Age of Empires IV - Page 17

On December 20 2021 05:41 Latham wrote:
Wow grats to DeMuslim for winning that D:
That HRE build order is just insane, early Aachen for eco boost, into Regnitz with relics for easy 900 gold income per minute, into Palace of Swabia which just pumps out villagers like crazy.

On December 20 2021 16:19 FabledIntegral wrote:


I switched my BO to this about a few weeks ago (not original by me), and my ELO has since spiked. I know there's some ELO inflation, but it feels particualrly strong vs most civs, except for perhaps Rus (can't seem to ever get castle before Rus, they get all the deer first, and then their cav archers prevent all prelates from getting relics and overwhelm you).

Not to mention the warrior monk takes all the relics before you can generally get them.

(I have played HRE since release).

On December 20 2021 22:27 Jealous wrote:

QoL mechanics were indeed added in SC2 and thus require less APM in some areas, but at the same time Blizzard added in other mechanics such as injection, chrono, etc. to make up the difference. However, it wasn't until a series of changes and expansions that SC2 because so fast-paced, and IMO it has to do with the discrepancy between harassing unit DPS and worker HP, but that's a different discussion. So, while I do agree with your point concerning SC2, I don't think it applies to AoE4 to the same extent, simply because of the nature of the units involved. Either way, there is still a lot of development ahead of us, so let's see what's in store

On December 20 2021 19:33 nojok wrote:

Is there any other build for HRE though? The prelate fix was a huge buff and some maps can reliably offer a good chapel placement hitting all 3 ressources.

I play a lot of abbasid, I don't know how to counter HRE at all. The MAA rush is easily handled with a few camel archers because their high damage ignore the early maa's high armor, but they're way too slow and expensive on the offensive. I don't know how to deny the fast castle though, the HRE player will usually have a stable for proscout and a barrack for safety ready, both produce counters to archers

I tried 2nd TC rush, the eco difference was not close, Aachen chapel + pro scout means a fuck ton of ressources, then Reignitz then gg.

I hope proscout is removed sooner rather than later, deers need a higher gather rate because they scatter but when they're dropped right under the delivery camp with one of chapel/imperial officer/Rus bonus, it becomes insanity.

On December 23 2021 16:09 GTR wrote:
really disliking this fire lancer meta right now - you feel like the biggest dumbass losing to a flood of imperial-produced fire lancers out of nowhere right clicking your landmarks

On December 24 2021 00:33 Jealous wrote:

This is the way a lot of RTS develop, historically, IMO. At first, early aggression is strong because builds are unoptimized and transitions can be clunky. We saw this with BW, AoE2, SC2, etc. Eventually as the meta develops and the dedicated player base improves on average, people are more likely to have less success with early aggression strategies. That is why it is important to nip OP mid- and late-game strategies in the bud early on in the development of an RTS, to pre-empt the eventual decline of early aggression approaches.

We don't see this as much at the pro level now because:

1. Players are already bringing a wealth of RTS experience to AoE4, so they are already exploring these later strategies
2. Top players aren't casuals like you or me, they are already better at holding overly aggressive builds

So, in short, while I don't doubt that your approach works for you, I do think that this potential problem is worth looking at objectively and not through the lens of what happens in your games.