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On January 27 2008 12:39 rpf wrote: - Armlet: Sucks. Every now and then someone will build one, and then they die because they forget to turn it off. hi lonery | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
I think I've seen two people in pubs actually get armlet. They both killed themselves with it, said something to the effect of "wow, fuck that" in all chat, and then the next time I saw them they had sold it and bought other things. XD | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
rest is garbage | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On January 27 2008 13:54 rpf wrote: ? I think I've seen two people in pubs actually get armlet. They both killed themselves with it, said something to the effect of "wow, fuck that" in all chat, and then the next time I saw them they had sold it and bought other things. XD Can't die with it. I am about 99% sure. | ||
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HonkHonkBeep
China353 Posts
On January 27 2008 13:54 rpf wrote: ? I think I've seen two people in pubs actually get armlet. They both killed themselves with it, said something to the effect of "wow, fuck that" in all chat, and then the next time I saw them they had sold it and bought other things. XD lol and no, you can't die with it and no, it doesn't suck and yes, you are still a newb at dota | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Armlet's pretty cheap. No, I don't remember what you need for it, I just remembering thinking "hey, that costs less than Eul's." It gives you massive temporary strength (and attack speed?). This means massive boost in damage for str heroes. I don't really see it being useful for anyone else. Maybe ursa, because his damage is dependent on HP. Since it drains HP as it increases your pool, I think you can pretty much ignore that aspect of it (it will only affect your hp at the end of the fight, which means you're already dead or everyone else is also, so you don't really care). As for idiots forgetting to turn it off and draining out their HP, that says something about the player, not the item. Saying it makes the item suck would be same logic that says some idiots forget to turn off tormented's ult, so it sucks. Right? | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
When armlet first came out, I killed myself with it once. I turned it on at the fountain and walked off to neutral. I died before I got to the neutrals. A teammate did the same thing the same game. I figured it was an active like on satanic, where it's a short duration buff, instead of a toggle ability like Leshrac's ult. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
mostly though i can only see it working on str heros, there are just much better items out there imo for agi/int heros for a boost in health or living then armlet. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On January 28 2008 12:34 Ack1027 wrote: It's pretty much beastmode on Huskar. wordd. armlet is such a good item on several heroes god it's like they created armlet just for huskar - 0-;; | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
noone mentioned you can use it like a 400~ hp heal mekanism in a pinch | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
I like it if you're playing a DPS str hero and you can't survive long enough for a Reaver. There really isn't much in terms of cheap DPS for a str hero other than bracers or tread, I think? | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On January 27 2008 14:03 zizou21 wrote: treads are good now rest is garbage Have you ever played some "high level play"? Treads are garbage except very limited heroes. (Furion, Sven, DT) Furion does not need Travel, as he has already a gay teleporation skill. Sven and DT needs extremely attack speed to do well. For items, I think SnY is utter garbage, vladimir is garbage too (It costs too much and gives nothing), Deso is good but it's easily counterable (Assault+Mek), Rapier is garbage too after the gone of Aegis (You need to kill Roshan and it gives you no survival abilities) Beginning of the game, i think 5 gg branches + 4 tangoes OR if you need mana get clarities instead of gg branches. Now the real question to get items of late game. 1)You are a soloer and excepted to carry your team and farm like a whore. (Silencer, Bone etc..) 2)You are a ganker and your job is ganking not farming. (Venge,Lina etc..) 3)You are a soloer but you need to hit lvl 6-7 ASAP and start roaming to kill something and farm like a bitch too. (Viper, Mirana) 4)You can't solo because you are a melee hero but you're a late game beast. (Sven, Spec, DT) If You're number 1, You'll need to get damage items/survival items ASAP. Butterfly, MKB for Bone ; Guinsoo for Silencer for example. Just farm like mad and don't die too much, you need to farm like shit to carry your team. (These heroes need mostly BKB because they just eat disables.) If You're number 2, FARM NOTHING JUST GANK AND WALK AROUND AND BUY WARDS. Yes these heroes don't need much items, maybe boots,4 bracers and bottle. These heroes sopport the farmer bitch and they don't think to die any second. They're brave, they make their team and carrier hero strong. If You're number 3, This is one of the hardest thing to do. You need to overpower your opponent by killing, and you're excepted to carry your team. You'll need to make balance of killing and farming. Just make these heroes 4 Bracer/Band and Travel, after you get these items, Farm to damage items. If You're number 4, You can't gank, you do not do much thing early game, but if you manage to overcome your early game weakness, you're a beast. Don't make bracers,bands but just go to your goal item. (Radi for Spec, Bkb for Sven, 3x Battlefuries or Butterfly for DT) | ||
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pfff
Belgium1352 Posts
On January 28 2008 20:23 Hyperionnn wrote: For items, I think SnY is utter garbage, vladimir is garbage too (It costs too much and gives nothing), Deso is good but it's easily counterable (Assault+Mek), Rapier is garbage too after the gone of Aegis (You need to kill Roshan and it gives you no survival abilities) DT) armor counters mkb, buriza,... in exactly the same way as it counters desolator, and this still makes deso the cheapest damage item, and it combines well with other physical dps. S and Y is pretty good on ganking heroes if you have money left when the whole map is warded, for example venge is pretty good with s and y, the ms is very good for swapping and chasing for the second stun, and a lucky maim is probably the best thing you autoattack is capable off. its also good on less used heroes like SB, or on TB when you dont have time to get radiance first or straight for skadi, its pretty good on panda too if you skipped blink and went for BoTs. imo s and y is really underrated. Nice division of heroes btw, i agree with it, and yeah, treads suck, only get it when you really really need the ias early and there is no other way of getting it, e.g. sven, am or underfarmed silencer | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
I'm beginning to think that treads really aren't that great anymore. Sure, they're great early game, but come late game when I need to help with map control, those treads really don't help me out too much. One question about the branches vs. bracer routes: - If you buy branches at the start, is it because you're skipping bracers altogether, or do you just buy the branches because of the efficiency? For example, do you buy branches and tangoes because it's the best stat increase for the money, but then buy bracers a bit later on? I only ask because even though I feel very comfortable going 2 circlet/2 tangoes at the start, come late game, the 228 HP I get from the bracers often isn't too significant, seeing as the enemy DPS heroes often hit for that much before mitigation. Early game, that much HP is a good 5-8 more autoattacks worth. That's why I like branches: it gives you the best stat increase possible early game, and as you sell them one by one, the one stat you lose is no longer of any significance, and the branch has more than paid for itself. p.s. Yes, I suck at DotA. That's why I'm asking questions.  There are still heroes I haven't played much.I actually just played Puck for the first time the other day. I like him. Any good builds on him? I've tried going 2 tangoes/2 circlet --> pers/2 bracer --> linken's/BoT, and I like it a lot. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
That's the only other hero that makes sense to get treads on anyway. I made a post earlier about this kinda crap and nobody believed me. People saying shit like 'es' instead of just saying tauren. | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
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HonkHonkBeep
China353 Posts
But it cannot kill you, rpf. If you died with it on "while walking about before reaching neutrals" then you're either lying or you got hit by something. It has a 10 second cooldown and you can reuse it over and over. It adds +500 hp and contrary to what someone above posted that that is not good because it drains life...it's very good. It drains 30 hp/sec. It still takes awhile for that +500 to go away, and then you can turn it off and on quickly and get the +500 back (don't do this in the middle of a fight obviously). If you're at 45 hp with your armlet on, and you can be sure not to be hit as you're running, turn it off and on and you'll go back up to 545 hp. It adds a ton of damage to a str hero, as well as 45% increased attack speed, armor, and some hp regen. | ||
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CobbleStones
United States89 Posts
Treads will be the norm if 6.49c ever becomes the official version. That is all. | ||
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