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Based and agreed. Also laughed out loud, what a smackdown, my hat off to you, sir.
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Its absolutely astonishing and scrumptious stuff to attack and focus on people who didn't catch the fine line of their financial filings and calling that MISINFORMATION. I am not talking about financial filings. I am talking about a very basic FAQ. They ignored the information in the FAQ and talked about made up figures. That's the definition of spreading misinformation. I don't know where you got the idea that the word is supposed to be used for only serious matters.
I can't speak to any of the student game developers they hired and told to pretend they were Blizzard vets but members of the founding team are giant fucking assholes - I can personally attest to my experience with them as people who exploit other people's work and ideas with no concern about who gets harmed.
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose.
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Not just personal — I've also been hired by some of them at Blizzard to try and fix a situation where they contracted 20 StarCraft modders for promises of maintaining their platform and some wages that would have been appropriate in the 1920s. They didn't keep their promises! Scrapheap and mistreatment, but passion! They are passionate!
Looking forward to their expertise and deep spiritual know-how with custom maps and modding that they've promised!
I've never seen a reddit mod try to invade and take other territories. You are the GOAT. "No bad thoughts! No bad thoughts!" Keep drumming your party line bullshit, get it girl!
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Making things personal seems to be your shtick  At least your hatred seems to make more sense than most.
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On March 17 2024 16:10 gingerfluffmuffnr2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 10:07 Fango wrote:
Is this... a lot? For a company in California with 100 employees, 1M a month would seem standard Does the game look and feel and play like 30 mil? Thats the problem.
The last early access game I played was BG3, which had a 100M budget. And it didn't look or feel like 100M at the start of early access either, but it sure did by the time it released.
And Stormgate isn't even at early access yet. The beta rounds are just demos to see what mechanics are fun and test the infrastructure of the game.
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On March 18 2024 03:27 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 16:10 gingerfluffmuffnr2 wrote:On March 17 2024 10:07 Fango wrote:
Is this... a lot? For a company in California with 100 employees, 1M a month would seem standard Does the game look and feel and play like 30 mil? Thats the problem. The last early access game I played was BG3, which had a 100M budget. And it didn't look or feel like 100M at the start of early access either, but it sure did by the time it released. And Stormgate isn't even at early access yet. The beta rounds are just demos to see what mechanics are fun and test the infrastructure of the game. No one questioned if Larian studio's was going to keep the lights on until 1.0. And they have a proven track record for producing and releasing games.
Stormgate has neither of those things.
comparing them to BG3 is simply delusional.
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When you've been around people who have said to you:
"I hate StarCraft" — literally, and not in an temporary fit-like Artosis just got Protossed way.
Then same people set off to build a StarCraft company - in a way that claims they are motivated by basically what is a deep love for said thing. It makes anyone who knows the difference bear a load.
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view.
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On March 18 2024 01:14 MegaBuster wrote:
That sounds a lot more like what Bobby Kotick would do than what someone who is escaping from Bobby Kotick's world would do.
lol. Kotick and Brian Kelly (not the Edmonton Eskimos wide receiver who won 5 grey cups in a row) started with 0 video games employee at Mediagenic. They resurrected the Activision brand from nothing and grew the company over 30+ years into a place that employed over 12,000 people.
Kotick and Kelly are geniuses.
On March 18 2024 03:00 _Spartak_ wrote:
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose.
On March 18 2024 03:38 MegaBuster wrote:
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view.
Tim Morten and Tim Campbell made it personal with all their "we are your RTS gaming buddies" marketing initiatives. They are employees of a corporation selling you a product. They are both salesmen.
The entire video game industry has been total scum since Nolan Bushnell fucked over his employers building Atari and then he fucked over the 2 partners he started off with. That was 1974. This started a string of scummy legal maneuvres by Atari. Atari spent more time in the court room than they did making video games. The leader of Scummy behaviour was taken by Nintendo after 1986. Scummy behaviour in the video game industry has been going on for 50 years. Keep this in mind whenever you watch Morten and Campbell present themselves as your "RTS gaming buddies".
Knowing how scummy the industry is allows me to enjoy my gaming hobby a lot more. I make better, more informed decisions and concoct better strategies for spending time and money.
I do not think the announcement about Stormgateworld.com being deprecated was posted here. Here it is.
People... do not take your eye off the ball on any of these issues. THis is what's up.
"Whatever Is Best For Business".
On March 17 2024 17:31 _Spartak_ wrote:
You realize that they haven't spent all of their money yet, right? And they won't have spent all of their money by early access release either. Here is the FAQ clarifying their funding situation:
https://playstormgate.com/news/frost-giant-business-faq
And to answer your question, yes. What they have done so far with the money they have is remarkable. AAA games cost well over $100m these days.
You provided a document that took 10 days to make. It was carefully edited and engineered to placate their employees and customers.
I prefer the far more authentic discussion by Ms. Laforge on September 21, 2023. Given those two different messages I am going with Ms. Laforge's statements. She seemed 100% authentic and it was an in-person, on-camera ad lib interview. She was not fully prepped with specific bullet points to hit.
Frost Giant's actions and game play reveals over the past six months are congruent with Ms. Laforge's statements on September 21,2023. Thus, I agree with Ms Laforge: I think they are in big trouble financially.
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The FAQ doesn't contradict what Cara LaForge said before. They have the funds to release the game on early access and will have some cash reserves left at that point but not enough to get to the 1.0 release without sales during early access.
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On March 18 2024 03:37 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:27 Fango wrote:On March 17 2024 16:10 gingerfluffmuffnr2 wrote:On March 17 2024 10:07 Fango wrote:
Is this... a lot? For a company in California with 100 employees, 1M a month would seem standard Does the game look and feel and play like 30 mil? Thats the problem. The last early access game I played was BG3, which had a 100M budget. And it didn't look or feel like 100M at the start of early access either, but it sure did by the time it released. And Stormgate isn't even at early access yet. The beta rounds are just demos to see what mechanics are fun and test the infrastructure of the game. No one questioned if Larian studio's was going to keep the lights on until 1.0. And they have a proven track record for producing and releasing games. Stormgate has neither of those things. comparing them to BG3 is simply delusional.
Huh? I wasn't talking about whether Larian have the money to make the game.
The point was that a demo version of a game isn't necessary reflective of the budget or final product. Larian is probably the biggest example that early access can work
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On March 18 2024 05:51 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:37 Gorsameth wrote:On March 18 2024 03:27 Fango wrote:On March 17 2024 16:10 gingerfluffmuffnr2 wrote:On March 17 2024 10:07 Fango wrote:
Is this... a lot? For a company in California with 100 employees, 1M a month would seem standard Does the game look and feel and play like 30 mil? Thats the problem. The last early access game I played was BG3, which had a 100M budget. And it didn't look or feel like 100M at the start of early access either, but it sure did by the time it released. And Stormgate isn't even at early access yet. The beta rounds are just demos to see what mechanics are fun and test the infrastructure of the game. No one questioned if Larian studio's was going to keep the lights on until 1.0. And they have a proven track record for producing and releasing games. Stormgate has neither of those things. comparing them to BG3 is simply delusional. Huh? I wasn't talking about whether Larian have the money to make the game. The point was that a demo version of a game isn't necessary reflective of the budget or final product. Larian is probably the biggest example that early access can work Early access works if you can make it to release. Which is the entire issue people are currently having with Stormgate.
And if they need sales from Early Access, as their faq says they do, then that Early Access needs to be good enough to be worth getting and spending money on.
Stormgate is not a case of "It doesn't matter how shit the early access is, so long as the final game is good". Because they need that early access money.
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On March 18 2024 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 01:14 MegaBuster wrote:
That sounds a lot more like what Bobby Kotick would do than what someone who is escaping from Bobby Kotick's world would do.
lol. Kotick and Brian Kelly (not the Edmonton Eskimos wide receiver who won 5 grey cups in a row) started with 0 video games employee at Mediagenic. They resurrected the Activision brand from nothing and grew the company over 30+ years into a place that employed over 12,000 people. Kotick and Kelly are geniuses. Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:00 _Spartak_ wrote:
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose. Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 03:38 MegaBuster wrote:
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view. Tim Morten and Tim Campbell made it personal with all their "we are your RTS gaming buddies" marketing initiatives. They are employees of a corporation selling you a product. They are both salesmen. The entire video game industry has been total scum since Nolan Bushnell fucked over his employers building Atari and then he fucked over the 2 partners he started off with. That was 1974. This started a string of scummy legal maneuvres by Atari. Atari spent more time in the court room than they did making video games. The leader of Scummy behaviour was taken by Nintendo after 1986. Scummy behaviour in the video game industry has been going on for 50 years. Keep this in mind whenever you watch Morten and Campbell present themselves as your "RTS gaming buddies". Knowing how scummy the industry is allows me to enjoy my gaming hobby a lot more. I make better, more informed decisions and concoct better strategies for spending time and money. I do not think the announcement about Stormgateworld.com being deprecated was posted here. Here it is. People... do not take your eye off the ball on any of these issues. THis is what's up. "Whatever Is Best For Business". Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 17:31 _Spartak_ wrote:
You realize that they haven't spent all of their money yet, right? And they won't have spent all of their money by early access release either. Here is the FAQ clarifying their funding situation:
https://playstormgate.com/news/frost-giant-business-faq
And to answer your question, yes. What they have done so far with the money they have is remarkable. AAA games cost well over $100m these days. You provided a document that took 10 days to make. It was carefully edited and engineered to placate their employees and customers. I prefer the far more authentic discussion by Ms. Laforge on September 21, 2023. Given those two different messages I am going with Ms. Laforge's statements. She seemed 100% authentic and it was an in-person, on-camera ad lib interview. She was not fully prepped with specific bullet points to hit. Frost Giant's actions and game play reveals over the past six months are congruent with Ms. Laforge's statements on September 21,2023. Thus, I agree with Ms Laforge: I think they are in big trouble financially.
Wow, that image is a red flag. They've been infected by AI hype into thinking that player replay data is valuable...
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On March 18 2024 08:36 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2024 01:14 MegaBuster wrote:
That sounds a lot more like what Bobby Kotick would do than what someone who is escaping from Bobby Kotick's world would do.
lol. Kotick and Brian Kelly (not the Edmonton Eskimos wide receiver who won 5 grey cups in a row) started with 0 video games employee at Mediagenic. They resurrected the Activision brand from nothing and grew the company over 30+ years into a place that employed over 12,000 people. Kotick and Kelly are geniuses. On March 18 2024 03:00 _Spartak_ wrote:
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose. On March 18 2024 03:38 MegaBuster wrote:
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view. Tim Morten and Tim Campbell made it personal with all their "we are your RTS gaming buddies" marketing initiatives. They are employees of a corporation selling you a product. They are both salesmen. The entire video game industry has been total scum since Nolan Bushnell fucked over his employers building Atari and then he fucked over the 2 partners he started off with. That was 1974. This started a string of scummy legal maneuvres by Atari. Atari spent more time in the court room than they did making video games. The leader of Scummy behaviour was taken by Nintendo after 1986. Scummy behaviour in the video game industry has been going on for 50 years. Keep this in mind whenever you watch Morten and Campbell present themselves as your "RTS gaming buddies". Knowing how scummy the industry is allows me to enjoy my gaming hobby a lot more. I make better, more informed decisions and concoct better strategies for spending time and money. I do not think the announcement about Stormgateworld.com being deprecated was posted here. Here it is. People... do not take your eye off the ball on any of these issues. THis is what's up. "Whatever Is Best For Business". On March 17 2024 17:31 _Spartak_ wrote:
You realize that they haven't spent all of their money yet, right? And they won't have spent all of their money by early access release either. Here is the FAQ clarifying their funding situation:
https://playstormgate.com/news/frost-giant-business-faq
And to answer your question, yes. What they have done so far with the money they have is remarkable. AAA games cost well over $100m these days. You provided a document that took 10 days to make. It was carefully edited and engineered to placate their employees and customers. I prefer the far more authentic discussion by Ms. Laforge on September 21, 2023. Given those two different messages I am going with Ms. Laforge's statements. She seemed 100% authentic and it was an in-person, on-camera ad lib interview. She was not fully prepped with specific bullet points to hit. Frost Giant's actions and game play reveals over the past six months are congruent with Ms. Laforge's statements on September 21,2023. Thus, I agree with Ms Laforge: I think they are in big trouble financially. Wow, that image is a red flag. They've been infected by AI hype into thinking that player replay data is valuable... I might have an easier explanation. Did that site track how many players were playing?
Because in light of everything the pessimist in me says they might want to hide that if its not looking good.
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On March 18 2024 08:36 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2024 01:14 MegaBuster wrote:
That sounds a lot more like what Bobby Kotick would do than what someone who is escaping from Bobby Kotick's world would do.
lol. Kotick and Brian Kelly (not the Edmonton Eskimos wide receiver who won 5 grey cups in a row) started with 0 video games employee at Mediagenic. They resurrected the Activision brand from nothing and grew the company over 30+ years into a place that employed over 12,000 people. Kotick and Kelly are geniuses. On March 18 2024 03:00 _Spartak_ wrote:
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose. On March 18 2024 03:38 MegaBuster wrote:
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view. Tim Morten and Tim Campbell made it personal with all their "we are your RTS gaming buddies" marketing initiatives. They are employees of a corporation selling you a product. They are both salesmen. The entire video game industry has been total scum since Nolan Bushnell fucked over his employers building Atari and then he fucked over the 2 partners he started off with. That was 1974. This started a string of scummy legal maneuvres by Atari. Atari spent more time in the court room than they did making video games. The leader of Scummy behaviour was taken by Nintendo after 1986. Scummy behaviour in the video game industry has been going on for 50 years. Keep this in mind whenever you watch Morten and Campbell present themselves as your "RTS gaming buddies". Knowing how scummy the industry is allows me to enjoy my gaming hobby a lot more. I make better, more informed decisions and concoct better strategies for spending time and money. I do not think the announcement about Stormgateworld.com being deprecated was posted here. Here it is. People... do not take your eye off the ball on any of these issues. THis is what's up. "Whatever Is Best For Business". On March 17 2024 17:31 _Spartak_ wrote:
You realize that they haven't spent all of their money yet, right? And they won't have spent all of their money by early access release either. Here is the FAQ clarifying their funding situation:
https://playstormgate.com/news/frost-giant-business-faq
And to answer your question, yes. What they have done so far with the money they have is remarkable. AAA games cost well over $100m these days. You provided a document that took 10 days to make. It was carefully edited and engineered to placate their employees and customers. I prefer the far more authentic discussion by Ms. Laforge on September 21, 2023. Given those two different messages I am going with Ms. Laforge's statements. She seemed 100% authentic and it was an in-person, on-camera ad lib interview. She was not fully prepped with specific bullet points to hit. Frost Giant's actions and game play reveals over the past six months are congruent with Ms. Laforge's statements on September 21,2023. Thus, I agree with Ms Laforge: I think they are in big trouble financially. Wow, that image is a red flag. They've been infected by AI hype into thinking that player replay data is valuable...
Player replay data is definitely valuable and can even be a source of profit. In DOTA players can pay a premium to get access to their advanced stats in order to improve.
In SC2 the community loves stats. Matchup data, map data, early game data, late game data, resources mined etc.
Not to mention having AIs play the game can completely change how people improve. Chess AIs have been teaching even the best how to play for years now. It's not like they're using AI to generate content.
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On March 18 2024 09:39 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:36 Garrl wrote:On March 18 2024 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2024 01:14 MegaBuster wrote:
That sounds a lot more like what Bobby Kotick would do than what someone who is escaping from Bobby Kotick's world would do.
lol. Kotick and Brian Kelly (not the Edmonton Eskimos wide receiver who won 5 grey cups in a row) started with 0 video games employee at Mediagenic. They resurrected the Activision brand from nothing and grew the company over 30+ years into a place that employed over 12,000 people. Kotick and Kelly are geniuses. On March 18 2024 03:00 _Spartak_ wrote:
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose. On March 18 2024 03:38 MegaBuster wrote:
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view. Tim Morten and Tim Campbell made it personal with all their "we are your RTS gaming buddies" marketing initiatives. They are employees of a corporation selling you a product. They are both salesmen. The entire video game industry has been total scum since Nolan Bushnell fucked over his employers building Atari and then he fucked over the 2 partners he started off with. That was 1974. This started a string of scummy legal maneuvres by Atari. Atari spent more time in the court room than they did making video games. The leader of Scummy behaviour was taken by Nintendo after 1986. Scummy behaviour in the video game industry has been going on for 50 years. Keep this in mind whenever you watch Morten and Campbell present themselves as your "RTS gaming buddies". Knowing how scummy the industry is allows me to enjoy my gaming hobby a lot more. I make better, more informed decisions and concoct better strategies for spending time and money. I do not think the announcement about Stormgateworld.com being deprecated was posted here. Here it is. People... do not take your eye off the ball on any of these issues. THis is what's up. "Whatever Is Best For Business". On March 17 2024 17:31 _Spartak_ wrote:
You realize that they haven't spent all of their money yet, right? And they won't have spent all of their money by early access release either. Here is the FAQ clarifying their funding situation:
https://playstormgate.com/news/frost-giant-business-faq
And to answer your question, yes. What they have done so far with the money they have is remarkable. AAA games cost well over $100m these days. You provided a document that took 10 days to make. It was carefully edited and engineered to placate their employees and customers. I prefer the far more authentic discussion by Ms. Laforge on September 21, 2023. Given those two different messages I am going with Ms. Laforge's statements. She seemed 100% authentic and it was an in-person, on-camera ad lib interview. She was not fully prepped with specific bullet points to hit. Frost Giant's actions and game play reveals over the past six months are congruent with Ms. Laforge's statements on September 21,2023. Thus, I agree with Ms Laforge: I think they are in big trouble financially. Wow, that image is a red flag. They've been infected by AI hype into thinking that player replay data is valuable... Player replay data is definitely valuable and can even be a source of profit. In DOTA players can pay a premium to get access to their advanced stats in order to improve. In SC2 the community loves stats. Matchup data, map data, early game data, late game data, resources mined etc. Not to mention having AIs play the game can completely change how people improve. Chess AIs have been teaching even the best how to play for years now. It's not like they're using AI to generate content.
Valuable enough to charge for API access? I doubt it, frankly. Sites used to have free APIs with the assumption that the cost of running the API was worth it because people building on your site adds value, until OpenAI basically scraped every last piece of data from the internet and now they're scrambling to license their APIs. I think this is a reaction to that - Valve, Blizzard, Riot, they've never charged for their game APIs and that's probably the only reason you get sites like dotabuff and such.
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On March 18 2024 08:36 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2024 01:14 MegaBuster wrote:
That sounds a lot more like what Bobby Kotick would do than what someone who is escaping from Bobby Kotick's world would do.
lol. Kotick and Brian Kelly (not the Edmonton Eskimos wide receiver who won 5 grey cups in a row) started with 0 video games employee at Mediagenic. They resurrected the Activision brand from nothing and grew the company over 30+ years into a place that employed over 12,000 people. Kotick and Kelly are geniuses. On March 18 2024 03:00 _Spartak_ wrote:
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose. On March 18 2024 03:38 MegaBuster wrote:
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view. Tim Morten and Tim Campbell made it personal with all their "we are your RTS gaming buddies" marketing initiatives. They are employees of a corporation selling you a product. They are both salesmen. The entire video game industry has been total scum since Nolan Bushnell fucked over his employers building Atari and then he fucked over the 2 partners he started off with. That was 1974. This started a string of scummy legal maneuvres by Atari. Atari spent more time in the court room than they did making video games. The leader of Scummy behaviour was taken by Nintendo after 1986. Scummy behaviour in the video game industry has been going on for 50 years. Keep this in mind whenever you watch Morten and Campbell present themselves as your "RTS gaming buddies". Knowing how scummy the industry is allows me to enjoy my gaming hobby a lot more. I make better, more informed decisions and concoct better strategies for spending time and money. I do not think the announcement about Stormgateworld.com being deprecated was posted here. Here it is. People... do not take your eye off the ball on any of these issues. THis is what's up. "Whatever Is Best For Business". On March 17 2024 17:31 _Spartak_ wrote:
You realize that they haven't spent all of their money yet, right? And they won't have spent all of their money by early access release either. Here is the FAQ clarifying their funding situation:
https://playstormgate.com/news/frost-giant-business-faq
And to answer your question, yes. What they have done so far with the money they have is remarkable. AAA games cost well over $100m these days. You provided a document that took 10 days to make. It was carefully edited and engineered to placate their employees and customers. I prefer the far more authentic discussion by Ms. Laforge on September 21, 2023. Given those two different messages I am going with Ms. Laforge's statements. She seemed 100% authentic and it was an in-person, on-camera ad lib interview. She was not fully prepped with specific bullet points to hit. Frost Giant's actions and game play reveals over the past six months are congruent with Ms. Laforge's statements on September 21,2023. Thus, I agree with Ms Laforge: I think they are in big trouble financially. Wow, that image is a red flag. They've been infected by AI hype into thinking that player replay data is valuable...
It seems to me quite a good use case, depends what they intend to do or how successful they are.
I believe DotA2 has some pretty cool analysis tools that use machine learning. Something similar could be possibly even more interesting in the RTS space
I mean obviously the priority is shipping a good core game! If anything these days games have less cool stats, least a lot I play seem to actively try to hide all sorts, probably to not bruise egos.
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On March 18 2024 04:34 _Spartak_ wrote:
The FAQ doesn't contradict what Cara LaForge said before. They have the funds to release the game on early access and will have some cash reserves left at that point but not enough to get to the 1.0 release without sales during early access.
in that interview Ms. Laforge made it clear her family and the Morhaime family were now friends. Mike Morhaime could fund this project and has chosen not to do so. Mike Morhaime knows a lot about the video game incubation projects and if he is not interested that says a lot.
On March 18 2024 09:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:36 Garrl wrote:On March 18 2024 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2024 01:14 MegaBuster wrote:
That sounds a lot more like what Bobby Kotick would do than what someone who is escaping from Bobby Kotick's world would do.
lol. Kotick and Brian Kelly (not the Edmonton Eskimos wide receiver who won 5 grey cups in a row) started with 0 video games employee at Mediagenic. They resurrected the Activision brand from nothing and grew the company over 30+ years into a place that employed over 12,000 people. Kotick and Kelly are geniuses. On March 18 2024 03:00 _Spartak_ wrote:
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose. On March 18 2024 03:38 MegaBuster wrote:
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view. Tim Morten and Tim Campbell made it personal with all their "we are your RTS gaming buddies" marketing initiatives. They are employees of a corporation selling you a product. They are both salesmen. The entire video game industry has been total scum since Nolan Bushnell fucked over his employers building Atari and then he fucked over the 2 partners he started off with. That was 1974. This started a string of scummy legal maneuvres by Atari. Atari spent more time in the court room than they did making video games. The leader of Scummy behaviour was taken by Nintendo after 1986. Scummy behaviour in the video game industry has been going on for 50 years. Keep this in mind whenever you watch Morten and Campbell present themselves as your "RTS gaming buddies". Knowing how scummy the industry is allows me to enjoy my gaming hobby a lot more. I make better, more informed decisions and concoct better strategies for spending time and money. I do not think the announcement about Stormgateworld.com being deprecated was posted here. Here it is. People... do not take your eye off the ball on any of these issues. THis is what's up. "Whatever Is Best For Business". On March 17 2024 17:31 _Spartak_ wrote:
You realize that they haven't spent all of their money yet, right? And they won't have spent all of their money by early access release either. Here is the FAQ clarifying their funding situation:
https://playstormgate.com/news/frost-giant-business-faq
And to answer your question, yes. What they have done so far with the money they have is remarkable. AAA games cost well over $100m these days. You provided a document that took 10 days to make. It was carefully edited and engineered to placate their employees and customers. I prefer the far more authentic discussion by Ms. Laforge on September 21, 2023. Given those two different messages I am going with Ms. Laforge's statements. She seemed 100% authentic and it was an in-person, on-camera ad lib interview. She was not fully prepped with specific bullet points to hit. Frost Giant's actions and game play reveals over the past six months are congruent with Ms. Laforge's statements on September 21,2023. Thus, I agree with Ms Laforge: I think they are in big trouble financially. Wow, that image is a red flag. They've been infected by AI hype into thinking that player replay data is valuable... I might have an easier explanation. Did that site track how many players were playing? Because in light of everything the pessimist in me says they might want to hide that if its not looking good.
it tracks players and games played and the #s declined quickly. Near the end it was tough to find a game. We'll know player #s are low if people can not quickly find opponents near their skill level.
https://stormgateworld.com/stats
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On March 18 2024 09:56 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:39 Fango wrote:On March 18 2024 08:36 Garrl wrote:On March 18 2024 04:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 18 2024 01:14 MegaBuster wrote:
That sounds a lot more like what Bobby Kotick would do than what someone who is escaping from Bobby Kotick's world would do.
lol. Kotick and Brian Kelly (not the Edmonton Eskimos wide receiver who won 5 grey cups in a row) started with 0 video games employee at Mediagenic. They resurrected the Activision brand from nothing and grew the company over 30+ years into a place that employed over 12,000 people. Kotick and Kelly are geniuses. On March 18 2024 03:00 _Spartak_ wrote:
Hmmm looks like your visceral hatred stems from a personal vendetta so no point in arguing about your other points I suppose. On March 18 2024 03:38 MegaBuster wrote:
Is that personal? Yea but every witness testimony is a personal view. Tim Morten and Tim Campbell made it personal with all their "we are your RTS gaming buddies" marketing initiatives. They are employees of a corporation selling you a product. They are both salesmen. The entire video game industry has been total scum since Nolan Bushnell fucked over his employers building Atari and then he fucked over the 2 partners he started off with. That was 1974. This started a string of scummy legal maneuvres by Atari. Atari spent more time in the court room than they did making video games. The leader of Scummy behaviour was taken by Nintendo after 1986. Scummy behaviour in the video game industry has been going on for 50 years. Keep this in mind whenever you watch Morten and Campbell present themselves as your "RTS gaming buddies". Knowing how scummy the industry is allows me to enjoy my gaming hobby a lot more. I make better, more informed decisions and concoct better strategies for spending time and money. I do not think the announcement about Stormgateworld.com being deprecated was posted here. Here it is. People... do not take your eye off the ball on any of these issues. THis is what's up. "Whatever Is Best For Business". On March 17 2024 17:31 _Spartak_ wrote:
You realize that they haven't spent all of their money yet, right? And they won't have spent all of their money by early access release either. Here is the FAQ clarifying their funding situation:
https://playstormgate.com/news/frost-giant-business-faq
And to answer your question, yes. What they have done so far with the money they have is remarkable. AAA games cost well over $100m these days. You provided a document that took 10 days to make. It was carefully edited and engineered to placate their employees and customers. I prefer the far more authentic discussion by Ms. Laforge on September 21, 2023. Given those two different messages I am going with Ms. Laforge's statements. She seemed 100% authentic and it was an in-person, on-camera ad lib interview. She was not fully prepped with specific bullet points to hit. Frost Giant's actions and game play reveals over the past six months are congruent with Ms. Laforge's statements on September 21,2023. Thus, I agree with Ms Laforge: I think they are in big trouble financially. Wow, that image is a red flag. They've been infected by AI hype into thinking that player replay data is valuable... Player replay data is definitely valuable and can even be a source of profit. In DOTA players can pay a premium to get access to their advanced stats in order to improve. In SC2 the community loves stats. Matchup data, map data, early game data, late game data, resources mined etc. Not to mention having AIs play the game can completely change how people improve. Chess AIs have been teaching even the best how to play for years now. It's not like they're using AI to generate content. Valuable enough to charge for API access? I doubt it, frankly. Sites used to have free APIs with the assumption that the cost of running the API was worth it because people building on your site adds value, until OpenAI basically scraped every last piece of data from the internet and now they're scrambling to license their APIs. I think this is a reaction to that - Valve, Blizzard, Riot, they've never charged for their game APIs and that's probably the only reason you get sites like dotabuff and such.
I remember a lot of third party sites tracking SC2 info/ ladders in the early days/ years and Blizzard took them all out/ blocked them. And not even to sell them but to hide data. It took years for Blizzard to finally show us some kind of MM Rating instead of just "You are in Diamond League" whatever that means
And someone literally just said Valve sells premium access for money...
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The thing about the amount of players: I'm one of the people who has enjoyed playing the game, but playing on the same co-op map or the same 1v1 map (it does get rotated every 10 days or so) does get a little tiring, especially with only two races. So a lot of people like me play less later on in the build.
For me, as a late 30s gamer, this feels normal. I wouldn't play any game a ton if there wasn't a lot of content. If I was interested in playing it competitively I would be grinding hundreds of games to the end, as top players were (I know one guy had almost 1,000 wins, several others had 800+ games in the last build).
As the content (hopefully) expands and more maps/third race/new mechanics are introduced, I'm sure the casual base will be playing more and more. Let's just hope FGS can deliver enough content on Early Access release to keep people interested.
(Or wait, am I supposed to hope the game dies? That's what this thread feels like most of the time now!)
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https://old.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1bfuj4g/frost_giant_and_stormgate_at_gdc_next_week/
It'll be interesting to see if any voice actors license their voices to Frost Giant for the creation AI bots that can say anything. It is interesting they name drop SAG-AFTRA even though SAG-AFTRA has been fucking over video game voice actors for a while now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67922303
In this union voice actors are the lowest ones in the power hierarchy and the first ones to get sacrificed in any negotiation.
Trying to make "voice acting" the cornerstone of your career in 2024 is a bad idea. If you are an RL actor you can do voice acting part time i guess. THat said, The AI Bots are coming and famous voices like James Earl Jones have already souled out.
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