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On December 17 2021 08:19 nojok wrote:Yeah it was great, the players delivered. Not a big fan of casters though, I rate the French one a bit above the English ones, but not by much and mostly because he's speaking French. + Show Spoiler +Mlord was commentating his games before his internet dropped, it's a great viewer experience
T90 and Dave are some of the few English casters I will listen to in any game and they make a great team, kind of a "sum of their parts" kind of thing, and Nili as not-too-distant third wheel. T90 seems to be more focused on AOE2 still so that would explain his lack of participation as a commentator here as he was commentating an AOE2 tour at around the same time (which also probably impacted a fair amount of AOE2 players in the tour but I won't conjecture too much). Do give the T90 + Dave or Nili combo a try some time if you have the chance in AOE4!
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I want Grubby and Day9 as English casters! <3 That would be awesome
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I watched that tournament the past 2 days and the games were great. Glad to see that springalds are finally fulfilling their original role of being anti-siege. I'm sad Viper got knocked out in the semis, but the finals were great nonetheless.
as far as casters go, T90 and Viper both went to Facebook gaming, so you won't hear them on Twitch, even as co-casters I think.
Recently (1 week ago) there was a BIG AoE2 tournament called "King of the Desert IV" and the main caster & organizer MembTV didn't collab with T90, probably because both Facebook & Twitch wouldn't like that very much, so T90 was casting the big tournament separately to his viewers on Facebook while MembTV & a variety of co-casters to people on Twitch.
This contract will last ~2 years so your chances of hearing T90 cast outside of Facebook & maybe YouTube vods are slim to none, sadly.
But a lot of AoE2 pros (and I'm told SC2) like to commentate on their own games as they're playing so it should be fine.
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On December 17 2021 19:02 Latham wrote:
as far as casters go, T90 and Viper both went to Facebook gaming, so you won't hear them on Twitch, even as co-casters I think.
Recently (1 week ago) there was a BIG AoE2 tournament called "King of the Desert IV" and the main caster & organizer MembTV didn't collab with T90, probably because both Facebook & Twitch wouldn't like that very much, so T90 was casting the big tournament separately to his viewers on Facebook while MembTV & a variety of co-casters to people on Twitch.
This contract will last ~2 years so your chances of hearing T90 cast outside of Facebook & maybe YouTube vods are slim to none, sadly.
T90 was co-casting with Dave the 2nd semifinal and he co-casted with Nili the whole final day. So he is allowed to appear on Twitch channels. Would also be awkward if Viper was playing TGs with his GL boys and they couldn't stream them because of a "non-Twitch clause". They must have spoken about this when they were negotiating the contract and there is no reason for me to believe such a clause is in the contract.
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T90 was commentating on Nili's stream too during the first AoE4 tournament.
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Well then, I stand corrected. I just remember when he announced his decision on Twitch, it was pretty emotional and controversial. T90 later went on to do a YT video explaining it in more detail and the AoE2 reddit blew up in discussion about this topic.
Later he didn't co-cast with Memb, who gave a kind of vague answer as to why so I assumed it was a clause in someone's contract (either Memb's with twitch or T90's with Facebook).
But if that's the case that he CAN co-cast on twitch, please enjoy T90, he's an amazing caster with years of experience and a lot of passion.
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On December 17 2021 18:53 Harris1st wrote:
I want Grubby and Day9 as English casters! <3 That would be awesome
Grubby will be casting Castle Cup with Moletrap later today.
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On December 17 2021 07:56 HolydaKing wrote:
I personally think the most blatant imbalance currently is Rus Horse Archers...
chinese fire lancers are ridiculously overtuned right now with their charge attack (see vortix vs mlord on confluence)
also delhi still have a myriad of bugs that aren't fixed yet, as well as HRE + delhi spears still not bracing leaving them effectively useless defensively against cavalry.
also a lot of the top oceania players (hut, iaguz etc) are saying that professional scouts has pretty much ruined how food is managed in the game and they feel it needs to be either removed or nerfed hard.
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Professional scouts does need a nerf. A simple nerf would make scouts move slower with deer on their backs. That would allow counter play, because currently it's very hard to stop someone from getting hunts and putting them under their TC.
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On December 18 2021 07:41 blade55555 wrote:
Professional scouts does need a nerf. A simple nerf would make scouts move slower with deer on their backs. That would allow counter play, because currently it's very hard to stop someone from getting hunts and putting them under their TC.
That's a good one indeed.
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Balance is saved by tournament formats, a one civ format would show its terrible state. Their balance team is bad and don't even talk to top players, who are a way better source of information than starcraft pros who play only one race.
At my level it's fine though, sure autoloss to mongols on hybrid maps or Chinese/Rus lategame are very annoying but the rest I feel like I lose because my opponent played better.
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On December 18 2021 08:48 nojok wrote:
Balance is saved by tournament formats, a one civ format would show its terrible state. Their balance team is bad and don't even talk to top players, who are a way better source of information than starcraft pros who play only one race.
At my level it's fine though, sure autoloss to mongols on hybrid maps or Chinese/Rus lategame are very annoying but the rest I feel like I lose because my opponent played better.
I mean it kind of has to be that way, there are too many civs to balance it well. Also, I'm guessing they will add even more in the future which will make it even more impossible.
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On December 18 2021 09:02 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2021 08:48 nojok wrote:
Balance is saved by tournament formats, a one civ format would show its terrible state. Their balance team is bad and don't even talk to top players, who are a way better source of information than starcraft pros who play only one race.
At my level it's fine though, sure autoloss to mongols on hybrid maps or Chinese/Rus lategame are very annoying but the rest I feel like I lose because my opponent played better. I mean it kind of has to be that way, there are too many civs to balance it well. Also, I'm guessing they will add even more in the future which will make it even more impossible.
I don't expect the level of balance of SC2 or BW, but they should at least keep the obviously broken stuff in check.
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On December 18 2021 18:53 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2021 09:02 HolydaKing wrote:On December 18 2021 08:48 nojok wrote:
Balance is saved by tournament formats, a one civ format would show its terrible state. Their balance team is bad and don't even talk to top players, who are a way better source of information than starcraft pros who play only one race.
At my level it's fine though, sure autoloss to mongols on hybrid maps or Chinese/Rus lategame are very annoying but the rest I feel like I lose because my opponent played better. I mean it kind of has to be that way, there are too many civs to balance it well. Also, I'm guessing they will add even more in the future which will make it even more impossible. I don't expect the level of balance of SC2 or BW, but they should at least keep the obviously broken stuff in check.
I do agree with that of course. There are a lot of bugs still (as mentioned by others above) and some things are too strong that can and should be tuned down. But even after that, there will always be some civs that counter other civs (if only on certain maps) and players will need to either be lucky, play extraordinary strategies or "just" play better than their opponent to win with unfavored civs. That's the nature of games with so many civs though. Which one I do prefer depends on how the balance is, so far AoE IV esports is pretty fun to watch but it's also really new and with time it could change to the better or worse.
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these large prize money tournaments are brutal - daut got knocked out round 2 by a brazilian sc2 player.
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That was actually expected.
AoE2 had a much smaller pro scene. Also game allowed players to play with "a little less" apm. Daut will always be a fan favourite but even himself probably realized this is going to happen eventually.
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On December 20 2021 01:24 Aceace wrote:
That was actually expected.
AoE2 had a much smaller pro scene. Also game allowed players to play with "a little less" apm. Daut will always be a fan favourite but even himself probably realized this is going to happen eventually.
Oddly enough I feel that due to the numerous QoL additions and changes, AoE4 should have a lower mechanical requirement for success. Reading into one-off results this early into game development/balancing, especially with many of these players investing only part of their time into the game, doesn't make sense.
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Seeing Demuslim face off against VortiX in a finals of an AoE tournament is great.
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On December 20 2021 02:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2021 01:24 Aceace wrote:
That was actually expected.
AoE2 had a much smaller pro scene. Also game allowed players to play with "a little less" apm. Daut will always be a fan favourite but even himself probably realized this is going to happen eventually. Oddly enough I feel that due to the numerous QoL additions and changes, AoE4 should have a lower mechanical requirement for success. Reading into one-off results this early into game development/balancing, especially with many of these players investing only part of their time into the game, doesn't make sense.
And brutal map generation too, bo1s are scary. Some tourneys checked maps and gave seeds to players, it's a necessity atm imo.
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On December 20 2021 03:24 Swisslink wrote:
Seeing Demuslim face off against VortiX in a finals of an AoE tournament is great.
It's simply incredible how strong Demuslim is recently, and he can't believe it himself going by his Twitter account...
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