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stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
November 24 2007 17:38 GMT
#21
Just to add some input to the thread, I think it is the 2nd best RTS of all time. If the community was still there, I would probably still be playing it. I'd say it is very similar to starcraft except it has MBS (multiple building selection) and auto-rally workers to gold patches. The damage and armor system should be pretty familiar to starcraft players. All the basic build order, macro, micro and timing knowledge carries over pretty easily. It's not a coincedence that the best players of this game were starcraft players.

The main differences, I'd say, are that units are not as "snappy" as in starcraft, meaning that most of them have a firing animation and turning rate. Also the races are in my opinion not all that different from each other. And it has more a focus on strategy over mechanical skills. Micro mistakes don't punish you as much as they do in starcraft. This is both a strength and a weakness as it makes the better player win a higher percentage of games while also making comebacks incredibly hard to pull off.
DetriusXii
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada156 Posts
November 25 2007 07:29 GMT
#22
Well, from what I remember of the game was that Fallen definately had an advantage with their 'mutalisk' units requiring a specific counter from empire and the beasts. They could destroy an economy quickly, compared to mutalisks in SC. Archers and goblin riders had a difficult time pushing away harassment from this unit. And I don't remember, but I think they didn't require gems whereas archers did.
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
November 25 2007 15:10 GMT
#23
The balance wasn't all that bad, I think. You have to take into account that the community that playtested the game through the few patches it had was very small and very spread in skill level. In addition a majority of the games were eventually played on the map darkside forest which is like the lost temple of AoX. You could shift some of the imbalances by just playing maps that better suited your race.

At least the beast vs fallen matchup seemed balanced, because the best players of those races would insist that it was as long as no one played random (which among other things made fallen unable to fast expo). I would be more likely to agree on the imbalance of fallen vs empire, but not because of the hive guards ('mutalisks'). Some of this perceived imbalance seems to me just to be that fallen strategy was more evolved in the community. Fallen players did not seem to mind sharing cookie cutter strategies on how to tame the wicked empire. And after the last patch there weren't that many good empire players around.

Being an empire player, I found the biggest problem to be scouting and dealing with the multiple openings the fallen player could try on you. But if you had a good idea of what your opponent of doing, you had a pretty good chance of beating him if his mechanical skills weren't superior to yours. Late game, you needed a better economy or a surviving army of level 5 units otherwise his tech units would chew you up.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17665 Posts
November 25 2007 15:41 GMT
#24
Dudes, let's totally set up some games on hamachi or whatever. I'm still struggling with going through the campaign once again (currently stuck at beast mission 2 on hard difficulty, damn badass mission) but I would be more than eager to play some games vs real oponents once more.
And detrious: I don't know if you played the last version of the game (1.4) but hive guards ain't easy to obtain there. Sure they're good harrassers but they consume quite a bit of resources (including 40gems each) and their build time is pretty long compared to other units you get in the hive so to cripple enemy's economy it's usually better to get some zerglings (sorry, forgot the name of the basic unit and now I have regionalized version so it's different) and upgrade them with wings then just lift off -> land in enemy gold line -> see your tiny bugs rape their workers.

Zerg players should be really happy to play fallen I believe, fast expos, ling rushes, FvF is played more or less exactly like ZvZ (mutaling), changing trees into lurkers that can even hit air (at least that's what the tooltip says). The only difference really is part of the protoss mechanics there (building, a lot of spells and spellcasters etc.). Come to think of it, Fallen could just as well do as the PZ hybrid race
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Baalzamon
Profile Joined April 2007
Germany106 Posts
November 25 2007 15:57 GMT
#25
i would love to play some aox again. i still have ton of replays, i think also a reppack of clafter aka NrT.GrimReefer who was in the end definetly the best aox-player. and also a lot of you stenole, where you was new to the game and i was able to win against you .
i dont know if you are still able to get updates for aox, i still have a 1.4 patch on my harddisc though.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17665 Posts
November 25 2007 16:17 GMT
#26
I have the patch too if someone needs it. The retails they sell now come already with 1.4 included.

btw. does anyone still have the AoX smart moves video? If yes pls upload it to youtube or something, I want...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Baalzamon
Profile Joined April 2007
Germany106 Posts
November 25 2007 17:18 GMT
#27
there you go [url blocked]
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
November 25 2007 19:27 GMT
#28
Thanks baal, I was looking for this the other day. I don't know how available I'll be to play AoX the next few weeks, but all of you can send me a PM and ill give you my AIM/MSN. Maybe there will be a few free hours to play...
Woyn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United Kingdom1628 Posts
November 25 2007 21:08 GMT
#29
Im torrenting AoX atm if anyone wants so hamachi games. Maybe a TL.net tournament?
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
November 25 2007 22:01 GMT
#30
omg Warhammer online trailer looks awesome.
brambolius
Profile Joined January 2006
Netherlands448 Posts
November 26 2007 00:34 GMT
#31
Im up for this, some1 make hamachi and ill dl the game somewhere

Armies of exigo ez the best rts after starcraft !
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51548 Posts
November 26 2007 05:45 GMT
#32
tlnet1/1 is hamachi network.

me and stenole are up for 2v2's when theres no sc games on and he's available
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17665 Posts
November 26 2007 10:29 GMT
#33
I will upload the smart moves video to youtube when I finish downloading it so you won't have to install this spyware megaupload toolbar.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
magicbullet
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Singapore163 Posts
November 26 2007 15:16 GMT
#34
has anyone got any ver 1.4 replays?
In the long run we are all dead - J.M. Keynes
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17665 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-26 18:55:22
November 26 2007 15:30 GMT
#35
Checking...

http://rapidshare.com/files/72433661/Replay.rar.html

There you go. Ahh sweet memories
I go under the nick C1erN in some of those, the numbered ones come from aoxtactics.com and I believe they're mostly fallen replays as I was playing them at the time and wanted to learn from the best

btw. welcome to TL.net ^_^

Edit: I've just watched all of those replays. Definitely the best are #462 (LoveWithOlessia - E v F - artoflukas), #473(artoflukas - F v B - woah_PT) and the last one of the numbered ones (LoveWithOlessia - E vs B - rhzownage). 472 is FvF I think (artoflukas vs DSDaysleeper)
In 473 all Zerg players will most likely shout "ZEEEEEEERG!!!" for the most part of it (and enjoy the awesomeness of wave after wave of bugs pouring on the poor - orly? - enemy). Definitely my favorite replay, a bit slow opening from both players but then it's just pure ownage with a lot of back and forth action.

Edit2: I might have gotten the replay numbers wrong
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
November 26 2007 23:30 GMT
#36
I just got hold of about 33 megs of replays from iloveolessia (including the clafter reppack), I'll see if I can find somewhere to share them tomorrow...
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17665 Posts
November 27 2007 00:54 GMT
#37
rapidshare is a good way
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
November 27 2007 01:39 GMT
#38
Clafter and iloveolessia's replay folder. Iloveolessia managed the aoxtactics site, so he has lots of the replays connected to the site. Clafter's reppack is a lot more organized though. Clafter was one of the best remaining active players after patch 1.4 was released. Iloveolessia's folder does not mark which replays are version 1.3.

http://rapidshare.com/files/72536517/clafter_iloveolessia.rar.html

Players I think are of particular interest are:
artoflukas, clafter aka galmarz, kyxlum, woah, daydreamer and daysleeper

To be fair many of the games involve experimental strats and "fun" strats. Not all of them are optimized strategies towards winning with the highest probability.
magicbullet2
Profile Joined November 2007
Singapore1 Post
November 27 2007 03:39 GMT
#39
Manit0u, can you do me a small favour, by sending the replays files(and perhaps stenole's too) to my email? Its at magicbullet@gmail.com

I want them quite badly and rapidshare hates singapore. Thank you
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
November 27 2007 04:13 GMT
#40
On November 24 2007 06:36 KissBlade wrote:
What's wrong with Dawn of War?


The huge imbalance in it. Instead of patching the balance, Relic decides to come up with an expansion pack that only makes it even more imbalanced. Necro just rapes everything.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
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