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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 21 2016 02:09 GMT
#101
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 21 2016 02:38 GMT
#102
On October 21 2016 10:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Interesting design, are the specs any better than Wii-U?

at best it'll be about the same. depending one which tegra chip we get
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
October 21 2016 02:56 GMT
#103
On October 21 2016 10:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Interesting design, are the specs any better than Wii-U?

Not officially released, I've seen guesswork that says about as powerful as a PS4.
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 03:25:34
October 21 2016 03:14 GMT
#104
I am very interested in the Switch. I own a Wii U.

I dont really care about the portability, it's a feature I will rarely use. But its nice to have.

The cartridge is something I am curious about. Is it really full on 32/64gb sd card to house the complete installation file, or will it act like a authorization key only will base install files then you will have to download the rest? The downloading would suck if it were the case.

As for compatibility, if how its programmed is entirely different from the wii/wiiu, then i hope some sort of emulation could be run directly on it like what they did for the wii on the wii u. About carrying over the games though, thats another issue i hope they could discuss.

Having 2 people each use a side of the joycon to play a 2 player game is interesting but I dont get how it would work given that if you played single player, you had all those buttons from the l and r side, yet when you shift to multiplayer, you only need 4 button and a directional button? I am curious how that would be implemented. My guess is only first party titles would make use of it at most because it wouldn't make sense for other games which would need proper key mapping done.

The base is said to be a charger and display out to tv only. If that is the case, then this device is heaviliy realiant on Wifi connection not a wired connection for connectivity. Given the form factor, I am worried it could overheat or run really hot with similar devices that run hot running full bore with wifi on and most likely bluetooth for the controllers.

Regarding the Joycon, I'm not sure if I saw it right but it showed 4 squares on the left, and 4 squares on the right. That is usually to signify player number right? so does it mean it can support up to 8 players?

I still hope we can use the controllers of the wii u with the switch it does come to it like the pro controller.

But excited to see what comes out on future announcements with additional details.


{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 21 2016 03:30 GMT
#105
WTF....

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jaedrik
Profile Joined June 2015
113 Posts
October 21 2016 03:41 GMT
#106
Thought I'd share this analysis with y'all.

https://smashboards.com/threads/nintenzone-social-4-congratulations-your-nx-evolved-into-the-nintendo-switch-hype.437072/page-1036#post-21504710

"Actually, it's fairly easy to make a reasonable and logical analysis of how the Switch will perform given the information we've been shown, combined with a simply look at the current trends in the market/industry.

I honestly doubt it's gonna do well with how the PS4 is performing. For starters, if it's Tegra (which it most likely is, considering Nvidya already confirmed it's their chipset), at best it'll be 85% as powerful as the PS4 WHEN DOCKED, and it won't even come close to the Neo and the Scorpio, whom both Sony and Microsoft felt were NECESSARY upgrades, due to demand from devs (as well as the advent of VR). So on that front the Switch is already underwhelming. It showed off Skyrim (seemingly remaster), and people are hyping this up like it matters because they believe that normies wanna play Skyrim on the go.

Except there are two problems with this. 1) Skyrim is NOT a game suitable for on the go play. It is a game you sit down, and play for long sessions, getting involved in every minute detail of you environment. So the people who think this is a good idea, will at best try it once, and then realize that it's not all that, and then drop it. 2) The idiots WANTING to buy a remaster of a game that already runs better on PC with EMD mods, are gonna get it on the most powerful machine that will make it look the prettiest, ergo, the Neo. With which, the Switch certainly cannot compete.

Secondly, the market right now is almost entirely owned by the PS4. Everyone has one of those, and even Microsoft is struggling to compete with Sony. How on EARTH is Nintendo gonna draw attention from that crowd? The biggest games out right now are Overwatch, Street Fighter V, and to a smaller degree FFXV (which we'll see on FF, as it might flop critically). If the Switch doesn't get any of those, it's not gonna do well. Especially it comes out in 5 months, and Overwatch will certainly still be relevant then. However, there's a catch here. Most gamers are already playing OW on PC, and wouldn't ever bother to play it on console. Meanwhile, most casuals and normies are playing it where most of their friends are playing it, as OW, to them, is a social experience. In other words, they're playing it on the PS4. So even IF OW came to Switch, I doubt it would help much, as most people will already have it on PS4, and if they upgrade to Neo, they can play the same version of the game there, and they won't really bother to shell out $300/$400 one a Nintendo console, with not many other games to play, and no friends to play it with. So here comes our loop. The PS4 ALREADY has a strong install base, and casual gamers will get the games their friends are playing on the consoles their friends have, in order to play with them.

So, Nintendo won't be able to compete with most core gamers again, at least no directly.

So, casual nongamers. The crowd the Wii drew in. Well, LOOK at the Switch, look at how clunky and bulky that thing is. Unless it comes with enough special features to compete with most smartphones on the market, it won't do well. In addition, designwise, it's nowhere near as sleek as most smarphones today. Setting up a tablet on a table, and pulling out two mini controllers is "too much" for your average person. Not to mention, most high end smarthphones ALREADY out already outperform it, and we have much more coming out soon. South Korea is already developing 11k resolution... for MOBILES.

Furthermore, we have the battery life, and this will be the biggest drawback here, as well as what determines the overall cost of this thing. If it's a powerful Tegra X2, or a variant of it, don't expect much in terms of battery life, UNLESS it comes with expensive batteries, which I doubt, as it would drive the price up well over the $700 price range. Meaning, with your average battery, you're looking at 2-3h of gaming time, AT BEST. Since that's what most mobiles can handle with much smaller and less intense games. No doubt, the design of the device, as well as the battery, will be the deciding factor for most casuals. Most would just rather play Candy Crush on their $700 phones, they don't care for ACTUAL gaming. And most gamers are Savvy enough to know that your average Android capable phone is able to emulate everything from the PS2, back. So they sure as hell wouldn't bother on a new Nintendo device that has a questionable future in terms of library (unless it got hacked, but that's a different story).

Which brings me to my next point. The games:

So, in the trailer, the 1st party titles we saw were:
Another Mario platformer
ANOTHER Mario Kart
What's presumably a port of Splatoon, or at best an exclusive sequel
A port of a WiiU Zelda title

And that's really it. People are hyped for Pokemon on console, and Monster Hunter on console. But for one, the latter already exists on WiiU, and it didn't make a difference for it. And second this is a very similar situation to the WiiU. This is NOT how you launch a console mid generation. No one is gonna pay any mind to the Switch if it's got NO exclusive killer apps right off the bat. And I don't mean just one or two, but EVERYTHING. Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash, DK, FZero, Kirby, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, new IP. IT ALL needs to come out within the first year to have any relevance among gamers. Without that, no one is gonna buy it, which means most 3rd party devs will bail on it after they keep their one game promise, and it'll fade into obscurity. And Nintendo can't continue to churn out casualized forms of their mature IP. On the contrary, it needs to let gamers know that it has games for them too, as well as get its slice of all the multiplat games that everyone loves, and after that.... You have a Gamecube situation at best. With Nintendo running 3rd leg and getting the worst version of the games everyone else is playing on the Playstation. But hey, it's better than a total flop I guess.

So at the end of it all, when you look at the market, and the industry, you really have to ask yourself, now that the Switch has been revealed. WHO? exactly is this machine meant to appeal to? It refuses to compete directly with Sony, it dropped mid gen and doesn't have a very strong launch considering the leaks, and it's too clumsy for the nongamers who already have smartphones. It also won't do VR.

I'll personally be very surprised to see this console be a sweeping success. My pessimism isn't pessimism, it's me saying what I said when Iwata namedropped this thing two years ago. Killing the WiiU early and releasing a console mid-gen when the PS4 ALREADY has a very large established userbase is a very stupid move. Not to mention Sony already one upped Nintendo by releasing the Neo, just before Christmas too.

I honestly DO think Nintendo should just become a 3rd party software developer at this point, rather than continuing to build underpowered consoles. Because they only thing that matters about them at this point is their games, and even those are suffering in their attempts to appeal to a broader audience."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
October 21 2016 05:02 GMT
#107
On October 21 2016 12:41 Jaedrik wrote:
Thought I'd share this analysis with y'all.

https://smashboards.com/threads/nintenzone-social-4-congratulations-your-nx-evolved-into-the-nintendo-switch-hype.437072/page-1036#post-21504710

"Actually, it's fairly easy to make a reasonable and logical analysis of how the Switch will perform given the information we've been shown, combined with a simply look at the current trends in the market/industry.

I honestly doubt it's gonna do well with how the PS4 is performing. For starters, if it's Tegra (which it most likely is, considering Nvidya already confirmed it's their chipset), at best it'll be 85% as powerful as the PS4 WHEN DOCKED, and it won't even come close to the Neo and the Scorpio, whom both Sony and Microsoft felt were NECESSARY upgrades, due to demand from devs (as well as the advent of VR). So on that front the Switch is already underwhelming. It showed off Skyrim (seemingly remaster), and people are hyping this up like it matters because they believe that normies wanna play Skyrim on the go.

Except there are two problems with this. 1) Skyrim is NOT a game suitable for on the go play. It is a game you sit down, and play for long sessions, getting involved in every minute detail of you environment. So the people who think this is a good idea, will at best try it once, and then realize that it's not all that, and then drop it. 2) The idiots WANTING to buy a remaster of a game that already runs better on PC with EMD mods, are gonna get it on the most powerful machine that will make it look the prettiest, ergo, the Neo. With which, the Switch certainly cannot compete.

Secondly, the market right now is almost entirely owned by the PS4. Everyone has one of those, and even Microsoft is struggling to compete with Sony. How on EARTH is Nintendo gonna draw attention from that crowd? The biggest games out right now are Overwatch, Street Fighter V, and to a smaller degree FFXV (which we'll see on FF, as it might flop critically). If the Switch doesn't get any of those, it's not gonna do well. Especially it comes out in 5 months, and Overwatch will certainly still be relevant then. However, there's a catch here. Most gamers are already playing OW on PC, and wouldn't ever bother to play it on console. Meanwhile, most casuals and normies are playing it where most of their friends are playing it, as OW, to them, is a social experience. In other words, they're playing it on the PS4. So even IF OW came to Switch, I doubt it would help much, as most people will already have it on PS4, and if they upgrade to Neo, they can play the same version of the game there, and they won't really bother to shell out $300/$400 one a Nintendo console, with not many other games to play, and no friends to play it with. So here comes our loop. The PS4 ALREADY has a strong install base, and casual gamers will get the games their friends are playing on the consoles their friends have, in order to play with them.

So, Nintendo won't be able to compete with most core gamers again, at least no directly.

So, casual nongamers. The crowd the Wii drew in. Well, LOOK at the Switch, look at how clunky and bulky that thing is. Unless it comes with enough special features to compete with most smartphones on the market, it won't do well. In addition, designwise, it's nowhere near as sleek as most smarphones today. Setting up a tablet on a table, and pulling out two mini controllers is "too much" for your average person. Not to mention, most high end smarthphones ALREADY out already outperform it, and we have much more coming out soon. South Korea is already developing 11k resolution... for MOBILES.

Furthermore, we have the battery life, and this will be the biggest drawback here, as well as what determines the overall cost of this thing. If it's a powerful Tegra X2, or a variant of it, don't expect much in terms of battery life, UNLESS it comes with expensive batteries, which I doubt, as it would drive the price up well over the $700 price range. Meaning, with your average battery, you're looking at 2-3h of gaming time, AT BEST. Since that's what most mobiles can handle with much smaller and less intense games. No doubt, the design of the device, as well as the battery, will be the deciding factor for most casuals. Most would just rather play Candy Crush on their $700 phones, they don't care for ACTUAL gaming. And most gamers are Savvy enough to know that your average Android capable phone is able to emulate everything from the PS2, back. So they sure as hell wouldn't bother on a new Nintendo device that has a questionable future in terms of library (unless it got hacked, but that's a different story).

Which brings me to my next point. The games:

So, in the trailer, the 1st party titles we saw were:
Another Mario platformer
ANOTHER Mario Kart
What's presumably a port of Splatoon, or at best an exclusive sequel
A port of a WiiU Zelda title

And that's really it. People are hyped for Pokemon on console, and Monster Hunter on console. But for one, the latter already exists on WiiU, and it didn't make a difference for it. And second this is a very similar situation to the WiiU. This is NOT how you launch a console mid generation. No one is gonna pay any mind to the Switch if it's got NO exclusive killer apps right off the bat. And I don't mean just one or two, but EVERYTHING. Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash, DK, FZero, Kirby, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, new IP. IT ALL needs to come out within the first year to have any relevance among gamers. Without that, no one is gonna buy it, which means most 3rd party devs will bail on it after they keep their one game promise, and it'll fade into obscurity. And Nintendo can't continue to churn out casualized forms of their mature IP. On the contrary, it needs to let gamers know that it has games for them too, as well as get its slice of all the multiplat games that everyone loves, and after that.... You have a Gamecube situation at best. With Nintendo running 3rd leg and getting the worst version of the games everyone else is playing on the Playstation. But hey, it's better than a total flop I guess.

So at the end of it all, when you look at the market, and the industry, you really have to ask yourself, now that the Switch has been revealed. WHO? exactly is this machine meant to appeal to? It refuses to compete directly with Sony, it dropped mid gen and doesn't have a very strong launch considering the leaks, and it's too clumsy for the nongamers who already have smartphones. It also won't do VR.

I'll personally be very surprised to see this console be a sweeping success. My pessimism isn't pessimism, it's me saying what I said when Iwata namedropped this thing two years ago. Killing the WiiU early and releasing a console mid-gen when the PS4 ALREADY has a very large established userbase is a very stupid move. Not to mention Sony already one upped Nintendo by releasing the Neo, just before Christmas too.

I honestly DO think Nintendo should just become a 3rd party software developer at this point, rather than continuing to build underpowered consoles. Because they only thing that matters about them at this point is their games, and even those are suffering in their attempts to appeal to a broader audience."

Going through this point for point would take way too long. Overall, it's a pretty crappy review.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
October 21 2016 06:02 GMT
#108
Agree seems like a crappy review to me aswell.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 07:08:50
October 21 2016 06:26 GMT
#109
Also the "port of a WiiU zelda title" is debatable.
The new Zelda will be available for both, just like Twilight Princess launched for both Wii and GC.
I don't think anyone would say TP on Wii is just a port of a GC Zelda title...

As for who it appeals to that's a pretty silly question. Anyone who wants to play the new Pokemon (Gen 8)/Fire Emblem/Zelda/Mario/Mario Kart/Super Smash/Xenoblade/.... will have to buy this, and there are plenty of people like this lol.

This is essentially the successor of both the 2DS/3DS and the Wii U, so add up their sales and see how much you get.

(Hint: a lot more than PS4)

LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
October 21 2016 07:38 GMT
#110
On October 21 2016 12:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WTF....

https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/789289178684981248


This can't be right, no more info on the Switch until next year ? Wtf Nintendo, you're supposed to build the hype, not just let it die until right before release... I really hope they're trolling us and that we'll got some more info soon !
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 08:05:15
October 21 2016 08:04 GMT
#111
On October 21 2016 16:38 LoneYoShi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 12:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
WTF....

https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/789289178684981248


This can't be right, no more info on the Switch until next year ? Wtf Nintendo, you're supposed to build the hype, not just let it die until right before release... I really hope they're trolling us and that we'll got some more info soon !


It launches in March. I don't mind waiting until January/February to get more info, won't have an impact on my hype lol. I have Sun/Moon to keep me busy until then.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12715 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 09:13:19
October 21 2016 09:01 GMT
#112
I am really not hyped about this.
I am not that into nintendo ecosystem because their consoles are almost filled with nothing but first parties.
they always had third party support on launch and quickly get isolated again.

the trailer looks great, but the graphics really looks washed out and even clearly low frame rate.
it might be awesome for handheld but for console? that's a big no no for me anyway
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 10:36:03
October 21 2016 10:31 GMT
#113
It seems pretty obvious to me to wait till next year, we are only 2 months away of end year and the console releases in 6 months more or less, holidays are coming and the NS isnt part of it, the 3ds is and (to some extend) the WiiU too

Theyll probably do a direct or something in January and another stuff in February leading to the release, this was just a dmall showing. Theyll probably focus on the 3DS for the rest of the year to sell the most out of it untill the (probably althou im not sure) dead of the console in March when the NS releases.

Analizing frame rate over a YouTube video, not to mention, is not even the direct feed... smh smh

Not to mention, Nintendo is the most "60fps" out of all the console developers
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 10:41:24
October 21 2016 10:41 GMT
#114
On October 21 2016 11:38 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 10:44 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Interesting design, are the specs any better than Wii-U?

at best it'll be about the same. depending one which tegra chip we get

How so "at best" ? is pretty obvious that is Pascal, but even if it uses Tegra X1, that one is already more powerful than the WiiU/PS3/XB360.

Itll probably use the Tegra X2 with Pascal for higher efficiency, and probably even downclocked to lower the power usage even more, but itll probably be around the ballpark of the XB1/PS4, pretty sure.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
October 21 2016 11:40 GMT
#115
On October 21 2016 15:26 Laurens wrote:
Also the "port of a WiiU zelda title" is debatable.
The new Zelda will be available for both, just like Twilight Princess launched for both Wii and GC.
I don't think anyone would say TP on Wii is just a port of a GC Zelda title...

Honestly, it isn't an unfair claim to make. Knowing Nintendo, they'll try to make the versions as close as possible. Will it be prettier on the Switch? Yeah, but not by much. TP on the Wii was just a mirrored(cause righties can't handle left centric motion controls) GC version with minor extra bells and whistles.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 11:47:45
October 21 2016 11:45 GMT
#116
On October 21 2016 18:01 ETisME wrote:
I am really not hyped about this.
I am not that into nintendo ecosystem because their consoles are almost filled with nothing but first parties.
they always had third party support on launch and quickly get isolated again.

the trailer looks great, but the graphics really looks washed out and even clearly low frame rate.
it might be awesome for handheld but for console? that's a big no no for me anyway

It's really delusional to think the actual games are running on the console in the trailer. It's a hype montage, nothing more. At best, the Switch has basic 1080p playback capabilities and they're playing gameplay videos.
Now as to why they would show laggy videos, I don't really know, but I would refrain from making performance assumptions from a hype trailer. It gives an idea about the concept (which is an awesome one), but the specs will have to hold up.

With that being said, simply being able to play the next Monster Hunter on a big screen would make it a 100% buy for me :D.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 21 2016 12:22 GMT
#117
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-21 12:45:29
October 21 2016 12:23 GMT
#118
On October 21 2016 20:45 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 18:01 ETisME wrote:
I am really not hyped about this.
I am not that into nintendo ecosystem because their consoles are almost filled with nothing but first parties.
they always had third party support on launch and quickly get isolated again.

the trailer looks great, but the graphics really looks washed out and even clearly low frame rate.
it might be awesome for handheld but for console? that's a big no no for me anyway

It's really delusional to think the actual games are running on the console in the trailer. It's a hype montage, nothing more. At best, the Switch has basic 1080p playback capabilities and they're playing gameplay videos.
Now as to why they would show laggy videos, I don't really know, but I would refrain from making performance assumptions from a hype trailer. It gives an idea about the concept (which is an awesome one), but the specs will have to hold up.

With that being said, simply being able to play the next Monster Hunter on a big screen would make it a 100% buy for me :D.

Seriously. It's like when I see commercials for TV's that are supposed to have 51243423 colors, amazing resolution, and stupid high frame rates yet is played on an old 1080tv. You aren't going to see what's there. The highest quality offering the switch video has on youtube is 24fps anyway. Until we see benchmarks, first hand accounts, or high quality versions of the trailer, trying to assume power based on it is silly.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
October 21 2016 12:31 GMT
#119
On October 21 2016 21:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/789423791063470080

that was kinda a given considering the "console" itself is the screen right there, and the dock is for charging (and maybe a different output based on some heat dissipation) and Tv.

You dont have a second screen with the Switch AFAIK
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 21 2016 14:06 GMT
#120
On October 21 2016 12:41 Jaedrik wrote:
Thought I'd share this analysis with y'all.

https://smashboards.com/threads/nintenzone-social-4-congratulations-your-nx-evolved-into-the-nintendo-switch-hype.437072/page-1036#post-21504710

"Actually, it's fairly easy to make a reasonable and logical analysis of how the Switch will perform given the information we've been shown, combined with a simply look at the current trends in the market/industry.

I honestly doubt it's gonna do well with how the PS4 is performing. For starters, if it's Tegra (which it most likely is, considering Nvidya already confirmed it's their chipset), at best it'll be 85% as powerful as the PS4 WHEN DOCKED, and it won't even come close to the Neo and the Scorpio, whom both Sony and Microsoft felt were NECESSARY upgrades, due to demand from devs (as well as the advent of VR). So on that front the Switch is already underwhelming. It showed off Skyrim (seemingly remaster), and people are hyping this up like it matters because they believe that normies wanna play Skyrim on the go.

Except there are two problems with this. 1) Skyrim is NOT a game suitable for on the go play. It is a game you sit down, and play for long sessions, getting involved in every minute detail of you environment. So the people who think this is a good idea, will at best try it once, and then realize that it's not all that, and then drop it. 2) The idiots WANTING to buy a remaster of a game that already runs better on PC with EMD mods, are gonna get it on the most powerful machine that will make it look the prettiest, ergo, the Neo. With which, the Switch certainly cannot compete.

Secondly, the market right now is almost entirely owned by the PS4. Everyone has one of those, and even Microsoft is struggling to compete with Sony. How on EARTH is Nintendo gonna draw attention from that crowd? The biggest games out right now are Overwatch, Street Fighter V, and to a smaller degree FFXV (which we'll see on FF, as it might flop critically). If the Switch doesn't get any of those, it's not gonna do well. Especially it comes out in 5 months, and Overwatch will certainly still be relevant then. However, there's a catch here. Most gamers are already playing OW on PC, and wouldn't ever bother to play it on console. Meanwhile, most casuals and normies are playing it where most of their friends are playing it, as OW, to them, is a social experience. In other words, they're playing it on the PS4. So even IF OW came to Switch, I doubt it would help much, as most people will already have it on PS4, and if they upgrade to Neo, they can play the same version of the game there, and they won't really bother to shell out $300/$400 one a Nintendo console, with not many other games to play, and no friends to play it with. So here comes our loop. The PS4 ALREADY has a strong install base, and casual gamers will get the games their friends are playing on the consoles their friends have, in order to play with them.

So, Nintendo won't be able to compete with most core gamers again, at least no directly.

So, casual nongamers. The crowd the Wii drew in. Well, LOOK at the Switch, look at how clunky and bulky that thing is. Unless it comes with enough special features to compete with most smartphones on the market, it won't do well. In addition, designwise, it's nowhere near as sleek as most smarphones today. Setting up a tablet on a table, and pulling out two mini controllers is "too much" for your average person. Not to mention, most high end smarthphones ALREADY out already outperform it, and we have much more coming out soon. South Korea is already developing 11k resolution... for MOBILES.

Furthermore, we have the battery life, and this will be the biggest drawback here, as well as what determines the overall cost of this thing. If it's a powerful Tegra X2, or a variant of it, don't expect much in terms of battery life, UNLESS it comes with expensive batteries, which I doubt, as it would drive the price up well over the $700 price range. Meaning, with your average battery, you're looking at 2-3h of gaming time, AT BEST. Since that's what most mobiles can handle with much smaller and less intense games. No doubt, the design of the device, as well as the battery, will be the deciding factor for most casuals. Most would just rather play Candy Crush on their $700 phones, they don't care for ACTUAL gaming. And most gamers are Savvy enough to know that your average Android capable phone is able to emulate everything from the PS2, back. So they sure as hell wouldn't bother on a new Nintendo device that has a questionable future in terms of library (unless it got hacked, but that's a different story).

Which brings me to my next point. The games:

So, in the trailer, the 1st party titles we saw were:
Another Mario platformer
ANOTHER Mario Kart
What's presumably a port of Splatoon, or at best an exclusive sequel
A port of a WiiU Zelda title

And that's really it. People are hyped for Pokemon on console, and Monster Hunter on console. But for one, the latter already exists on WiiU, and it didn't make a difference for it. And second this is a very similar situation to the WiiU. This is NOT how you launch a console mid generation. No one is gonna pay any mind to the Switch if it's got NO exclusive killer apps right off the bat. And I don't mean just one or two, but EVERYTHING. Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash, DK, FZero, Kirby, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, new IP. IT ALL needs to come out within the first year to have any relevance among gamers. Without that, no one is gonna buy it, which means most 3rd party devs will bail on it after they keep their one game promise, and it'll fade into obscurity. And Nintendo can't continue to churn out casualized forms of their mature IP. On the contrary, it needs to let gamers know that it has games for them too, as well as get its slice of all the multiplat games that everyone loves, and after that.... You have a Gamecube situation at best. With Nintendo running 3rd leg and getting the worst version of the games everyone else is playing on the Playstation. But hey, it's better than a total flop I guess.

So at the end of it all, when you look at the market, and the industry, you really have to ask yourself, now that the Switch has been revealed. WHO? exactly is this machine meant to appeal to? It refuses to compete directly with Sony, it dropped mid gen and doesn't have a very strong launch considering the leaks, and it's too clumsy for the nongamers who already have smartphones. It also won't do VR.

I'll personally be very surprised to see this console be a sweeping success. My pessimism isn't pessimism, it's me saying what I said when Iwata namedropped this thing two years ago. Killing the WiiU early and releasing a console mid-gen when the PS4 ALREADY has a very large established userbase is a very stupid move. Not to mention Sony already one upped Nintendo by releasing the Neo, just before Christmas too.

I honestly DO think Nintendo should just become a 3rd party software developer at this point, rather than continuing to build underpowered consoles. Because they only thing that matters about them at this point is their games, and even those are suffering in their attempts to appeal to a broader audience."

this guy completely missed the point. the switch isn't a competitor to sony and microsoft consoles anymore.
it's a successor to the 3ds line
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