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On August 19 2016 01:37 Plansix wrote:
Video game fans need to stop throwing around fraud. Fraud required clear intent to deceive. There need to question that they planned to lie.
the only one using the word "fraud" in the last 2 pages is me. Mattel Electronics committed fraud. in the 70s and 80s Mattel had a culture of fraud. Shortly before this keyboard stupidity Ruth Handler plead no contest and accepted probation to avoid jail time.
FTC versus Mattel
+ Show Spoiler +the FTC leaned on Mattel hard. the keyboard component fiasco created a financial blood bath and Mattel shut down Mattel Electronics shortly after settling with FTC and Compro for fraud, breach of contract and non payment.
Basically, Mattel Electronics showed consumers a video game and said "it'll be part of a computer". The only interface into the Intellivision1 is a cartridge slot that offers no way to access the systems ROM, RAM, or CPU. It is not part of a computer. The keyboard may physically sit beside the Intellivision1 but it is not part of it.
None of this will happen with Hello Games though. We're talking $60 here not $1,100. Hello Games will take a hit to their brand and reputation.
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On August 19 2016 02:57 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 02:51 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 02:34 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 02:33 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 02:11 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 02:08 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 02:04 Plansix wrote:
Once again, over promising is deceptive business practices. Intent is "I'm going to lie about this game and just not include these features." In the case of Hello Games it is that they had big plans, but then either couldn't do it or ran out of money and were faced with the option of closing down or releasing the game and fixing stuff after.
And you can just ask for a refund and can likely get it. Might need to do a little legwork, but it can happen. People have a remedy.
Its fine to be upset, but people need to be reasonable about what they expect to happen. No one is going to put Hello Games out of business just because they did a bunch of shitty PR. Deceptive business practices of that scale is not a small offense IMO. Especially not when it's becoming clear that being deceptive is a good way to make money. The fact that people can get refunds but don't is no excuse. And "people need to be reasonable" is ridiculous. People are not reasonable, people preorder, dislike the game and forget about it. Normalizing shady business practices is not exactly much of a solution. I can protect myself from it to an extent, doesn't mean it's fine. What do you expect to happen? Nothing. What would you like to happen? A successful class action against Hello games, setting a precedent of heavy penalties against deceitful business practices by game devs. if mcdonalds can't be sued for deceitful business than I highly doubt Hello Games can
I was asked the question "What would you like to happen?". I answered the question.
On August 19 2016 02:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 02:51 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 02:34 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 02:33 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 02:11 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 02:08 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 02:04 Plansix wrote:
Once again, over promising is deceptive business practices. Intent is "I'm going to lie about this game and just not include these features." In the case of Hello Games it is that they had big plans, but then either couldn't do it or ran out of money and were faced with the option of closing down or releasing the game and fixing stuff after.
And you can just ask for a refund and can likely get it. Might need to do a little legwork, but it can happen. People have a remedy.
Its fine to be upset, but people need to be reasonable about what they expect to happen. No one is going to put Hello Games out of business just because they did a bunch of shitty PR. Deceptive business practices of that scale is not a small offense IMO. Especially not when it's becoming clear that being deceptive is a good way to make money. The fact that people can get refunds but don't is no excuse. And "people need to be reasonable" is ridiculous. People are not reasonable, people preorder, dislike the game and forget about it. Normalizing shady business practices is not exactly much of a solution. I can protect myself from it to an extent, doesn't mean it's fine. What do you expect to happen? Nothing. What would you like to happen? A successful class action against Hello games, setting a precedent of heavy penalties against deceitful business practices by game devs. As someone who’s in the legal field and deal with consumer protection and dealt with class action lawsuits, I’m not confident it would be successful. Especially since buyers can just ask for your money back. But it there is a good chance it would put Hello Games out of business. I’m not sure that would have the effect you want, however. It would likely lead to smaller developers just giving bland run downs of features and adding protective language like “Any of these features could be removed in the final product.”
As someone who's not in the legal field, that just kind of makes me more skeptical about the legal field to be fair and just. I don't think that small developers could afford to give bland rundowns of features though, I think they would have to be consciously reasonable, and if they have to include small disclaimers then good. It's like rotten lungs on cigarette packs, people will still buy it but it'll give them a second thought. Make devs think twice about lying, people will still buy their games anyway. And I recognize that it's hard for a legal system to have the exact intended effect with its jurisprudence but if it's incapable of nudging an industry in the right direction, it sucks ass.
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The civil aspect of the legal system designed to provide relief to those who have been substantively harmed by the actions of another individual or business. This means that people would need to prove they were harmed by Hello Games to a degree that the court should order relief. And the first question the court is going to care about is if people could get their money back. And since the answer is yes, it is sort of a non-starter. The emotional trauma of being disappointed by a video game isn’t really a problem courts are going to be interested in solving.
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On August 19 2016 03:20 Plansix wrote:
The civil aspect of the legal system designed to provide relief to those who have been substantively harmed by the actions of another individual or business. This means that people would need to prove they were harmed by Hello Games to a degree that the court should order relief. And the first question the court is going to care about is if people could get their money back. And since the answer is yes, it is sort of a non-starter. The emotional trauma of being disappointed by a video game isn’t really a problem courts are going to be interested in solving.
I understand that, and the courts probably wouldn't hear my concern about how people don't use the refund policy which is in some cases not known about or hard to navigate. It doesn't change the fact that it's deceitful. I understand that the courts may not be equipped to deal with that and I understand that that's the current state of affairs. I think it's shit.
Being deceitful is straight up an effective way to get rich. And the courts can't deal with it. People get fucked, yay.
The courts ought to be able to promote good business. If nothing gets done against deceitful business practices that are effective, then IMO the courts are failing and they need to be better equipped to do their job. Now if you continue to insist that it's impossible, fine. It's unfortunate and sad and it's a fucking plague for this industry.
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The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system.
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we could argue Blizzard deceived its D3 customers when PvP was removed. We could argue Blizzard deceived its SC2 customers when they promised map makers a way to get paid via the Arcade having cash purchases.
human communications are subtle and complex.
For me, the spirit of Blizzard's communications with its customers feels 100% authentic. In contrast, Sean Murray and No Man's Sky are frauds.
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On August 19 2016 03:59 Plansix wrote:
The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system.
So you're just agreeing that large scale deception even by design is fine because you can get a refund that many people won't get because $60 is not worth the hassle. It's worth their attention IMO. Really unfortunate that people would be so complacent about products being shit though.
Blizzard and Sean Murray are two different ballparks of not delivering on promises. Sean Murray intentionally deceived. Refunds exist but are not used because people don't want to go through the hassle. If courts don't deal with this, courts suck. I don't care what you say Plansix, they suck.
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you are living in a dreamworld guy. Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy don't exist. I'm pretty happy with the Canadian legal system. Don't mistake the legal system for god.
i suppose a "class action" style lawsuit might be possible if Steam did not offer any form of refund. Its a giant waste of time though if you put in all this work to initiate a legal action and wind up getting nothing in return.
I wait 1 full year before buying anything not made by Blizzard.
Caveat Emptor.
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On August 19 2016 04:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
you are living in a dreamworld guy. Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy don't exist. I'm pretty happy with the Canadian legal system. Don't mistake the legal system for god.
i suppose a "class action" style lawsuit might be possible if Steam did not offer any form of refund. Its a giant waste of time though if you put in all this work to initiate a legal action and wind up getting nothing in return.
I wait 1 full year before buying anything not made by Blizzard.
Caveat Emptor.
I specifically repeatedly said I think it won't happen, there's no dream world. I think this is shady and it shouldn't be so common. I know it won't change, I'm saying it should. To me it's completely fucked up that deceiving customers is a valid way to make millions.
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On August 19 2016 04:08 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 03:59 Plansix wrote:
The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system. So you're just agreeing that large scale deception even by design is fine because you can get a refund that many people won't get because $60 is not worth the hassle. It's worth their attention IMO. Really unfortunate that people would be so complacent about products being shit though. Blizzard and Sean Murray are two different ballparks of not delivering on promises. Sean Murray intentionally deceived. Refunds exist but are not used because people don't want to go through the hassle. If courts don't deal with this, courts suck. I don't care what you say Plansix, they suck.
I never said I was agreeing with it. I said you have a remedy to recover from the harm.
The court isn’t the place to get justice for your hurt feelings. You can say that suck, but don’t expect the government to make they pay you money because they mislead you about a video game you already received a refund on.
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On August 19 2016 04:21 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 04:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
you are living in a dreamworld guy. Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy don't exist. I'm pretty happy with the Canadian legal system. Don't mistake the legal system for god.
i suppose a "class action" style lawsuit might be possible if Steam did not offer any form of refund. Its a giant waste of time though if you put in all this work to initiate a legal action and wind up getting nothing in return.
I wait 1 full year before buying anything not made by Blizzard.
Caveat Emptor.
I specifically repeatedly said I think it won't happen, there's no dream world. I think this is shady and it shouldn't be so common. I know it won't change, I'm saying it should. To me it's completely fucked up that deceiving customers is a valid way to make millions.
i prefer a world of 'innocent until proven guilty' where its really hard to prove someone guilty. this means very smart and careful fraudsters will proliferate the kind of society i want. i fully accept it as the price of the freedom i value ; these liars will always be part of any free country. i find these kinds of smart fraudsters entertaining.
keep on dancing sean murray.. i'm enjoying the show.
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For the record, "deceptive business practices" will get you fucked worse than fraud in pretty much every state.
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On August 19 2016 04:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 04:08 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 03:59 Plansix wrote:
The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system. So you're just agreeing that large scale deception even by design is fine because you can get a refund that many people won't get because $60 is not worth the hassle. It's worth their attention IMO. Really unfortunate that people would be so complacent about products being shit though. Blizzard and Sean Murray are two different ballparks of not delivering on promises. Sean Murray intentionally deceived. Refunds exist but are not used because people don't want to go through the hassle. If courts don't deal with this, courts suck. I don't care what you say Plansix, they suck. I never said I was agreeing with it. I said you have a remedy to recover from the harm. The court isn’t the place to get justice for your hurt feelings. You can say that suck, but don’t expect the government to make they pay you money because they mislead you about a video game you already received a refund on.
Hurt feelings -> generating millions of dollars with lies. Yeah. Feelings.
On August 19 2016 04:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 04:21 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 04:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
you are living in a dreamworld guy. Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy don't exist. I'm pretty happy with the Canadian legal system. Don't mistake the legal system for god.
i suppose a "class action" style lawsuit might be possible if Steam did not offer any form of refund. Its a giant waste of time though if you put in all this work to initiate a legal action and wind up getting nothing in return.
I wait 1 full year before buying anything not made by Blizzard.
Caveat Emptor.
I specifically repeatedly said I think it won't happen, there's no dream world. I think this is shady and it shouldn't be so common. I know it won't change, I'm saying it should. To me it's completely fucked up that deceiving customers is a valid way to make millions. i prefer a world of 'innocent until proven guilty' where its really hard to prove someone guilty. this means very smart and careful fraudsters will proliferate the kind of society i want. i fully accept it as the price of the freedom i value ; these liars will always be part of any free country. i find these kinds of smart fraudsters entertaining. keep on dancing sean murray.. i'm enjoying the show.
I think a court would find him guilty. I don't think I should be judge/jury/executioner but I think that what he did is egregious enough that he could be tried and found guilty and fined, without hindering any of your freedoms :p
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On August 19 2016 04:56 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 04:23 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 04:08 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 03:59 Plansix wrote:
The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system. So you're just agreeing that large scale deception even by design is fine because you can get a refund that many people won't get because $60 is not worth the hassle. It's worth their attention IMO. Really unfortunate that people would be so complacent about products being shit though. Blizzard and Sean Murray are two different ballparks of not delivering on promises. Sean Murray intentionally deceived. Refunds exist but are not used because people don't want to go through the hassle. If courts don't deal with this, courts suck. I don't care what you say Plansix, they suck. I never said I was agreeing with it. I said you have a remedy to recover from the harm. The court isn’t the place to get justice for your hurt feelings. You can say that suck, but don’t expect the government to make they pay you money because they mislead you about a video game you already received a refund on. Hurt feelings -> generating millions of dollars with lies. Yeah. Feelings.
That is just your opinion. There are people who enjoy the game, do not feel lied to and are happy. You feel you were lied to and believe the government should punish Hello Games getting your hopes up.
And to be clear, you did purchase the game, correct?
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On August 19 2016 05:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 04:56 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 04:23 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 04:08 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 03:59 Plansix wrote:
The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system. So you're just agreeing that large scale deception even by design is fine because you can get a refund that many people won't get because $60 is not worth the hassle. It's worth their attention IMO. Really unfortunate that people would be so complacent about products being shit though. Blizzard and Sean Murray are two different ballparks of not delivering on promises. Sean Murray intentionally deceived. Refunds exist but are not used because people don't want to go through the hassle. If courts don't deal with this, courts suck. I don't care what you say Plansix, they suck. I never said I was agreeing with it. I said you have a remedy to recover from the harm. The court isn’t the place to get justice for your hurt feelings. You can say that suck, but don’t expect the government to make they pay you money because they mislead you about a video game you already received a refund on. Hurt feelings -> generating millions of dollars with lies. Yeah. Feelings. That is just your opinion. There are people who enjoy the game, do not feel lied to and are happy. You feel you were lied to and believe the government should punish Hello Games getting your hopes up. And to be clear, you did purchase the game, correct?
Nope, I didn't purchase the game, I saw that coming from a mile away. I see it as detrimental to the gaming industry, and I think this type of thing makes developers more comfortable with developing poor games, spending a lot on marketing and making bank because people don't ask for refunds for various reasons.
I myself didn't get cheated but it affects me in other ways.
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On August 19 2016 04:33 xDaunt wrote:
For the record, "deceptive business practices" will get you fucked worse than fraud in pretty much every state.
cool "deceptive practices story".
+ Show Spoiler +i worked for a business that was shut down by the "deceptive business practices" label applied by Industry Canada. there was no deception going on.. it was just really borderline. repackaging canadian lottery tickets and sold to intra-company groups of 250. the company actually won Lotto 6/49 twice. that is, more than $5 million on 2 occasions and correctly distributed ~$20,000 CDN to the correct 250 people. the same guy went to pick up the $5,000,000 cheque both times. After that ... Industry Canada went full ham because they didn't want 1 guy winning the grand prize multiple times. at the height of this company's power the ALC sold 25% of all its lottery tickets to this company. i'm not going to name any names however if you do some googling and digging its hilarious stuff. Guess whose database software built the groups of 250? 
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On August 19 2016 05:14 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 05:08 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 04:56 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 04:23 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 04:08 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 03:59 Plansix wrote:
The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system. So you're just agreeing that large scale deception even by design is fine because you can get a refund that many people won't get because $60 is not worth the hassle. It's worth their attention IMO. Really unfortunate that people would be so complacent about products being shit though. Blizzard and Sean Murray are two different ballparks of not delivering on promises. Sean Murray intentionally deceived. Refunds exist but are not used because people don't want to go through the hassle. If courts don't deal with this, courts suck. I don't care what you say Plansix, they suck. I never said I was agreeing with it. I said you have a remedy to recover from the harm. The court isn’t the place to get justice for your hurt feelings. You can say that suck, but don’t expect the government to make they pay you money because they mislead you about a video game you already received a refund on. Hurt feelings -> generating millions of dollars with lies. Yeah. Feelings. That is just your opinion. There are people who enjoy the game, do not feel lied to and are happy. You feel you were lied to and believe the government should punish Hello Games getting your hopes up. And to be clear, you did purchase the game, correct? Nope, I didn't purchase the game, I saw that coming from a mile away. I see it as detrimental to the gaming industry, and I think this type of thing makes developers more comfortable with developing poor games, spending a lot on marketing and making bank because people don't ask for refunds for various reasons. I myself didn't get cheated but it affects me in other ways.
From my personal experience discussing No Mans Sky on the internet, the people who are most upset at Hello Games did not buy the game. I rarely hear anyone who purchased it deeply upset and wishing the company would be brought to court and put out of business for “lying to people”. It is only people getting mad on behalf of others and demanding someone punish these greedy developers who’s games they did not buy and that they could totally get a refund for it they did.
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On August 19 2016 05:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 05:14 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 05:08 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 04:56 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 04:23 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 04:08 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 03:59 Plansix wrote:
The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system. So you're just agreeing that large scale deception even by design is fine because you can get a refund that many people won't get because $60 is not worth the hassle. It's worth their attention IMO. Really unfortunate that people would be so complacent about products being shit though. Blizzard and Sean Murray are two different ballparks of not delivering on promises. Sean Murray intentionally deceived. Refunds exist but are not used because people don't want to go through the hassle. If courts don't deal with this, courts suck. I don't care what you say Plansix, they suck. I never said I was agreeing with it. I said you have a remedy to recover from the harm. The court isn’t the place to get justice for your hurt feelings. You can say that suck, but don’t expect the government to make they pay you money because they mislead you about a video game you already received a refund on. Hurt feelings -> generating millions of dollars with lies. Yeah. Feelings. That is just your opinion. There are people who enjoy the game, do not feel lied to and are happy. You feel you were lied to and believe the government should punish Hello Games getting your hopes up. And to be clear, you did purchase the game, correct? Nope, I didn't purchase the game, I saw that coming from a mile away. I see it as detrimental to the gaming industry, and I think this type of thing makes developers more comfortable with developing poor games, spending a lot on marketing and making bank because people don't ask for refunds for various reasons. I myself didn't get cheated but it affects me in other ways. From my personal experience discussing No Mans Sky on the internet, the people who are most upset at Hello Games did not buy the game. I rarely hear anyone who purchased it deeply upset and wishing the company would be brought to court and put out of business for “lying to people”. It is only people getting mad on behalf of others and demanding someone punish these greedy developers who’s games they did not buy and that they could totally get a refund for it they did.
So what are you saying, most people on the internet are bandwagoning against stuff? No doubt a lot of people go into this with the same mindset as the Playstation vs. Xbox "debates" and it's childish but it's not my case. Like I said, I think it's detrimental to the industry, and it has nothing to do with my $60 (which I didn't spend) or the $60 of any one other given person. I'm adopting more or less the same position as people like Totalbiscuit who sees this as a bad thing for the gaming industry and thinks Sean Murray could've done a better job of describing the game to his customers, and Richard Lewis who says it's bad for the gaming industry but full out calls Sean Murray for the liar that I believe that he is.
I'm not pulling this out of my ass, I'm not some lone crusader with whacky ideas about the game, and I take no pleasure in criticizing a game like I have a stake in that specific game's failure. I wish this type of behavior was not acceptable. I hate the fact that people preorder games (I don't, really), and are willing to accept unfinished products, or products which lack features. The only stake that I have is that I fundamentally believe that this game, which I don't own, continues the trend of shitty videogames being released, broken promises and deceit being commonplace. At the end of the day I think that the fact that people are willing to throw out their money on garbage makes the industry produce more garbage, and fewer good games that I'm willing to buy.
I'm not mad on the behalf of others, this fucks me. And the reason why people who have bought the game are "not complaining" (they are) is because many of them just can't be asked. They saw the game, played it a bit, it sucked and they turned it off. Others love it, great - doesn't change the fact that it's not what they were sold. Happy for them but that's not the point.
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On August 19 2016 05:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2016 05:14 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 05:08 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 04:56 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 04:23 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2016 04:08 Djzapz wrote:On August 19 2016 03:59 Plansix wrote:
The courts are equipped to deal with it. You are just pushing to bring a claim that does not warrant their attention because you have a remedy outside the court system. So you're just agreeing that large scale deception even by design is fine because you can get a refund that many people won't get because $60 is not worth the hassle. It's worth their attention IMO. Really unfortunate that people would be so complacent about products being shit though. Blizzard and Sean Murray are two different ballparks of not delivering on promises. Sean Murray intentionally deceived. Refunds exist but are not used because people don't want to go through the hassle. If courts don't deal with this, courts suck. I don't care what you say Plansix, they suck. I never said I was agreeing with it. I said you have a remedy to recover from the harm. The court isn’t the place to get justice for your hurt feelings. You can say that suck, but don’t expect the government to make they pay you money because they mislead you about a video game you already received a refund on. Hurt feelings -> generating millions of dollars with lies. Yeah. Feelings. That is just your opinion. There are people who enjoy the game, do not feel lied to and are happy. You feel you were lied to and believe the government should punish Hello Games getting your hopes up. And to be clear, you did purchase the game, correct? Nope, I didn't purchase the game, I saw that coming from a mile away. I see it as detrimental to the gaming industry, and I think this type of thing makes developers more comfortable with developing poor games, spending a lot on marketing and making bank because people don't ask for refunds for various reasons. I myself didn't get cheated but it affects me in other ways. From my personal experience discussing No Mans Sky on the internet, the people who are most upset at Hello Games did not buy the game. I rarely hear anyone who purchased it deeply upset and wishing the company would be brought to court and put out of business for “lying to people”. It is only people getting mad on behalf of others and demanding someone punish these greedy developers who’s games they did not buy and that they could totally get a refund for it they did.
As handwavy as this sounds, and while not excusing Hello Games in any way, what you're saying is also what I'm seeing (just roaming around NMS' subreddit, and watching my brother play). The people playing the game genuinely seem to enjoy it, acknowledge that the game has flaws, and that maybe it could have been cheaper. But nothing as strong as wanting to get refunds, let alone suing the devs (:D).
I do think the people who didn't buy the game (like Djzapz and myself) have the right to voice concerns about this type of business practices in the video game industry. The fact is, I wanted to buy and play the game they said they would develop. I became wary after a few too many vague interviews showing the same gameplay footage (on different planets for good measure), so I'm not a disappointed buyer, fine. But this is not the first time a game doesn't hold up to its prerelease image, nor will it be the last. I actually spent quite a lot crowdfunding Star Citizen, which as we already discussed is headed for 10 times the fiasco NMS is :D.
It does seem like good practices are being forgotten in the video game industry. Remember when devs released free demos of their games? Now they make us pre-order an unknown quantity for extra unknown perks (some pre-order bonuses are literally listed as "announced later" these days...). I know the solution is to wait for release, but meanwhile, enough customers are just throwing money at video game companies so that they feel justified making empty promises and cashing in on the hype.
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Ive bought it. Im enjoying it. The friends on my steam list who have also bought it, have 5 hours or more, and thus seem to enjoy it too.
I dunno, to me it seems as some people had high expectations, bought and tried the game, and are dissapointed in the game, which is completely fine.
The amusing part are what seems to be the friends / audience of the dissapointed people are far more likely to go on a hateful rant against it and its developers than those who played it.
Its like some weird form of third person perspective bandwagon outrage.
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