EPTOn a positive note Fallout 3 and especially New Vegas had a passionate modding community, so there is hope yet for this game. Although I am not sure if anyone capable will be bothered to put in as much time as people did with mods such as Project Nevada.
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KrOeastbound
England59 Posts
On a positive note Fallout 3 and especially New Vegas had a passionate modding community, so there is hope yet for this game. Although I am not sure if anyone capable will be bothered to put in as much time as people did with mods such as Project Nevada. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Then Troika tried to pitch a not-Fallout post-apocalyptic RPG to publishers and couldn't get a buyer, which basically killed the company. That's still actually crazy to me--that publishers wouldn't buy into the idea of a Cain/Boyarsky/Anderson Fallout spiritual-sequel. I guess Arcanum and VtMB didn't sell well enough to their liking even though they're still considered to be two of the best CRPGs ever made. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:15 KrOeastbound wrote: In 2011 Skyrim won game of the year ahead of games like Dark Souls. If Fallout 4 wins 2015 game of the year ahead of The Witcher 3 then I predict a riot. On a positive note Fallout 3 and especially New Vegas had a passionate modding community, so there is hope yet for this game. Although I am not sure if anyone capable will be bothered to put in as much time as people did with mods such as Project Nevada. Dark Souls 1 was a bug ridden mess that ran like shit on the platform is was released on. Frame rate was the greatest enemy in blight town. I love the game, but lets not rewrite history here. | ||
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:09 Dysisa wrote: Well, for one most ideas for Van Buren were put into New Vegas, actually. So in a way, I guess it was sorta finished? If that's not good enough for you though, Brian Fargo, the man behind Wasteland 2, picked up the Van Buren license not long ago. So hey, we might still see Van Buren in one shape or another! I know that, but STILL  Also, totally forgot about that, actually it's been a while since Fargo bought it. Hopefully in the future something will be made with that licence. Wasteland 2 was really nice game! Really liked it, even tho I got my ass kicked in California so many times I stopped counting. The problem, at least for me, is that current "Fallouts" are kinda ruining the legacy. People who never played original ones claiming F3/F4 is "da best game evah", with even Bethesda picking the mechanics apart and in the next few iterations it probably have no resemblance of where it all began. That thought is making me a bit sad. Again, would have no problem if they actually created their own IP instead of buying it. Not gonna say to people "you suck, F4 suxx", they enjoy it, good for them. But I will never forget what bitchsoft did, that's for sure. Also, seconding to idea of sequel to Fallout Tactics. Does even anybody know where the license is? With Bethesda I presume? | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:15 KrOeastbound wrote: In 2011 Skyrim won game of the year ahead of games like Dark Souls. If Fallout 4 wins 2015 game of the year ahead of The Witcher 3 then I predict a riot. On a positive note Fallout 3 and especially New Vegas had a passionate modding community, so there is hope yet for this game. Although I am not sure if anyone capable will be bothered to put in as much time as people did with mods such as Project Nevada. GOTY from which publications? and why care either way? | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:18 Plansix wrote: Dark Souls 1 was a bug ridden mess that ran like shit on the platform is was released on. Frame rate was the greatest enemy in blight town. I love the game, but lets not rewrite history here. Lmao, and Skyrim was a pinnacle of game development from technical side of things? PLEASE. | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:16 TheYango wrote: Troika actually attempted to acquire the Fallout license, but Bethesda paid more money for it. Then Troika tried to pitch a not-Fallout post-apocalyptic RPG to publishers and couldn't get a buyer, which basically killed the company. That's still actually crazy to me--that publishers wouldn't buy into the idea of a Cain/Boyarsky/Anderson Fallout spiritual-sequel. I guess Arcanum and VtMB didn't sell well enough to their liking even though they're still considered to be two of the best CRPGs ever made. From what I've heard, Bioware was ahead of Troika in the running for the Fallout license too. I think Bioware would have done far worse things to the franchise than Bethesda has, so I guess it's not all bad. Arcanum and VTMB are both games I really love, but I believe a combination of Valve and Activision completely fucked over Troika in the development of the latter. Activision especially are the ones most responsible for Troika dying. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On November 12 2015 00:38 Reaps wrote: Again you're making assumptions on a game you have not even played, and instead of elaborating on your points you just decide to simply insult everything you dislike, you're allowed free speech of course but you must expect people to call you out if you choose to post like that, and so far most people have questioned your intelligence which if i'm honest, seems way below average. FO1 and FO2 were good games of course, but did not stand the test of time (combat system was painfully slow and would not work in todays world). While I didn't like Elder Scrolls games Bethesda took fallout and changed it in a way it would work and in doing so, sold more than they would of if they kept it with the old system. You're still entitled to think what you like though, but I guarantee its mainly the nostalgia speaking. No matter how good FO4 is, even if it was the best game ever made, you'll still find ways to trash talk it, plenty of people like you on here, gets a bit tiring having to read through your bullshit incoherent posts every few pages though. Oh but Fo1 and Fo2 did stand test of time, they are still popular and played. And that nostalgia argument is so lol. It only works (maybe) for people that only played these games long time ago. In recent years I played Fo2 again and played FNV after than and Fo2 is so much better. I will not even compare it with Fo3, Fo3 does not deserve to be compared. So anyone got any other excuses? Funny thing is that people accuse me of not respecting your opinions but you are doing same exact stuff with crap like "nostalgia" and other common excuses. Only difference is that you are clueless how bad modern Fallout games are while thinking I am clueless how good modern Fallout games are. Sorry guys, but you just a different side of a coin from me. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:19 OsaX Nymloth wrote: I know that, but STILL Also, totally forgot about that, actually it's been a while since Fargo bought it. Hopefully in the future something will be made with that licence. Wasteland 2 was really nice game! Really liked it, even tho I got my ass kicked in California so many times I stopped counting. The problem, at least for me, is that current "Fallouts" are kinda ruining the legacy. People who never played original ones claiming F3/F4 is "da best game evah", with even Bethesda picking the mechanics apart and in the next few iterations it probably have no resemblance of where it all began. That thought is making me a bit sad. Again, would have no problem if they actually created their own IP instead of buying it. Not gonna say to people "you suck, F4 suxx", they enjoy it, good for them. But I will never forget what bitchsoft did, that's for sure. Also, seconding to idea of sequel to Fallout Tactics. Does even anybody know where the license is? With Bethesda I presume? I'm sure he's got something planned for Van Buren, doubt he'd have fetched it otherwise. I like to imagine that a similar arrangement Obsidian had with New Vegas could be made for inXile to make Van Buren or something. A man can dream if nothing else! I get you, man. It gnaws at me when people who never played the original games talk about how shit they are or whatever. But my mother always told me; "stupid people say stupid things", so I just remember her words of wisdom and disregard them.  I don't have a whole lot of love for Bethesda either, that's for sure. But I can't COMPLETELY hate them since they did still let New Vegas happen. | ||
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KrOeastbound
England59 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:21 trifecta wrote: GOTY from which publications? and why care either way? Skyrim pretty much swept the boards for awards that year iirc. I am not too bothered personally, but there will be lots of online drama if Bethesda get showered with awards this time. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:32 Plansix wrote: I don’t understand how you continue to miss the point. No one thinks your opinion is invalid. They just think you express it like a jerk who’s goal is to tell people how shitty the game they like is. Like a hardcore dota fan going to a Heroes of the Storm thread can calling them all casuals. I should do this just to see what happens. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:35 KrOeastbound wrote: Skyrim pretty much swept the boards for awards that year iirc. I am not too bothered anyway personally, but there will be a lots of online drama if Bethesda get showered with awards this time. Skyrim is a more functional game that FO4 and isn’t as impressive this time around. Skyrim had problems, but the scope, scale and ambition of the game was very impressive at the time. In no other game could you steal all the world’s cheese for yourself. Sure it was a bug ridden mess, but they managed to be kinda charming most of the time and a result of how large the game is. Fallout 4 does not have this and its bugs directly effect play ability at a core level on consoles. It might make a bunch of personal top tens, but there are more impressive, different games this year. On November 12 2015 01:38 TheYango wrote: I should do this just to see what happens. I am pretty sure they will either ignore you or agree that the game is easier than dota. Someone might take the bait. | ||
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FruitsPunchSamurai
United Kingdom87 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:26 -Archangel- wrote: Oh but Fo1 and Fo2 did stand test of time, they are still popular and played. And that nostalgia argument is so lol. It only works (maybe) for people that only played these games long time ago. In recent years I played Fo2 again and played FNV after than and Fo2 is so much better. I will not even compare it with Fo3, Fo3 does not deserve to be compared. So anyone got any other excuses? Funny thing is that people accuse me of not respecting your opinions but you are doing same exact stuff with crap like "nostalgia" and other common excuses. Only difference is that you are clueless how bad modern Fallout games are while thinking I am clueless how good modern Fallout games are. Sorry guys, but you just a different side of a coin from me. No one is calling you out for having an opinion, They're calling you out for being an asshole about it. Also, by "not standing the tests of time", I believe that Reaps was talking about how the combat system is not something that would be popular with the majority of today's audience (like it or not, casual gamers are the majority) and is probably right about the current system selling more than if it was the old system. | ||
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:39 FruitsPunchSamurai wrote: I believe that Reaps was talking about how the combat system is not something that would be popular with the majority of today's audience (like it or not, casual gamers are the majority) and is probably right about the current system selling more than if it was the old system. The difference of opinion isn't so much about how good the combat system is, but rather whether a good combat system is a make-or-break element of an RPG. FO1/2's approach to combat is essentially that it's functional when the player chooses to employ it, but not necessary or even encouraged for game completion (less true of FO2 than FO1). As such, a good combat system that remains engaging on a repeatable basis is simply not something that should be important to the gameplay experience. That combat-light approach hasn't really been popular since CRPGs hit consoles though. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:32 Plansix wrote: I don’t understand how you continue to miss the point. No one thinks your opinion is invalid. They just think you express it like a jerk who’s goal is to tell people how shitty the game they like is. Like a hardcore dota fan going to a Heroes of the Storm thread can calling them all casuals. There are different ways to say it. When someone uses nostalgia word that is not much different than saying you "are old and don't remember well" or "you are too stupid to understand modern games". | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:53 -Archangel- wrote: There are different ways to say it. When someone uses nostalgia word that is not much different than saying you "are old and don't remember well" or "you are too stupid to understand modern games". What does that have to do with what I said? | ||
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KrOeastbound
England59 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:53 -Archangel- wrote: There are different ways to say it. When someone uses nostalgia word that is not much different than saying you "are old and don't remember well" or "you are too stupid to understand modern games". The nostalgia argument is a lame presumptuous argument tbh. I actually only played FO1+2 a couple of years ago and enjoyed them. Back in the day I was more into infinity engine cRPGs and never gave Fallout a chance, but luckily GoG was offering FO1+2 and tactics for free for a while and I was definitely happy I downloaded them. The first is my fav of the series, although FO2 and New Vegas have more depth and replayabilty. But that first playthrough of FO1 is sweet man. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:57 Plansix wrote: What does that have to do with what I said? Read it again and you will understand. I hope or it is pointless to continue talking to you. | ||
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