gay.

And Navi wasn't gonna win. Enchantress vs SF/Weaver with ES/CM/Veno support? No thanks.

5-s install foreign language support!!! :D



Well I mean they were having so much trouble pushing in. The mid t3 tower was down at like 25 min. If they had won a few more and then do a team wipe it'd be ezpz. 8D It was unfortunate that pugna had to drop.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 19 2011 18:40 GMT
#25094
??? you do realize that the only reason they had such an issue pushing in is because that's the one place where you can't play around the zone right?
Get it by your hands...
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
April 19 2011 19:05 GMT
#25095
Can you elaborate on that and what spacing means Judicator? I wasn't really watching the game carefully and some of the effects and heroes I don't know, so I didn't notice this problem with veno.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 19:14:38
April 19 2011 19:13 GMT
#25096
On April 20 2011 04:05 Durak wrote:
Can you elaborate on that and what spacing means Judicator? I wasn't really watching the game carefully and some of the effects and heroes I don't know, so I didn't notice this problem with veno.


Ducky was out of position, he basically needed to follow up on ES's intiate or Weaver's pokes if either of those ever escalated into a team fight, except Ducky misread and poked up too far and got caught a few times where he couldn't get his ultimate off or his meka or his pipe, his situational awareness is pretty shoddy at times.

Spacing is basically how you put the 5 heroes in respect to the other team and their abilities and in respect to your team and the ORDER that you need spells dropped on. Like Artstyle in the first game at the end, played Enchantress perfectly by placing himself on the upper side of the ramp (to the left) instead of the right corner of the ramp to Scourge entrance. That stomps on any Dust play from BP where they might dangle the Weaver as bait and use ES to break up any chain stun sequences.

That being said, the reason why BP was having a fucking impossible time pushing in despite vastly superior items was because that ramp forces them into one area where they can get hit by both relevant ultimates with little alternative. That Force Staff was pretty key a few times where Navi looks like they were gonna get caught.

Edit:

Props to Fear and Sonny for their CM and ES respectively, really made life miserable until the raxing stage because Navi had 0 answers for team fight.
Get it by your hands...
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
April 19 2011 19:27 GMT
#25097
On April 20 2011 04:13 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 04:05 Durak wrote:
Can you elaborate on that and what spacing means Judicator? I wasn't really watching the game carefully and some of the effects and heroes I don't know, so I didn't notice this problem with veno.


Ducky was out of position, he basically needed to follow up on ES's intiate or Weaver's pokes if either of those ever escalated into a team fight, except Ducky misread and poked up too far and got caught a few times where he couldn't get his ultimate off or his meka or his pipe, his situational awareness is pretty shoddy at times.

That's terrible
On April 20 2011 04:13 Judicator wrote:
Spacing is basically how you put the 5 heroes in respect to the other team and their abilities and in respect to your team and the ORDER that you need spells dropped on. Like Artstyle in the first game at the end, played Enchantress perfectly by placing himself on the upper side of the ramp (to the left) instead of the right corner of the ramp to Scourge entrance. That stomps on any Dust play from BP where they might dangle the Weaver as bait and use ES to break up any chain stun sequences.

Gotcha. I understand the concept but I didn't know the term.

Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 19 2011 19:31 GMT
#25098
Ducky is a pretty average player, the times I have played with and against him on D-L, I came away unimpressed with his execution, but I see why he plays with these teams though.

Babyknight on the other hand, I just get raped every time I play against him, it's not even close, pretty cool guy though, it seems like he would rather play with his friends than in those IH leagues which is why you might run into him on Garena in some random Euro room 200.
Get it by your hands...
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 19 2011 21:33 GMT
#25099
On April 20 2011 04:31 Judicator wrote:
Ducky is a pretty average player, the times I have played with and against him on D-L, I came away unimpressed with his execution, but I see why he plays with these teams though.

Babyknight on the other hand, I just get raped every time I play against him, it's not even close, pretty cool guy though, it seems like he would rather play with his friends than in those IH leagues which is why you might run into him on Garena in some random Euro room 200.

Babyknight is fucking good. Every game I watch from him there's so much skill and talent.

Game 1:
Hardcore push strats suck this version. Mention ES/Veno but Weaver has The Swarm, couple that with SF aura waves are as soft as butter.

Game 2:
Outpicked. BP has two autoban heroes in Lich, AA and a great carry in Spectre, great support in VS (along with the others). As long as they do their jobs right, that game was too hard for Na'Vi, just teamfight rape teamfight rape teamfight rape.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
April 19 2011 22:23 GMT
#25100
Babyknight is playing on a sponsored sc2 team.

It's funny seeing dota players sponsored after all these years people wondering if they were any good at rts or not.
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