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the aoe2 scene is definately smaller than sc2, but theviper is definately up there with the bests.
aoe2 and aoe4 are quite different games, so while there are carryovers, they wont mean everything.
On March 10 2022 08:25 WombaT wrote:
Where’s a good place to find the VoDs of some of these recent high level AoE4 tournaments?
lots of stuff can be found on youtube. nili_aoe was hosting the recent tourney and is uploading on his channel, EGCTV is a small organisation doing weekly bouts with top players, lidakor is an aoe2/aoe4 caster doing quite a bit of content.
liquipedia is up to date with tournaments, so you can often search for specific games or sets of that tournament on youtube and get good results.
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On March 10 2022 07:18 HolydaKing wrote:
You're being too hard on TheViper. He's split on AoE 2 and AoE 4, with still playing a lot of AoE 2. Who knows how good he would be if he dropped AoE 2.
Ah ok, that makes sense then.
When MLord was concentrating on AoE, he dropped in Sc2 rather quickly and was pretty bad in the DH Season Finals, he qualified for.
Still the Top 4 after the Groups are the 4 SC2 Players, wich I find pretty remarkable
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On March 10 2022 08:25 WombaT wrote:
Where’s a good place to find the VoDs of some of these recent high level AoE4 tournaments?
twitch.tv/nili_aoe is where you can watch the vods.
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On March 10 2022 07:00 dbRic1203 wrote:
SC2 Players are aparently pretty strong in AoE4 as well
According to Liquipedia TheViper is regarded as the best AoE2 Play, so he s like the Maru of their game and he gets bullied by some A-C Tier SC2 (Ex-) Pros.
Anyone with some insight on this?
Is the AoE scene so much smaller and less competitiv? Or is the gameplay so different, that the skillset isn t translating good into the new game?
This is literaly the very first time, I m watching AoE
TheViper ist the only player in the tournament who is not exclusively playing aoe4. As a matter of fact, he has been playing a ton of aoe2. Since the release of aoe4, there have been 3 S-tier tournaments in aoe2. Viper won 2 and reached the semis in the third one. He also missed most of the aoe4 beta due to another S-tier aoe2 tournament, which he won. Basically, he has been playing waaaaay less aoe4 than the other 7 players in the N4C. If anything, I'd say it is rather remarkable that he is able to keep up with the other top aoe4 players.
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On March 11 2022 01:34 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2022 07:00 dbRic1203 wrote:
SC2 Players are aparently pretty strong in AoE4 as well
According to Liquipedia TheViper is regarded as the best AoE2 Play, so he s like the Maru of their game and he gets bullied by some A-C Tier SC2 (Ex-) Pros.
Anyone with some insight on this?
Is the AoE scene so much smaller and less competitiv? Or is the gameplay so different, that the skillset isn t translating good into the new game?
This is literaly the very first time, I m watching AoE TheViper ist the only player in the tournament who is not exclusively playing aoe4. As a matter of fact, he has been playing a ton of aoe2. Since the release of aoe4, there have been 3 S-tier tournaments in aoe2. Viper won 2 and reached the semis in the third one. He also missed most of the aoe4 beta due to another S-tier aoe2 tournament, which he won. Basically, he has been playing waaaaay less aoe4 than the other 7 players in the N4C. If anything, I'd say it is rather remarkable that he is able to keep up with the other top aoe4 players.
So he tried to Play competitiv in both games?
Thats pretty impressive.
Is he the only AoE2 player, whos also playing AoE4 though?
Or is it the same with SC:BW and SC2 where most players want to stick with their game ?
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I have read that after the initial hype AoE 4 development, patching, bug fixes has slowed down considerably. How is the balance these days? How is the community? Is this going to be in for the long ride?
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On March 11 2022 06:19 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2022 01:34 ggrrg wrote:On March 10 2022 07:00 dbRic1203 wrote:
SC2 Players are aparently pretty strong in AoE4 as well
According to Liquipedia TheViper is regarded as the best AoE2 Play, so he s like the Maru of their game and he gets bullied by some A-C Tier SC2 (Ex-) Pros.
Anyone with some insight on this?
Is the AoE scene so much smaller and less competitiv? Or is the gameplay so different, that the skillset isn t translating good into the new game?
This is literaly the very first time, I m watching AoE TheViper ist the only player in the tournament who is not exclusively playing aoe4. As a matter of fact, he has been playing a ton of aoe2. Since the release of aoe4, there have been 3 S-tier tournaments in aoe2. Viper won 2 and reached the semis in the third one. He also missed most of the aoe4 beta due to another S-tier aoe2 tournament, which he won. Basically, he has been playing waaaaay less aoe4 than the other 7 players in the N4C. If anything, I'd say it is rather remarkable that he is able to keep up with the other top aoe4 players. So he tried to Play competitiv in both games? Thats pretty impressive. Is he the only AoE2 player, whos also playing AoE4 though? Or is it the same with SC:BW and SC2 where most players want to stick with their game ?
Some have tried it, you can check the last huge AoE 2 tournaments and compare with AoE 4 tournaments on liquipedia. There are definitely some players that have competed in both games. For TheViper it's perfectly understandable that he still plays AoE 2 as long as there's good money on the line, as he seems to be the best at it. Serral also tried AoE 4 and appeared in like top 20 ladder in December/January, but it was understandable that he went back to focus on SC2 only.
Not sure if any of the other good AoE 2 players focused on AoE 4 yet. I think HerA might be one of those and he probably would have qualified for Nilis AoE 4 Cup, but he did not want to travel to Germany for 10 days (apparently lost motivation? seen people say he's playing LoL).
Anyway I'm hyped for today. Cheering for Leenock and Demuslim.
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On March 11 2022 06:19 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2022 01:34 ggrrg wrote:On March 10 2022 07:00 dbRic1203 wrote:
SC2 Players are aparently pretty strong in AoE4 as well
According to Liquipedia TheViper is regarded as the best AoE2 Play, so he s like the Maru of their game and he gets bullied by some A-C Tier SC2 (Ex-) Pros.
Anyone with some insight on this?
Is the AoE scene so much smaller and less competitiv? Or is the gameplay so different, that the skillset isn t translating good into the new game?
This is literaly the very first time, I m watching AoE TheViper ist the only player in the tournament who is not exclusively playing aoe4. As a matter of fact, he has been playing a ton of aoe2. Since the release of aoe4, there have been 3 S-tier tournaments in aoe2. Viper won 2 and reached the semis in the third one. He also missed most of the aoe4 beta due to another S-tier aoe2 tournament, which he won. Basically, he has been playing waaaaay less aoe4 than the other 7 players in the N4C. If anything, I'd say it is rather remarkable that he is able to keep up with the other top aoe4 players. So he tried to Play competitiv in both games? Thats pretty impressive. Is he the only AoE2 player, whos also playing AoE4 though? Or is it the same with SC:BW and SC2 where most players want to stick with their game ?
Most of the former aoe2 pro's want to stick with aoe2. There are some who are trying to balance both but haven't had much success. The only player who has had pretty good results in both games has been Viper. Hera has as well, though he initially played only aoe4 with very little aoe2 on the side, compared to Viper who was splitting his time.
Hera no longer streams either game and switched to league.
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Holy shit BeastyQT vs Vortix was such a fun series, but first game of Leenock vs Marinelord was next level. SO GOOD.
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On March 11 2022 17:09 Harris1st wrote:
I have read that after the initial hype AoE 4 development, patching, bug fixes has slowed down considerably. How is the balance these days? How is the community? Is this going to be in for the long ride?
I think right now it is in a difficult spot for "normal" players and for eSports. For normal players, the patching is just insanely slow and frustrating. Even bug fixes stay in the game forever and even after 5 months we still have no ranked mode. That's not... good.
As for competitive play, the game seems decent, but the organizers have to come up with specific rules to make the games interesting. Which is kinda weird, in my opinion. And I am a bit shocked that Microsoft does not seem to give a shit about competitive play. I would have expected them to push it quite a bit, tbh.
I love the tournaments that are there, but the viewer numbers are frustratingly low. I still enjoy it for what it is though. And _I am happy how well Leenock does there right now.
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Wow, I think Marinelord was too tilted after game 1. Leenock played like a beast but it was also clearly visible that he Marinelord could not believe how these games are going.
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Final in 30 mins!
Lets gooooo Beasty.
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God awful first map, probably the worst game I've seen this tournament. Hope this gets better and there is no finals curse.
That said, I fully expected it. No way Rus loses that map against the English and Beasty made it even more brutal.
edit: Yeah ok, BeastyQT knows Leenock very well from ladder and beat him in the round robin before quite handily. Doesn't seem different so far. Seems to counter him fairly well. Not ideal civilization picks add to that.
Holy shit BeastyQT even winning the "free win" game 3 where Leenock picks the best civ and Beasty outdrafts by picking arguably the worst. Was an EZ win for Leenock but why no walls? Awful.
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On March 14 2022 01:54 HolydaKing wrote:
God awful first map, probably the worst game I've seen this tournament. Hope this gets better and there is no finals curse.
That said, I fully expected it. No way Rus loses that map against the English and Beasty made it even more brutal.
edit: Yeah ok, BeastyQT knows Leenock very well from ladder and beat him in the round robin before quite handily. Doesn't seem different so far. Seems to counter him fairly well. Not ideal civilization picks add to that.
Holy shit BeastyQT even winning the "free win" game 3 where Leenock picks the best civ and Beasty outdrafts by picking arguably the worst. Was an EZ win for Leenock but why no walls? Awful.
Beasty is playing so solid. Its leenock bashing his head against a brick wall so far.
I have to go to work  I hope the rest of the games are good.
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On March 14 2022 03:03 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2022 01:54 HolydaKing wrote:
God awful first map, probably the worst game I've seen this tournament. Hope this gets better and there is no finals curse.
That said, I fully expected it. No way Rus loses that map against the English and Beasty made it even more brutal.
edit: Yeah ok, BeastyQT knows Leenock very well from ladder and beat him in the round robin before quite handily. Doesn't seem different so far. Seems to counter him fairly well. Not ideal civilization picks add to that.
Holy shit BeastyQT even winning the "free win" game 3 where Leenock picks the best civ and Beasty outdrafts by picking arguably the worst. Was an EZ win for Leenock but why no walls? Awful. Beasty is playing so solid. Its leenock bashing his head against a brick wall so far. I have to go to work I hope the rest of the games are good.
If games from game 5 onwards are not going to be better, you didn't miss much - BeastyQT completely owns him.
Game 4 at one point "seemed" more even but Beasty was always ahead by a quite huge margin. At one point Leenock killed lots of villagers and was ahead in vills, it was like ~80 to 50 in favour of Leenock. But don't be fooled, he was an age higher, had A LOT better military (it was like 60 to 20 military pop) and map control while controlling sacred sites as Delhi...
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wow, HRE in Imperial is insane. Was a fun game though, with Beasty trying to prevent Leenock from reaching Imperial.
And I still don't know what Leenock was thinking with his "Home Map" - or if he misunderstood the idea behind it.
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On March 14 2022 04:19 Swisslink wrote:
wow, HRE in Imperial is insane. Was a fun game though, with Beasty trying to prevent Leenock from reaching Imperial.
Yeah, I think Beasty already knew he was in a rough spot when he let Leenock get 3 relics... Think there was some reaction in his face. He actually managed to do really well but then HRE imperial saved Leenock.
Last game was another ez win for Beasty.... sad. A lot better, more entertaining games yesterday - the games today were not even. But I can't blame Leenock, he outplayed Marinelord. Might just be that Marinelord is bad against Leenock, but I think he would have had a much better shot against Beasty.
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Beastyqt absolutely has Leenocks numbers, as previous matches already showed.
My only gripe is, that split maps absolutely need to be removed (meaning Mongolian hights)
And Leenocks inexperience really showed
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