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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-17 14:25:15
April 17 2016 13:17 GMT
#181
Holy fuck how are you supposed to kill the 2 crocodogs to get the FaP ring? It's beyond retarded. They come both at the same time. Always. Even when I manage to delay 1 on a pillar pulling only the other for the first 10 seconds the other fucker always manages to join the first before I kill it. I literally died on these 2 motherfuckers more than any other boss in this game.
Shield+sword? No. Shield+ultra greatsword? nope. Greatshield no dodging + UGS? Nope.
Literally nothing works. Fuck this place so hard. Fuck you Miyazaki you dick for even imagining a place like this.
Over 40 tries and counting.... with a +8 zwei, 40 END 27VIG 50STR.

edit: 43rd try, got 1 of them down. + Show Spoiler [gear name] +
Full silver knight armor, cathedral knight's greatshield, zwei+8 + pale blue resin (magic).
No rolling, only blocking and tanking hits, trying to outheal the damage. Fuckers. It actually took less stamina to block a bite than to dodge it rolling. rofl.
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-17 14:57:02
April 17 2016 14:55 GMT
#182
You can use an arrow to lure one of them to the narrow area near the stairs.. makes the fight fairly "easy", those fuckers are hard.

just make sure that while you battle one of them you don't enter the big room, that will of course trigger the other dog to murder you
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
April 17 2016 15:04 GMT
#183
On April 17 2016 22:17 Latham wrote:
Holy fuck how are you supposed to kill the 2 crocodogs to get the FaP ring? It's beyond retarded. They come both at the same time. Always. Even when I manage to delay 1 on a pillar pulling only the other for the first 10 seconds the other fucker always manages to join the first before I kill it. I literally died on these 2 motherfuckers more than any other boss in this game.
Shield+sword? No. Shield+ultra greatsword? nope. Greatshield no dodging + UGS? Nope.
Literally nothing works. Fuck this place so hard. Fuck you Miyazaki you dick for even imagining a place like this.
Over 40 tries and counting.... with a +8 zwei, 40 END 27VIG 50STR.

edit: 43rd try, got 1 of them down. + Show Spoiler [gear name] +
Full silver knight armor, cathedral knight's greatshield, zwei+8 + pale blue resin (magic).
No rolling, only blocking and tanking hits, trying to outheal the damage. Fuckers. It actually took less stamina to block a bite than to dodge it rolling. rofl.


Pyro downs them in seconds hah. Makes the game so damn easy.
It is what it is
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
April 17 2016 16:24 GMT
#184
Could you post your stats and gear (including spells) that you use on pyro? I'm pretty interested since you'd need to put stats in both faith and intelligence to get damage up high which leaves you with less stats for str/dex and pretty weak weapons.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
April 17 2016 16:30 GMT
#185
On April 18 2016 01:24 Latham wrote:
Could you post your stats and gear (including spells) that you use on pyro? I'm pretty interested since you'd need to put stats in both faith and intelligence to get damage up high which leaves you with less stats for str/dex and pretty weak weapons.

Not really. I have mid-teens in Int and Faith both, and a +6 pyro glove, and + Show Spoiler +
chaos fireballs
and such decimate everything except bosses in a pinch. The int and faith scaling is less important than leveling the glove, it seems, much like the older titles.
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
April 17 2016 17:00 GMT
#186
On April 18 2016 01:24 Latham wrote:
Could you post your stats and gear (including spells) that you use on pyro? I'm pretty interested since you'd need to put stats in both faith and intelligence to get damage up high which leaves you with less stats for str/dex and pretty weak weapons.


I use these builds for PvP but they crush PvE also so I don't change anything. My SL120 beat NG++ pretty easy.
Like stated above my main spell is Chaos Fireorb, only thing you need for PvE. There are Five different weapons I've used with pyro. The hand axe, estoc, Witches locks, Astora Greatsword, and most recently the Gargoyle spear. You really only use your main hand weapon in PvP to switch it up and be tricky. So now into the Stats. Faith and Int are always 40/40. dex and strength only to weapon req. The hand axe, estoc and greatsword chaos infuse. The whip and spear are almost just used to switch it up into their weapon arts. I go up to 24-28 in attunement, base vitality and luck. endurance and vigor depends on the how many points I have after whats needs to go into dex and strength.

So a handaxe build would look like this (start pyro class)
+ Show Spoiler +

Vigor: 45
Attune: 28
End: 20
Vitality: 8
Str: 12
Dex: 9
Int: 40
Fth: 40
Luck: 7


Astora would look like this
+ Show Spoiler +

Vigor: 41
Attune: 27
End: 12
Vitality: 8
Str: 16
Dex: 18
Int: 40
Fth: 40
Luck: 7


Both of these are contrary to your belief that not investing into dex and str make your weapons weak. This is because of chaos infusion, now they scale with faith and int.

Rings I use are always Witch's, Swamp, Fire Clutch, and Sage. As for my gear keep it under 30% and you should almost never get hit. You have the advantage at range almost all the time so keep it that way.
It is what it is
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
April 17 2016 18:15 GMT
#187
for my STR build I'm currently aiming for:
+ Show Spoiler +
SL120 Knight
40 VIG
10 ATT
40 END
30 VIT (not sure about this stat)
50 STR
12 DEX
9 INT
9 FTH
7 LCK
+2 unspent points


and I'd imagine a quality build looking like this: + Show Spoiler +

121SL Knight

30 VIG
10 ATT
40 END
25 VIT
40 STR
40 DEX
9 INT
9 FTH
7 LCK


I dunno how good VIT actually is. It gives some defense stat boost but I feel like defense is useless, enemies hit for near or even over 1000 anyway. Might just take enough for the armor weigh you need and never level it up again.
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Yrr
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany804 Posts
April 17 2016 18:23 GMT
#188
If you go for level 130 you will still be able to play those level 120 players right?
So why bother with level 120 in the first place?
MMR decay is bad, m'kay? | Personal Hero: TerranHwaiting
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-17 18:28:04
April 17 2016 18:24 GMT
#189
Yeah I think armor at the end of the day is what you think you need based on how good you are at dodge. I just like to stay under 30% to be as mobile as possible esp with pyro.

Edit: SL120 meta Is just if you want to do even duels. You can't really say you're better if it's not even hah.
It is what it is
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
April 17 2016 18:27 GMT
#190
On April 18 2016 03:23 Yrr wrote:
If you go for level 130 you will still be able to play those level 120 players right?
So why bother with level 120 in the first place?


I actually don't know how matchmaking works. I read on reddit that after SL100 it doesn't go by increments of 10 anymore but by 5. So SL120 would fight around 115-125 I guess. Also I've seen streamers like Oro, Peeve etc. stop at around 120ish themselves so I dunno.
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Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
April 17 2016 18:31 GMT
#191
The Souls pvp community like to pick a SL that has a balance between not gimped but also can still be diverse. Matchmaking is too broad a term when talking about the pvp "meta". If you are just invading and playing randoms it doesn't matter at all. If you want to set up legit pvp duels with clubs/friends ect then you want to be even for clear reasons. Its also not a "build" if you just want to softcap every stat. At SL300 say everyone's builds would be the same.
It is what it is
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-17 19:32:30
April 17 2016 19:27 GMT
#192
On April 18 2016 02:00 Dizmaul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 01:24 Latham wrote:
Could you post your stats and gear (including spells) that you use on pyro? I'm pretty interested since you'd need to put stats in both faith and intelligence to get damage up high which leaves you with less stats for str/dex and pretty weak weapons.


I use these builds for PvP but they crush PvE also so I don't change anything. My SL120 beat NG++ pretty easy.
Like stated above my main spell is Chaos Fireorb, only thing you need for PvE. There are Five different weapons I've used with pyro. The hand axe, estoc, Witches locks, Astora Greatsword, and most recently the Gargoyle spear. You really only use your main hand weapon in PvP to switch it up and be tricky. So now into the Stats. Faith and Int are always 40/40. dex and strength only to weapon req. The hand axe, estoc and greatsword chaos infuse. The whip and spear are almost just used to switch it up into their weapon arts. I go up to 24-28 in attunement, base vitality and luck. endurance and vigor depends on the how many points I have after whats needs to go into dex and strength.

So a handaxe build would look like this (start pyro class)
+ Show Spoiler +

Vigor: 45
Attune: 28
End: 20
Vitality: 8
Str: 12
Dex: 9
Int: 40
Fth: 40
Luck: 7


Astora would look like this
+ Show Spoiler +

Vigor: 41
Attune: 27
End: 12
Vitality: 8
Str: 16
Dex: 18
Int: 40
Fth: 40
Luck: 7


Both of these are contrary to your belief that not investing into dex and str make your weapons weak. This is because of chaos infusion, now they scale with faith and int.

Rings I use are always Witch's, Swamp, Fire Clutch, and Sage. As for my gear keep it under 30% and you should almost never get hit. You have the advantage at range almost all the time so keep it that way.


Could you give some pointers how to level up a pyro? Like, do you mainly hack things with the axe, do you use a bow or is it just blasting things with spells? How you live until you get chaos fireball and so on. I'm a complete nablet in this game and have trouble with just leveling and getting on with the story. I swear sometimes there's input lag or something and I sit there hammering the dodge button and still get stunlocked to shit I liked the hand axe moveset so I'm down for doing a build with that.

also is there a button to swap between arrows you have equipped?
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-17 20:26:09
April 17 2016 19:49 GMT
#193
On April 18 2016 04:27 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 02:00 Dizmaul wrote:
On April 18 2016 01:24 Latham wrote:
Could you post your stats and gear (including spells) that you use on pyro? I'm pretty interested since you'd need to put stats in both faith and intelligence to get damage up high which leaves you with less stats for str/dex and pretty weak weapons.


I use these builds for PvP but they crush PvE also so I don't change anything. My SL120 beat NG++ pretty easy.
Like stated above my main spell is Chaos Fireorb, only thing you need for PvE. There are Five different weapons I've used with pyro. The hand axe, estoc, Witches locks, Astora Greatsword, and most recently the Gargoyle spear. You really only use your main hand weapon in PvP to switch it up and be tricky. So now into the Stats. Faith and Int are always 40/40. dex and strength only to weapon req. The hand axe, estoc and greatsword chaos infuse. The whip and spear are almost just used to switch it up into their weapon arts. I go up to 24-28 in attunement, base vitality and luck. endurance and vigor depends on the how many points I have after whats needs to go into dex and strength.

So a handaxe build would look like this (start pyro class)
+ Show Spoiler +

Vigor: 45
Attune: 28
End: 20
Vitality: 8
Str: 12
Dex: 9
Int: 40
Fth: 40
Luck: 7


Astora would look like this
+ Show Spoiler +

Vigor: 41
Attune: 27
End: 12
Vitality: 8
Str: 16
Dex: 18
Int: 40
Fth: 40
Luck: 7


Both of these are contrary to your belief that not investing into dex and str make your weapons weak. This is because of chaos infusion, now they scale with faith and int.

Rings I use are always Witch's, Swamp, Fire Clutch, and Sage. As for my gear keep it under 30% and you should almost never get hit. You have the advantage at range almost all the time so keep it that way.


Could you give some pointers how to level up a pyro? Like, do you mainly hack things with the axe, do you use a bow or is it just blasting things with spells? How you live until you get chaos fireball and so on. I'm a complete nablet in this game and have trouble with just leveling and getting on with the story. I swear sometimes there's input lag or something and I sit there hammering the dodge button and still get stunlocked to shit I liked the hand axe moveset so I'm down for doing a build with that.

also is there a button to swap between arrows you have equipped?



The easy way to level every class is rush ahead to power up then go back to clear bosses. I kind of take a speed run approach mostly using fireball. So what I do is use the hand axe with lightning resin to down first boss. Then I rush right to Abyss Watchers. On the way there I pick up my rings save the pyro guy, and grab all the estus shards and bones. When you go through swamp grab pyro tomb and switch to fire orb. In about 1h30m I'm level 30 ready to do abyss watchers. After that I rush right to Chaos Fireorb then go back and kill all the bosses I skipped.

Stats at 30
+ Show Spoiler +
Vigor: 19
Attune: 14
End: 10
Vitality: 8
Str: 12
Dex: 9
Int: 20
Fth: 20
Luck: 7
It is what it is
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-17 20:00:56
April 17 2016 19:58 GMT
#194
I've done quite a bit of farming myself and the best place I've found so far is after Pontiff Sulyvhan. There's a bunch(8-10 i dunno) of blue-robed apostoles and right after them 6 knights. With silver serpent ring and shield of want you'll be geting 3300 souls for each knight and around 770 for an apostole.
that's 6x3300 = 19'800 souls + 9 x770 = 26'730 souls. Might be a tiny bit less (not too sure about apostole numbers)
anyway you'll be picking up roughly 25'000 souls each run which takes maybe 7-8 minutes per. Use a homeward bone to get back to bonfire.
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Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
April 17 2016 20:09 GMT
#195
I just down dancer and farm lothric castle from the bonfire back to dancer it's about 11k souls in about 2-3min. And I only do that till I get to archdragon peak and farm there.
It is what it is
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
April 17 2016 20:33 GMT
#196
On April 18 2016 04:49 Dizmaul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 04:27 daemir wrote:
On April 18 2016 02:00 Dizmaul wrote:
On April 18 2016 01:24 Latham wrote:
Could you post your stats and gear (including spells) that you use on pyro? I'm pretty interested since you'd need to put stats in both faith and intelligence to get damage up high which leaves you with less stats for str/dex and pretty weak weapons.


I use these builds for PvP but they crush PvE also so I don't change anything. My SL120 beat NG++ pretty easy.
Like stated above my main spell is Chaos Fireorb, only thing you need for PvE. There are Five different weapons I've used with pyro. The hand axe, estoc, Witches locks, Astora Greatsword, and most recently the Gargoyle spear. You really only use your main hand weapon in PvP to switch it up and be tricky. So now into the Stats. Faith and Int are always 40/40. dex and strength only to weapon req. The hand axe, estoc and greatsword chaos infuse. The whip and spear are almost just used to switch it up into their weapon arts. I go up to 24-28 in attunement, base vitality and luck. endurance and vigor depends on the how many points I have after whats needs to go into dex and strength.

So a handaxe build would look like this (start pyro class)
+ Show Spoiler +

Vigor: 45
Attune: 28
End: 20
Vitality: 8
Str: 12
Dex: 9
Int: 40
Fth: 40
Luck: 7


Astora would look like this
+ Show Spoiler +

Vigor: 41
Attune: 27
End: 12
Vitality: 8
Str: 16
Dex: 18
Int: 40
Fth: 40
Luck: 7


Both of these are contrary to your belief that not investing into dex and str make your weapons weak. This is because of chaos infusion, now they scale with faith and int.

Rings I use are always Witch's, Swamp, Fire Clutch, and Sage. As for my gear keep it under 30% and you should almost never get hit. You have the advantage at range almost all the time so keep it that way.


Could you give some pointers how to level up a pyro? Like, do you mainly hack things with the axe, do you use a bow or is it just blasting things with spells? How you live until you get chaos fireball and so on. I'm a complete nablet in this game and have trouble with just leveling and getting on with the story. I swear sometimes there's input lag or something and I sit there hammering the dodge button and still get stunlocked to shit I liked the hand axe moveset so I'm down for doing a build with that.

also is there a button to swap between arrows you have equipped?



The easy way to level every class is rush ahead to power up then go back to clear bosses. I kind of take a speed run approach mostly using fireball. So what I do is use the hand axe with lightning resin to down first boss. Then I rush right to Abyss Watchers. On the way there I pick up my rings save the pyro guy, and grab all the estus shards and bones. When you go through swamp grab pyro tomb and switch to fire orb. In about 1h30m I'm level 30 ready to do abyss watchers. After that I rush right to Chaos Fireorb then go back and kill all the bosses I skipped.

Stats at 30
+ Show Spoiler +
Vigor: 19
Attune: 14
End: 10
Vitality: 8
Str: 12
Dex: 9
Int: 20
Fth: 20
Luck: 7


Where is the chaos fireorb? I fear im too much a completionist for this game :\
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
April 17 2016 20:48 GMT
#197
What I do is not how to play for your main playthrough. This is after you beat the game a couple times and just want to level up fast for pvp. Chaos fireorb is bought from pyro guy when you bring him a tomb from the demon ruins. So you can tech get it right after abyss watchers.
It is what it is
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
April 17 2016 21:32 GMT
#198
How does roll speed work in 3? I remember it changing 1-2 and I honestly have a hard time eyeballing it on tests.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
April 17 2016 21:37 GMT
#199
On April 18 2016 06:32 Yoav wrote:
How does roll speed work in 3? I remember it changing 1-2 and I honestly have a hard time eyeballing it on tests.


Below 30% = fast roll speed, with extra range
Below 70% = fast roll speed, standard range
Above 70% = fat roll
I dunno if darkwood grain ring is in or not, I haven't found it yet. So maybe on the ninja flips.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
April 17 2016 21:53 GMT
#200
Diz do you carry a shield with you on pyro or other weapons, or is it just pyro hand + axe all day long?
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