EPT[H] DotA items - Page 9
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
There are heroes that are stronger the lower the skill level of the game, like Bloodseeker, Night Stalker, Pudge... mostly because nobody buys wards and everyone is self-centered as opposed to applying pressure on the other team and lacking overall teamwork, but they are all easily counterable. Seeker can't do shit before he gets radiance or dagon. As someone already mentioned, you can counter seeker with TP assuming he's trying to gank you alone. But that's not the only way. Depending on your hero, you can just not run and stun/slow with good timing so by the time rupture wears out, he won't have the speed bonus to be able to kill you. Anyway, to answer your question more directly: If I random, I buy a chicken and often RoR (I say often since it changes depending on hero, like Terrorblade is better off with basilius) and go to my lane to see who I'm laning against then buy items accordingly. If pick or repick, chicken --> 1 set of tangos or none and do the same, buy accordingly There are heroes that will have set builds that do decently vs anything, like if you're going hood anti-mage, in which case I go 2 RoR --> hands of midas --> hood. | ||
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paper
13197 Posts
just fight him esp if he you have an ally nearby | ||
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terr13
United States298 Posts
Starting Items are usually the same, RoR, circlet, branches, clarities, tangoes, gauntlets, mantles, and slippers. However, it does depend on what you plan to do in the lane and later in the game. If you plan to go Mek or Hood, you might want to start off with RoR + 2 Branches. If you're gonna harass a lot with your spells, you might want more clarities. It doesn't really stay the same every game. However, if you don't really know what to get, RoR + 2 Branches is a good option, along with pretty much any combination of Branches, circlets and Tangoes. Chicken depends on your team, 1 chicken is enough for the entire team, no point in wasting your early gold. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
On July 18 2007 13:28 paper wrote: blood rage cancels TP btw :s just fight him esp if he you have an ally nearby ...since when? Maybe you're getting confused since bloodrage does cancel furion's teleport. The only skill that can silence active items is doom afaik. Well, sometimes you are bound to die and there is nothing you can do about it. He has bonus speed and has vision of you. No way to juke him or outrun him. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On July 18 2007 20:36 Equinox_kr wrote: You can get another Chicken if you're a soloing hero and you really need it (Silencer and Viper come to mind) because you need your stuff more than other people do; it won't be good if you really need a Flask or something and your Chicken is halfway on the other side of the map :-/ wtff, 2 chickens? no thanks the reason being, if you're a competent solo, you won't need your own chicken. you're trying to stay in lane as long as you can to farm, you won't be making any risky/stupid moves to get your health so low agreed? | ||
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terr13
United States298 Posts
SnY is a very poor item overall. It's made for people who don't know where the secret shop is. For 5100, you get +16 damage, +16 str, +16 agi, +10% ms, +10% ias, and 10% maim. Low damage output (32 damage, and 16% ias) for agi heroes, low strength gain (300 health, and about .5 hp/sec) for tankers, a good slow (35% for 6 seconds, if it procs at 10%), and good boost to speed. For 300 more gold you can buy MKB, for 400 more gold you can get Heart, for 300 more gold you can buy a Radiance and farm another SnY in a couple minutes, or for 75 more gold you can buy Guinsoo's. If you want movement speed, save the 2200 in recpes costs and buy a Boots of Travel. And for whoever said SnY on Clinkz, you are retarded since you don't even get the maim with your arrows, and you have ms from your Wind Walk. Skadi is about 2000 more, gives more hp, more mana, more ias, slightly less damage, and has a slow that always procs, and can be stacked with orbs for ranged heroes. Branches are one of the best starting items. It is one of the most cost-efficient items in the game. If I had infinite item slots, almost all of them would be branches, like 95%. Getting +3 stats early on is pretty big, it increases everything except your movespeed. For the price of 1425, you can get +25 to all stats, which is the same as Skadi without the slow. Combine it with Tangos or RoR as your regeneration item. Clarities shouldn't be used too often, since it increases harassment with spells, but doesn't help you last hit or deny. With branches, you deal more damage to everything, and increase your life. I usually start pub games with something like Circlet, Branch, and 3 sets of tangos. If theres a chicken on my team, I get more branches and less tangos. Ring of Basilius is a good item to start off with. +6 damge early on increases your damage by 10%. +3 armor is 15% physical damge reduction that early on. On top of that you gain premanent mana regeneration. Of course, it doesn't help out everyone, but its not as bad as other people might think. Getting Nulls as your first item isn't the smartest thing I've heard today, it doesnt give as much gain compared to not buying the recipe and buying 2 branches instead. Radiance is not purely a damage item. If you wanted damage then MKB is about the same price. It doesn't increase damge from Sacred Relic, it only grants immolation. However, it is one of the best items, since it makes you farm like a god. It gives some damage, and huge farming capabilities for the rest of the game, but if its already late game its better to get another tier 4 damage item. BoTs should almost always be gotten over Treads. The teleportation will help you live, push, defend, gank more then the small gain in IAS. It also gives more MS which is always good. Don't let the heroes primary attribute box you in on what build to go. Tiny and Earthshaker are spellcasters as str heroes. Death prophet and Pugna are build like a tank, not a spellcaster. Antimage and Ursa are tanks. I know people will probably argue these points... Pretty much Paper is right in most cases, and Lastwish knows nothing. As proof I'll breakdown his post: Arcane ring is not used to fill out random mana pools. Venge, Sven, Spectre, Chaos Knight, NA, and Tiny never get Arcane. Only ones that might get it are Zeus and Priestess. If you just buy branches early on, you would increase mana regeneration and mana pool, instead of having 10 clarities or whatever you do. Leshrac does not go Arcane. Leshrac has no life. Leshrac needs his ult. Your build doesn't help those until later. Go early blink, maybe Vanguard, then Soul Booster to BoTs to Aghanim's Scepter. Your Void stone does nothing since it is gotten so late, and isn't made into anything. No assault Cuirass, you won't get there, but Heart is always good. Let someone else get Mek. Even your skill build is wrong. Diabolic Edict does nothing for you early on, whereas Lightning Storm and Split Earth help you gank, dominate lanes, and farm. Edict is mainly used to rape towers. Not getting Split Earth is bypassing a his only stun. Spectre does not go treads. Spectre does not go MoM. Spectre is usually a carry hero, that goes Radiance to Heart to another damage item, and ganks with his ult+dagger. His ult does huge damage in team battles when you've farmed enough. BoTs is much better than treads on him. Don't get stout shield if you're not building anything with it. Unless I mixed up his abilities, Desolate is the ability that is considered completely and utterly worthless. If you don't get dispersion, you just skipped one of the best skills in the entire game. Once, a Riki comes to gank my friend as Spectre. Riki hits, hits, hits and runs the hell away since he's going to die. Funny thing is Spectre never even turned around to hit him. Riki pretty much owned himself. He later got stunned and dies. Most likely, you need stats early on instead of dispersion, or else it won't even trigger before you die. That was a very long post from a very tired man. A few final notes. Diffusal is for Purge, Manta is for illusions. The manaburn is just a huge side bonus. And if you learn anything from this post: SnY sucks. Contact me at: Aim: Scrtof Email: Chaoticvoid@gmail.com WC3: keviniswh0re | ||
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paper
13197 Posts
On July 18 2007 21:54 Heen wrote: ...since when? Maybe you're getting confused since bloodrage does cancel furion's teleport. The only skill that can silence active items is doom afaik. Well, sometimes you are bound to die and there is nothing you can do about it. He has bonus speed and has vision of you. No way to juke him or outrun him. orly i just recall someone's teleport getting cancelled i dono if it was furion or not :d btw anyone up for some games? ^^ | ||
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LastWish
2015 Posts
God help you. Sorry but if you play it just from replays and stuff you're never going to understand it, and my lesharc is one of the best. This hero doesn't need aghanims, because his ulti is his minor skill till you get this in your head your not going anywhere. But ok play vs me and i'll show you. Sure split earth is good, but you'll hardly get to target any hero because it has like 1.5 casting time. But scorpion and split earth may work just fine, i'm solo mid leshrac and you'll taste my vengeance. Same goes for spectre, desolate is one of the best skill if hero come far enough to do it. You'll never get radiance in real game, but those items i've said are not that hard to get. | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
For a long time I'd go dual bracer regardless of what hero I had, but I found I went through tangos really fast. Then I played the latest AI map, and frankly, their buy plan off the start is actually really good. It's just RoR/tangos/work toward 1+ bracer/talisman depending. It's really easy to stay in a lane, as the RoR negates the damage you take from creeps in between hits, and most of the damage from harass spells (chain lightning, etc.) is negated by the regen by the time you're hit with it again, and if you get pushed aggressively, popping a tango increases your regen to 9hp/sec. The stats really only make it harder to burst you down. :/ | ||
thedeadhaji
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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terr13
United States298 Posts
Leshrac's ult is not his minor skill. Lightning storm does 265. Diabolic Edict does 50 to a random target for 8 seconds. Unless you don't plan to go to a team battle, Edict won't do much damage to their team. Storm won't do much damage, and if you don't get Split Earth, which is 290 damage, then you won't do damage period. His ult at level 4 does 177, effectively 133 damage a second, for 40 mana a second, hits invis and fog of war, and doesn't stop when your stunned. I don't blame you if you can't aim Split Earth, since it's one of the hardest stuns to aim, but then you probably think Lina shouldn't get LSA, and Vol'Jin shouldn't get maledict. And you know Epicenter takes 2 seconds of casting time right? Should I not get that then? Leshrac also isn't the optimal solo hero, he has less then 500 life. Even with something like 5 branches and a Circlet, you don't break 600 life. At level 7 with 4 points in Stats, you have 910 life. 4 nukes will kill you. That might seem like a lot, but when Zeus comes up to you he does 65 + 350 + 65 + 210 = 690 or 518 effective damage, putting you at less than 400. Add on Vengeful's Stun and you have 150 life, about 3 normal hits in 2 seconds. Desolate doesn't help you in team battles, obviously. It doesn't help you gank much either. It's 45 damage at level 4 per hit. If you get 5 hits in, its as good as a nuke. You're not going to get in 5 hits when it matters. If they're alone, chances are you can already kill them, or you can't kill them anyways. Stats will give you 150 life, which is about 3 hits or half a nuke. I didn't come to this forum just to argue pointlessly with one person. The other people can test out the builds themselves and reach their own conclusions. If you want to play me, get a team and contact me. If you really want to prove your point, then send me a good quality replay, or show me in a real game. Going all regen early on will help you stay in a lane, but its a little harder to farm, harass, and kill the enemy. Pretty much you get to stay there and do less. Finally, are you really being serious when you say that Radiance is unattainable? | ||
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paper
13197 Posts
On July 19 2007 00:00 LastWish wrote: terr13 you are just so stupid... God help you. Sorry but if you play it just from replays and stuff you're never going to understand it, and my lesharc is one of the best. This hero doesn't need aghanims, because his ulti is his minor skill till you get this in your head your not going anywhere. But ok play vs me and i'll show you. Sure split earth is good, but you'll hardly get to target any hero because it has like 1.5 casting time. But scorpion and split earth may work just fine, i'm solo mid leshrac and you'll taste my vengeance. Same goes for spectre, desolate is one of the best skill if hero come far enough to do it. You'll never get radiance in real game, but those items i've said are not that hard to get. 1. his ulti is his minor skill 2. you'll hardly get to target any hero because it has like 1.5 casting time 3. desolate is one of the best skill if hero come far enough to do it 4. You'll never get radiance in real game lmao? theres no point in getting an assault for a spellcaster his ulti is what makes him --> aghanim's, and agh's provides what the arcane ring and HoT do for you =_= it's not that hard to target when you predict their movements, or have someone disable for you and edict is just a shitty version of his ultimate disperse and dagger > desolate easy for totally obvious reasons and saying you'll "never get radiance" whereas item x is "not that hard to get" is just ridiculously stupid esp when radiance: 5325 heart: 5500 assault: 6320 | ||
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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paper
13197 Posts
btw, you can take advantage of creep's AI by pulling enemy creeps toward your tower by A/click enemy hero + right click back and repeat :d it sometimes scatters the creeps but its somewhat useful if youre melee vs range to get some creep kills | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
I'm going to make mistakes. Hence this thread. I'm having trouble understanding what to buy at the start. Every game seems to give me different amounts of gold, so maybe someone can explain the gold system?  My standard buy plan used to be: tangos/bracer mats boots/bracers (2) HoT if str Bfly if agi Guin if int Which I would modify based on the hero I had (van on axe, bfury on magna or sven, mjoll on razor, mkb on sniper, etc.). But now I notice a lot of people don't get stat items at the start. Then some do. I have no idea when to get regen, when to get stats, when to get a little of both, and so on. $%&$%^&#$ I'm confused again. Then again it's 5 AM and Winnie the Pooh could confuse me. | ||
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paper
13197 Posts
just make sure to use it with style 8) like fuck, you could get a desolator on luna and start raping with style it DOESN'T MATTER! WWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! (rpf, all i can say is to just play more games and see what works out for you most effectively. i could write a manual on how to ride a bike, but, shit, it's easier just to ride it, yeah? you have a lot of knowledge presented within this thread, just apply it as you play and it should all come to you. sometimes its all a matter of preference) | ||
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