Fire Emblem - Page 159

On August 18 2019 06:06 TheYango wrote:
There's 2 things going on here. First, units that are sufficiently low level get auto-leveled to level 20, while units that are close to, or above level 20 get something like 1-3 levels. Second, the lords get auto-promoted to their unique class at the start of part 2. If they are really low level, this happens *before* they get auto-leveled because the unique lord classes have no level or weapon rank requirements. So if you leave Claude at level 1 through all of part 1, he gets promoted first to Wyvern Master--which makes him a level 1 unit with 32 HP/19 Str/20 Spd/15 Def, then he gains 19 auto-levels on top of that.

This means that going into part 2, Claude will be a level 20 unit with averages of 39 HP/27 Str/30 Spd/21 Def. A "normal" level 30 Wyvern Master Claude that you just raised as a regular unit would only average 38 HP/25 Str/25 Spd/16 Def. By intentionally neglecting him in part 1, you get a unit with categorically better stats, at a lower level (so he gains XP more rapidly), and which took you absolutely no investment (so you get to distribute more XP to other units in part 1).

It has nothing to do with class growths, and everything to do with the fact that 3H uses FE1/Gaiden/SoV-style "promote-to-bases" promotion mechanics, coupled with the fact that the unique lord classes have no level requirements or skill prerequisites--taken to their logical extreme. The same thing can be done with the other two lords, it's just a lot better with Claude because a) Wyvern Master has meaningfully better bases than Armored Lord or High Lord (with Armored Lord having a notably awful 6 base Spd), and b) Wyvern Master is a much better class to start using at the start of part 2, while some effort needs to be made to get the skill ranks for Edelgard and Dimitri to unlock Wyvern Rider and Paladin when they see zero combat in part 1.

On August 19 2019 11:57 Alventenie wrote:



Claude imo. If you go by the cheese strat, Claude is guaranteed to be better in all aspects as his bases will be incredible compared to leveling Edel in part 1. And if you do that for Edel to try to even any playing field of getting over stated, you now have to grind all those weapon skills in part 2 to make her a wyvern rider/lord.

If you don't go cheese strat, Edel will have higher str growth, but Claude will average more spd/dex, which will be more important personally for just doubling everyone. You can more easily get stronger weapons to fix the str issue (as well as forges), but you can't fix Edel being possibly 6 points of speed slower at level 30.

She does have an advantage in that her prf weapon is pretty crazy, but you get so few uses for it if you are abusing its Combat Art. The repair for it requires very rare materials (So rare you don't get any in her route except for 1 map very late in the game).

If we are strictly talking ltc playthroughs, Claude will dominate with the auto promote/level cheese because his part 2 class is just far and above what Edels is. Its worth mentioning that Hilda is actually very comparable to Edel if you go wyvern route (slightly lower str, lower mag/dex/res, higher hp/spd), and since the stats she is lower in don't affect wyvern that much, having 2 wyverns that powerful will outweight the individual power people might say Edel has.

edit: And I forgot to mention. Even if you level Edel to wyvern in part 1, you can just level Hilda for a GD route, and still get a busted Claude in part 2 without losing the benefits of having a wyvern in part 1.