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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
February 01 2008 05:58 GMT
#561
just get a necrobook and youre ready to rape
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rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 01 2008 06:02 GMT
#562
You guys will laugh, but I've never bought a necro book. I hardly even know what it does. I know there's an active mana burn ability, a passive mana burn ability, and one of the two summons does damage to the thing that kills it. I know the level three summons have true sight.

So basically get it to counter clinkz, weaver, riki, etc.?
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
February 01 2008 06:13 GMT
#563
most people jungle bm because he's incredibly effective with axes and his hawk lets you grab runes easily and prevents you from being ganked. i usually just rush bottle -> necro then after that either go heart to tank or possibly dps but usually just tank. i wouldnt get arcane i dunno necro gives you e nough mana and bottle is fine, thats about all you need. basher and sny? its pub safe, but dont be buying those for more serious games you'll get destroyed
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
February 01 2008 06:13 GMT
#564
rpf is el mejor
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
February 01 2008 06:18 GMT
#565
On February 01 2008 15:02 rpf wrote:
You guys will laugh, but I've never bought a necro book. I hardly even know what it does. I know there's an active mana burn ability, a passive mana burn ability, and one of the two summons does damage to the thing that kills it. I know the level three summons have true sight.

So basically get it to counter clinkz, weaver, riki, etc.?


Warrior Necro has feedback passive
and Last Will (Hurts thing that kills it)
Funny story
Southlight killed himself on my necro today, after running half the map from it, he turned aorund and shot it twice and died.

Archer Necro has Speed+Attack speed increase, and an active mana burn
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
February 01 2008 06:30 GMT
#566
nice thing about last will is it's instant damage, like bane's life steal.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 01 2008 06:56 GMT
#567
On February 01 2008 15:18 Butigroove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2008 15:02 rpf wrote:
You guys will laugh, but I've never bought a necro book. I hardly even know what it does. I know there's an active mana burn ability, a passive mana burn ability, and one of the two summons does damage to the thing that kills it. I know the level three summons have true sight.

So basically get it to counter clinkz, weaver, riki, etc.?


Warrior Necro has feedback passive
and Last Will (Hurts thing that kills it)
Funny story
Southlight killed himself on my necro today, after running half the map from it, he turned aorund and shot it twice and died.

Archer Necro has Speed+Attack speed increase, and an active mana burn

Yeah, that was a great game. I remember thinking how good it was to have a necro on our team when South went Lothar's on sniper. Then he kills himself. XD
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 01 2008 06:58 GMT
#568
On February 01 2008 15:13 BlueRoyaL wrote:
most people jungle bm because he's incredibly effective with axes and his hawk lets you grab runes easily and prevents you from being ganked. i usually just rush bottle -> necro then after that either go heart to tank or possibly dps but usually just tank. i wouldnt get arcane i dunno necro gives you e nough mana and bottle is fine, thats about all you need. basher and sny? its pub safe, but dont be buying those for more serious games you'll get destroyed

So how would you build item wise and skill wise to jungle? I'm guessing stout/tangoes to start, then build into a vanguard, and go axes/summon for skills?
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-01 07:26:14
February 01 2008 07:22 GMT
#569
On February 01 2008 15:58 rpf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2008 15:13 BlueRoyaL wrote:
most people jungle bm because he's incredibly effective with axes and his hawk lets you grab runes easily and prevents you from being ganked. i usually just rush bottle -> necro then after that either go heart to tank or possibly dps but usually just tank. i wouldnt get arcane i dunno necro gives you e nough mana and bottle is fine, thats about all you need. basher and sny? its pub safe, but dont be buying those for more serious games you'll get destroyed

So how would you build item wise and skill wise to jungle? I'm guessing stout/tangoes to start, then build into a vanguard, and go axes/summon for skills?

Bottle
Axes/MapHawk

control the rune
creep pull
try to hit 2+ camps wtih every axe
gank at 6

jungling with bm is hard :S

edit: video


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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
February 01 2008 08:10 GMT
#570
Necro's nice because it does so much damage. Special abilities aside, each of these suckers will do about 50 damage per hit to a hero. With beastmaster ult, they can do a crapload of damage, probably more than a dagon could.
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
February 01 2008 08:13 GMT
#571
and basically they'll be raping your target until they disappear because getting away from the damn pig is impossible :{
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Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
February 01 2008 08:13 GMT
#572
probably more than any damage item if the target stays still
+ you run faster
+ mana burns
+ truesight

such a good item
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{ToT}Strafe
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Thailand7026 Posts
February 01 2008 08:21 GMT
#573
game with 5 lvl 5 dagons ftw
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
February 01 2008 08:59 GMT
#574
On February 01 2008 15:56 rpf wrote:Yeah, that was a great game. I remember thinking how good it was to have a necro on our team when South went Lothar's on sniper. Then he kills himself. XD


T_T

What items on Templar Assassin? All I know is Cats said "you should get Deso" the first time I played her, except I played her today and I basically never used it on a hero (cuz I was trapping them down from far away, I wasn't really paying attention to what MY hero was doing, except attack moving it closer and closer). I ended up going Deso -> BoT -> Heart, but that seems really random (and threadbare).
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
February 01 2008 09:26 GMT
#575
i dunno i jungle bm kinda weird
ive only seen one legit replay where there was a good player jungling a bm and that was a long time ago so i dont remember how
but basically my item is usually start with nothing (if someone on my team chickens) and if im scourge i just wait til 2 min kill that weaker creep camp near mid-top then run towards bottom and usually im just in time for a creep pull. the camp in the middle where there's always those strong creeps like ursas centaurs and ogres i usually pull that camp like 2-3 times and leave it til later while im farming the other two in sets of two. so like the left side (the one with the weaker camp) i can hit both with axes, and same with the two that are vertically aligned on the right side of the sentinel jungle.

imo you dont need stout shield to jungle bm ive never had any problems myself without one. i usually rush necro straight after bottle (w/o boots) so as you buy the parts you can just send them in with your chicken, i start first with the belt for the hp boost. when your quillbeast is higher levels it actually can tank a bit so you can switch off taking hits between your bm and your beast when you kill off the tougher creeps. my skill build is usually axe, call, axe, call, axe, roar, call, call, axe then stats til later in the game because stats > the passive increase in attack speed.

of course a good bm will always have their bird flying around and that definitely shouldn't be a problem for us starcraft players - 0-;; i mean... 2 units to control? - _-;;;;;;
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
February 01 2008 13:39 GMT
#576
This thread is beginning to become laughable....mainly rpf since he keeps asking questions about heroes and items we've already gone over in this 29 page long thread.

zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 01 2008 14:08 GMT
#577
So today I talked to one of the best chinese dota players for real and obed another really good guy play qop. The first dude told me he gets bottle, two bracers, euls, boots, then guinsoo, and never gets preseverance. I learned how to play qop for realz by watching the other dude who was sick so now i'm gonna own from now on thnx.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
February 01 2008 14:47 GMT
#578
Euls is good on QoP because you can gank combo most people at low lvl. Euls gives mana regen which you need to spam spells + blink. You can at low level blink nuke ,euls (cooldown of spells + mana regen) -> nuke again when he lands. hit hit hit since hes slowed by poison and keep blinking.
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rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
February 01 2008 15:03 GMT
#579
On February 01 2008 17:59 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2008 15:56 rpf wrote:Yeah, that was a great game. I remember thinking how good it was to have a necro on our team when South went Lothar's on sniper. Then he kills himself. XD


T_T

What items on Templar Assassin? All I know is Cats said "you should get Deso" the first time I played her, except I played her today and I basically never used it on a hero (cuz I was trapping them down from far away, I wasn't really paying attention to what MY hero was doing, except attack moving it closer and closer). I ended up going Deso -> BoT -> Heart, but that seems really random (and threadbare).

That does seem odd, but think about it. You hit someone with deso, hide, and pop out and hit them again. Doesn't the armor reduction result in less mitigation on that extra attack out of hiding? I'm not sure if that works, but hey, deso is a wonderful damage item.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
Groslouser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France337 Posts
February 01 2008 15:05 GMT
#580
On February 01 2008 17:21 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
game with 5 lvl 5 dagons ftw


All dagons are on the same CD.
And yeah, dagon ftw (in pubs).
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