[H] DotA items - Page 22

On September 02 2007 06:26 Heen wrote:
says paper, who only plays sven, bm and shadow fiend

On September 02 2007 09:38 Elemenope wrote:
It stacks properly now, so you don't need to get the hood before the skill.

On August 30 2007 15:07 rpf wrote:
So go fuck yourself, then. Everyone is new at some point or another, so if you're going to be a condescending prick, well then...oh wait, you fit right in with the majority of DotA players.

"What? You're new? I was born knowing how to play."

On September 02 2007 14:25 Auspicious wrote:


You're so touchy and defensive about everything rpf it's actually kind of sadly amusing to watch. You've GOTTA have massive self-confidence issues.

On September 02 2007 14:25 Auspicious wrote:


You're so touchy and defensive about everything rpf it's actually kind of sadly amusing to watch. You've GOTTA have massive self-confidence issues.

On September 02 2007 14:35 Equinox_kr wrote:


But rpf is right; most DotA players are pricks; the higher-level players make up 90% of GM players -_-;;;

Anyways ...

I'm trying to get better with Crystal Maiden (since in -xl the other team ALWAYS takes Silencer and Beastmaster -_-) and my builds are like so:

Frostbite
Frost Nova
Frostbite
Frost Nova
Frostbite
Frost Nova
Frostbite
Frost Nova
Stats
Freezing Field
Freezing Field
Brilliance Aura x 4
Freezing Field
Stats x 9

Yeah; I usually lane with Slayer or (rarely) Morphling so I think maxing Frostbite and Frost Nova is great for EZ nuke spamming for kills

My item build is:
RoB (Slayer usually gets a Headdress) - Mana regeneration early on
Bracers if needed - HP + extra Mana
BKB - So I don't get pwned by stuns when I fire up my ultimate
Hood - Lowers damage from a crapload of sources
Blink Dagger - BKB, Blink in, Freezing Field. Bye, bye, other team.

Is there anything else I need? Or is this skill/item build sufficient to play a powerful Crystal Maiden? I was thinking about getting Linken's instead of Hood; usually I only see one (rarely two) stuns targetted at me and I think the extra stat boost would help instead of spell reduction. Or would it? -_-;;;

On September 02 2007 15:32 terr13 wrote:
Blink before BKB or Hood. Hood only if you need it, and you forgot you're boots. Don't get brilliance aura, especially that late in the game since you won't need it that much, stats would serve you better.

On September 02 2007 16:52 rpf wrote:
Constructive criticism:

1. Don't get RoB on CM. Why? RoB gives you:

damage
armor
fixed mana regen

Melee spammers take the RoB over the Sobi because they need the damage to help last hit, whereas you have the advantage of having ranged attacks over having to run in to last hit. While a melee spammer runs in to last hit, they're likely to take a couple hits of harassment from the ranged heroes they're laning against, and thus the armor helps to mitigate that. Most melee heroes are not int, and thus will naturally have low int, and thus won't benefit from a Sobi much, hence RoB. Melee heroes have a harder time pushing towers because they spend more time in range of the tower, but not able to actually hit the tower because they have to run in and out of the tower's range, and so turning the aura of the RoB on when pushing and keeping it off when not pushing makes the RoB an incredible first item for a melee spammer like Sven, Leoric, or BM.

Conclusion: Get RoB on melee spammers *only.* Get Sobi on everyone else that needs the regen. When you have ~30 int, the regen is higher than what a RoB gives you. Remember, 0.65 is not 65%.

2. You're getting hood without saying why. Are you getting it just because? If so, that's a bad reason. You should only get hood if the other team has formidable nukers. I look at how many nukes I have to be afraid of on the other team. If you think it's needed, build it first. Otherwise, skip it. It'll only delay your other core items.

3. Dagger before BKB is probably a better order.

4. Don't get brilliance aura. It isn't a modifier, it's just a fixed amount. You'll get better from a Sobi. Max Frostbite/Nova, then get your ult/stats. Get the aura for your last four levels.

So, start out with a Sobi/tangos (I get two sets, but it's up to you). Then finish a pair of bracers while getting boots, then work on a dagger, and then BKB.

A lot of that is situational, though. I'd rush BoT if they're really pushing your towers hard. Otherwise get them last. You may not need the bracers, either. Getting the BKB might give you all of the health you need.

Just my two cents. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just saying I think there are better/more efficient ways to play CM.

On September 02 2007 21:50 new_construct wrote:
hood sucks, don't get it for any hero, a completely defensive item it is going to draw u back even more