Are you talking about the casters that spawn inside Sakura's walled area? You can control a bit how much you can take on at a time by not destroying walls with the DVs. You can also block reinforcements by sitting on the forts they spawn from.

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

August 02 2016 15:41 GMT

#1323

Chapter 17 is kinda annoying, don't really have a good answer to Shuriken/Mechanist spam apart from Xander 1shotting them and Shera/Niles hitting them a bit, guess I should have leveld one of my Axe users.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 02 2016 15:42 GMT

#1324

On August 03 2016 00:41 Kipsate wrote:
Chapter 17 is kinda annoying, don't really have a good answer to Shuriken/Mechanist spam apart from Xander 1shotting them and Shera/Niles hitting them a bit, guess I should have leveld one of my Axe users.

Camilla usually does fine on that chapter. That's usually around when i swap her over to Wyvern Lord to start training her lance rank, and the stat bump means that as long as she stays away from the bow mechs, she crushes everything else.

If you need another axe user, Shura has Berserker in his reclass pool and actually does decently in it. That chapter is actually pretty ok for training his Axe rank.

deth2munkies

United States4051 Posts

August 02 2016 15:51 GMT

#1325

On August 03 2016 00:13 TheYango wrote:
Is this still the file where you let Camilla die on C10?

Yarp.

On August 03 2016 00:32 chocorush wrote:
Are you talking about the casters that spawn inside Sakura's walled area? You can control a bit how much you can take on at a time by not destroying walls with the DVs. You can also block reinforcements by sitting on the forts they spawn from.

Naw, these are the ones that spawn in the top right of the map, a place you can't realistically get to before they trigger. These trigger once you get to the top left Mechanist in the shuriken ballista thing.

The thing is that I can kill him if I hit with both Effie and Corrin using the Yato twice, but Corrin has a shit % chance to hit and will be KO'd back on the enemy turn if she misses. She can survive using a dragonstone attack, but then he won't die in time and the casters will get there and mop up.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 02 2016 15:55 GMT

#1326

Do you have Leo? Dark Mage -20% Avoid aura is really useful for bringing up shaky hitrates.

EDIT: Also choco, I know that it's been a while since we had this discussion, but I'm now firmly of the belief that Wyvern is the best reclass option to give the avatar.

For the Avatar themselves, Cav and Wyvern are pretty comparable, but the dealbreaker is how useful Wyvern is as a marriage class--especially on Jakob and Felicia. Malig Knight gives Felicia a magical combat class with actually reasonable bulk, while Wyvern Lord Jakob is actually a completely different level of absurd, even compared to Paladin.

As strange as it seems, I actually think I wasn't selling reclassed Jakob hard enough before. One of the most abusable things about the first servant is their ability to get --/15 skills insanely early in the game (since they hit level 15 around Ch. 11-12)--it's just not super apparent from Paladin, since Aegis is pretty ignorable as a skill. Getting Trample that early on Jakob is just completely stupid. The power boost of having a second Wyvern with such incredibly high damage that early is like having a 2nd Camilla, and there's similar results for other reclass options like Replicate/Shurikenfaire Jakob from Ninja avatar. With the additional reclass, Paladin Jakob isn't even like a Jeigan that falls off past the midgame--his advantage in skills means he stays one of your best units for almost the entire game, even when someone like Silas catches up to his raw stats.

The most recent draft rules for Conquest actually ban Wyvern reclass for the avatar because of how dominant it is (in addition to stipulating that Camilla, if drafted, cannot be deployed in chapters 11-14).

deth2munkies

United States4051 Posts

August 02 2016 15:59 GMT

#1327

On August 03 2016 00:55 TheYango wrote:
Do you have Leo? Dark Mage -20% Avoid aura is really useful for bringing up shaky hitrates.

Leo's on the right side, and unfortunately I don't have any way on that side to break through the second ballista fort since I have Niles, Leo, and the fliers. Plus Leo is super underleveled.

Cricketer12

United States13996 Posts

August 02 2016 16:37 GMT

#1328

Usually I just tank chokes with effie and let people snipe from behind. I go right and activate the dv at the start

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 02 2016 16:50 GMT

#1329

Normally I go up and right and flip DVs several turns in a row to slow Saizo down and control enemy movement.

Having multiple locktouch users was probably the biggest thing that helped me progress the map fast enough to keep Saizo alive. The one playthrough where I both killed Shura AND didn't raise Kaze was the most painful.

chocorush

694 Posts

August 02 2016 16:53 GMT

#1330

I also like the bolt axe over the levin sword, and mounted weakness seems like more of a liability in general than flying weakness. Being able to use the hammer is a nice too.

The thing I'm always the most disappointed about is falcons not having sword access. Siegfried with flight would have been epic.

I personally like Wyvern more, but spreading Paladin just for shelter is really fun, which is why you spread Wyvern to the natural Paladins.

Edit: My go to strategy for chapter 17 is just stick Niles with enough buffs to just murder all of the ninjas on the right side in one enemy phase and rush from there.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 02 2016 16:56 GMT

#1331

I put Jakob through Paladin first before going Malig and ending in Wyvern (which gives the hilarious +11 damage setup of Elbow Room, Defender, Str+2, Trample). The partner seals are actually pretty lenient on reclassing shenanigans since so few units are in a position to compete for them at all. I usually pass Shelter to Dwyer.

I wish that the avatar's kids got her secondary and not the Nohr Prince line, cuz Malig Knight Dwyer actually seems like it'd be good, since he can get a Tome rank from Strat and has appropriate mixed offensive stats.

Cricketer12

United States13996 Posts

August 02 2016 17:05 GMT

#1332

Has anyone gotten/experimented with bond units?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 02 2016 17:10 GMT

#1333

I've gotten some but I've only used them as fodder for My Castle lol. I've never trained one beyond level 1.

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

August 02 2016 19:07 GMT

#1334

Should I be pairing and farming support conversations on some of the easier levels? Do you really need the exp from Children missions?

some of the pairs seem hard to get for me cause I dumped male people (Owain, Arthur).

Using Laslow right now cause the rallybot is real, who should I pair him with?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 02 2016 19:12 GMT

#1335

You don't really need any of the paralogue XP though they obviously make the game easier. I generally don't go out of my way to grind support conversations, though there are a couple that I do try to get (e.g. maxing out support point for Arthur/Effie up to Ch. 10 so I can get Percy even though I won't use either in the long run). Same deal with Odin--won't use him long run but deploy him as a +Mag pairup for someone just to squeeze out an S support sometime late in the game.

On August 03 2016 04:07 Kipsate wrote:
Using Laslow right now cause the rallybot is real, who should I pair him with?

Laslow isn't practical as a rallybot maingame mostly cuz despite having a good personal, his access to rallies is pretty bad without some really unrealistic reclassing (the only rally he gets in his default class set is Skill, which is one of the worst rallies). Best spouse for him is probably Peri since they have a fast support, after that it's just random people who want +Spd/Mov Bow Knight pairup (Keaton, Xander, Beruka, etc.).

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

August 02 2016 19:20 GMT

#1336

also if I get my children won't they be level 10 unpromoted?How are they even useable?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 02 2016 19:27 GMT

#1337

Children are auto-leveled to your current chapter progress based on their growths. Past chapter 18 they are recruited at 20/-- but join with an Offspring Seal in their inventory which promotes them and auto-levels them to a level appropriate to the chapter at which you recruited them (so you can still pick their promotion). It also gives them the corresponding skills they would have gained and increases their weapon ranks accordingly.

Basically the children are never going to be underleveled at their join time, but since parent base stat inheritance was also massively reduced, they also won't be overpowered from inheriting their parent's bases. It's generally a massive improvement to the children mechanic and makes kids a lot more balanced (though the XP gained from doing the paralogues themselves does tend to make the next few chapters easier, but there's not much you can do about that).

chocorush

694 Posts

August 02 2016 21:14 GMT

#1338

They could make the impact of child chapters less dramatic. Shigure's chapter for example is complete overkill.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 02 2016 21:51 GMT

#1339

If I want to use Shigure, I flyskip that map because actually farming the map feels like cheating, lol.

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

August 02 2016 22:59 GMT

#1340

Maybe i'm used to how Awakening OP Corin but he feels kinda eh right now, Nohr Noble seems like a meh class (dragon Hex looks like an OK skill to get though), any thought on what I should reclass him(or I feel like I should reclass him).