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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
With only 2 days to go before the start of MLG, MLG has just announced that the  ex-iBP squad has withdrawn from the competiton. Whether or not this is related to the match fixing scandal that was brought to light over the past couple of weeks is up to speculations. With ex-iBP withdrawing now, another american team will replace them but the questions are up in the air regarding the team that will take the vacant spot in Group B. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Liquid???? PLS LIQUID I wonder if this has anything to do with all the matchfixing stuff | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
 I'm not really a torqued fan tho. Moe and all. At this point it feels like the invite will go to whoever can show up on 2 days notice though, so there's hope  | ||
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wun4
Slovakia91 Posts
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mki
Poland882 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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wun4
Slovakia91 Posts
EDIT: Hmm, according to DailyDot, the replacement will likely be Team Liquid. So maybe the Torqued tweet was about something else, after all. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Like i said, it's a speculations leading towards either team liquid or torqued so this will be interesting (they'll have to play both fnatic and ldlc and cloud9 which is a tall order to handle) | ||
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wun4
Slovakia91 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Richard_Lewis
United Kingdom446 Posts
Sad to see so many people discrediting myself and my publication about this news. I've got a very good track record over ten years and don't ever go to print unless my sources are reliable. Let me tell you here. It WILL be Team Liquid. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:06 Richard_Lewis wrote: Hi guys, Sad to see so many people discrediting myself and my publication about this news. I've got a very good track record over ten years and don't ever go to print unless my sources are reliable. Let me tell you here. It WILL be Team Liquid. Well Richard, you're right! Sorry for doubting you | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:06 Richard_Lewis wrote: Hi guys, Sad to see so many people discrediting myself and my publication about this news. I've got a very good track record over ten years and don't ever go to print unless my sources are reliable. Let me tell you here. It WILL be Team Liquid. Well I'm ready to trust you about that as you always do a great job, but there is nothing wrong really about waiting for the official statement before rejoicing. Very good news if this confirms. edit: and it does. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
literally before richard made that post, though I assume he didn't know that at the time I must say, I'm glad he was right | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Regardless, I'm glad it's Liquid over Torqued. Class is appreciated, and they are no worse in terms of skill. Unfortunately it's the group of death, but maybe they'll gain some valuable experience. | ||
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:31 yamato77 wrote: They kind of had to have had something to do with throwing the match, considering they did the purported throwing themselves. Regardless, I'm glad it's Liquid over Torqued. Class is appreciated, and they are no worse in terms of skill. Unfortunately it's the group of death, but maybe they'll gain some valuable experience. Look back at the qualifiers. Compare the performances of the teams in that. Torqued deserved the spot. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Plus, Liquid actually has a major sponsor to get them to the venue right away. | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:31 yamato77 wrote: They kind of had to have had something to do with throwing the match, considering they did the purported throwing themselves. Regardless, I'm glad it's Liquid over Torqued. Class is appreciated, and they are no worse in terms of skill. Unfortunately it's the group of death, but maybe they'll gain some valuable experience. All it really takes is 1 player to throw a match. In this case I think there were two, dazed and steel. | ||
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:37 Souma wrote: Torqued has two players involved in the match-fixing scandal. Liquid was the right choice. Possibly two players would be more accurate. I read the dailydot article, but Steel isn't proven to be implicated unless someone somewhere knows something I don't. Dazed was the only player of iBP to be specifically named in the article. EDIT to respond to their edit: On January 22 2015 04:37 Souma wrote: Torqued has two players involved in the match-fixing scandal. Liquid was the right choice. Plus, Liquid actually has a major sponsor to get them to the venue right away. Do you really think Steel/m0E could not afford to send the rest of the team there even without the help of MLG? | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I think that steel/mOE are not nearly as reliable as Liquid (not to mention who knows if the other players are available to go, they aren't pros and might have other commitments), and in an emergency situation where the organizer has to find a team asap to replace another, you go with the team with the most reliability on short notice. In any case, not even sure they asked Torqued due to dboorn and (possibly) steel being in the thick of the drama. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialHiko/posts/419961114839903 | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:55 Souma wrote: Hiko just announced he's a free agent. https://www.facebook.com/OfficialHiko/posts/419961114839903 Looks like the withdrawal from mlg was due to the match fixing scandal (he hints at it). Interesting to see Valve get involved in this though | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Souma
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Souma
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 22 2015 04:41 Gorilla23 wrote: Do you really think Steel/m0E could not afford to send the rest of the team there even without the help of MLG? Exactly, I guarantee steel/moe would get their team there with how badly they wanted it. It's just sad that MLG didn't even seem to consider them. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:17 DEN1ED wrote: MLG is such a fucking joke hahaha. Torqued make both qualifier finals and just get completely passed over? All they care about is TL is a big org so more viewers. Money over integrity. Nice MLG. Quite the opposite considering the betting scandal. Yes, from a performance standpoint Torqued was the obvious choice, but if you consider the scandal, Liquid becomes a very valid option. What probably tipped the balance in favor of Liquid is maybe the fact that they also have major sponsors that can send them there on such a short notice. Also, how do you know they did not consider them. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:17 DEN1ED wrote: MLG is such a fucking joke hahaha. Torqued make both qualifier finals and just get completely passed over? All they care about is TL is a big org so more viewers. Money over integrity. Nice MLG. Exactly, I guarantee steel/moe would get their team there with how badly they wanted it. It's just sad that MLG didn't even seem to consider them. No, it's about the matchfix. Liquid is the logical choice. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:26 Roggay wrote: Quite the opposite considering the betting scandal. Yes, from a performance standpoint Torqued was the obvious choice, but if you consider the scandal, Liquid becomes a very valid option. What probably tipped the balance in favor of Liquid is maybe the fact that they also have major sponsors that can send them there on such a short notice. Also, how do you know they did not consider them. MLG provides the travel accommendations, not the players/sponsors themselves. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:34 amazingxkcd wrote: MLG provides the travel accommendations, not the players/sponsors themselves. Did not know that. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:26 Roggay wrote: Quite the opposite considering the betting scandal. Yes, from a performance standpoint Torqued was the obvious choice, but if you consider the scandal, Liquid becomes a very valid option. What probably tipped the balance in favor of Liquid is maybe the fact that they also have major sponsors that can send them there on such a short notice. Also, how do you know they did not consider them. Sponsors don't get you to the events, money does. Torqued has money. The betting scandal is still just a bunch of speculation with no concrete sources. And from moes tweet it doesn't sound like MLG even contacted them. The only reason liquid got picked over more deserving/better teams is because its TL and MLG wants more viewers. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:37 DEN1ED wrote: Sponsors don't get you to the events, money does. Torqued has money. The betting scandal is still just a bunch of speculation with no concrete sources. And from moes tweet it doesn't sound like MLG even contacted them. The only reason liquid got picked over more deserving/better teams is because its TL and MLG wants more viewers. That's false. At the very least, dboorn profited from the match-fixing, and that's enough to put a big question mark on Torqued. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:39 yamato77 wrote: If I was MLG I wouldn't choose Torqued either, they are not a respectable team. Well fnatic was an INVITE team so it doesn't seem respectable rates highly on their scale of what they look for in a team. | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:37 DEN1ED wrote: Sponsors don't get you to the events, money does. Torqued has money. The betting scandal is still just a bunch of speculation with no concrete sources. And from moes tweet it doesn't sound like MLG even contacted them. The only reason liquid got picked over more deserving/better teams is because its TL and MLG wants more viewers. In what universe does your 1st sentence makes sense? Sponsors = money. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:41 Souma wrote: That's false. At the very least, dboorn profited from the match-fixing, and that's enough to put a big question mark on Torqued. Lots of people profited from it. But some screenshots that a 12 year old could fake make him guilty? | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:44 DPK wrote: In what universe does your 1st sentence makes sense? Sponsors = money. Exactly, but just because Torqued doesn't have sponsors doesn't mean they don't have money. He was acting like since Torqued don't have sponsors they wouldn't be able to get to the event. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:45 DEN1ED wrote: Lots of people profited from it. But some screenshots that a 12 year old could fake make him guilty? The convo looks very hard to fake. Plus they did track down the phone number to his actual phone. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:46 Roggay wrote: The convo looks very hard to fake. Plus they did track down the phone number to his actual phone. And if all those people profited from it while knowing that the match would be thrown, they deserve to be punished too. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
#1. MLG pays for your travels and stays so any argument regarding money for travelling to the event + staying is moot. #2. Availability. This is on a 2 day notice. Who knows what are the torqued player's schedules (not all of the players are full time players, their real life jobs might be holding them back). Thus, it's pretty clear with this announcement that teamliquid was more ready to go at a moment's notice than torqued was. | ||
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Souma
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:50 amazingxkcd wrote: There's 2 things all of you missing out on. #1. MLG pays for your travels and stays so any argument regarding money for travelling to the event + staying is moot. #2. Availability. This is on a 2 day notice. Who knows what are the torqued player's schedules (not all of the players are full time players, their real life jobs might be holding them back). Thus, it's pretty clear with this announcement that teamliquid was more ready to go at a moment's notice than torqued was. One other minor factor would be that Steel is already hired as an observer for them and they would have to find another one. Granted, it would not be that huge of a deal but still. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:50 amazingxkcd wrote: #2. Availability. This is on a 2 day notice. Who knows what are the torqued player's schedules (not all of the players are full time players, their real life jobs might be holding them back). I agree that maybe Torqued wouldn't have been able to attend due to their real life shit, but at least contact them and ask? | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:55 Souma wrote: I'm pretty confident that MLG overlooked Torqued because of dboorN and possibly steel being in the center of the drama that caused iBP to withdraw. Otherwise, they would have at least asked Torqued, "Are you guys available to fly out for the tournament?" Im pretty thats the case yes. From MLG's pov it is definitely the correct and safest business decision so close to the event. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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Souma
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 22 2015 05:43 DEN1ED wrote: Well fnatic was an INVITE team so it doesn't seem respectable rates highly on their scale of what they look for in a team. Lol? Fnatic are no torqued, let's make that clear very quickly. I may dislike the team but they are nowhere near as disreputable as moe/steel/dboorn. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 22 2015 06:14 Souma wrote: I don't believe recent results were included, as C9 got the invite for NA instead of iBP. Ya, how does that make sense? Feels like the invite teams, and now TL, are picked based on a popularity contest. MLG prioritizing viewers over match quality. Business comes first I guess. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 22 2015 06:28 DEN1ED wrote: Ya, how does that make sense? Feels like the invite teams, and now TL, are picked based on a popularity contest. MLG prioritizing viewers over match quality. Business comes first I guess. This is a pretty stacked tournament for a LAN in Colorado in the middle of January. | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
On January 22 2015 06:28 DEN1ED wrote: Ya, how does that make sense? Feels like the invite teams, and now TL, are picked based on a popularity contest. MLG prioritizing viewers over match quality. Business comes first I guess. Business will always come first no matter what, else you probably wouldn't be here talking about cs. I thought this was common knowledge. Also, just because certain teams get an Invite doesn't mean that matches quality will be lower. You will see the top teams play and that's what matters the most IMO. I don't want to sound rude but your comment reminds me of the old days of cs1.6 where everyone was going crazy on GotFrag when changes happen because all decisions we're apparently against the cs community and it was all about the money and it's kinda sad. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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Striker.superfreunde
Germany1119 Posts
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On January 22 2015 07:01 DPK wrote: Also, just because certain teams get an Invite doesn't mean that matches quality will be lower. You will see the top teams play and that's what matters the most IMO. If you invite teams based on popularity instead of performance how does that not lower match quality?. Sure, fnatic and nip are still great teams I know, but certainly LDLC should have gotten one of those invite spots. Personally I'd rather "invites" just didn't exist at all though. They could have just run more qualifiers or taken top 2 teams from each qualifier instead. And I know it's a business and money always has to come first, but that is the sad part, not my comments. | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
In any case, like I mentioned above, all the good teams ended up getting in anyway so I don't care too much about the whole thing. Just a shame iBP had to withdraw but it was necessary I guess. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
From Hiko: "The other guys felt like until they know what is going to happen with valve and until this cloud of uncertainty goes away that it is in their best not to worry about playing in tournaments." There has to be some other outside forces acting because this makes no sense. If you are worried about some kind of ban or something then I would want to play as much as possible before that happened... | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On January 22 2015 07:29 DEN1ED wrote: I also still don't even understand ibp backing out. From Hiko: "The other guys felt like until they know what is going to happen with valve and until this cloud of uncertainty goes away that it is in their best not to worry about playing in tournaments." There has to be some other outside forces acting because this makes no sense. If you are worried about some kind of ban or something then I would want to play as much as possible before that happened... I understand it completely. They lost their potential signing to EG/whomever, and are basically gonna get shit on in groups by ldlc and fnatic anyways. No reason for them to make a trip where they wont even be representing an org. I still think they should have went but I don't really expect anything more from them knowing how immature they all seem to be, except for Hiko of course. | ||
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funruiner
Canada2 Posts
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Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
Also interesting that steel hasn't said anything about it on twitter. Thought he would've exploded about it Maybe he's mid flight to Aspen and hasn't heard the news yet. | ||
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On January 22 2015 07:29 DEN1ED wrote: I also still don't even understand ibp backing out. From Hiko: "The other guys felt like until they know what is going to happen with valve and until this cloud of uncertainty goes away that it is in their best not to worry about playing in tournaments." There has to be some other outside forces acting because this makes no sense. If you are worried about some kind of ban or something then I would want to play as much as possible before that happened... matchfixing On January 22 2015 08:06 Nagisama wrote: Kind of surprised they chose TL over Torqued after hearing Torqued played better in the qualifiers. While I still prefer TL over Torqued going, it just seems to be a weird decision. If MLG didn't choose Torqued because of the match fixing, then why did they ask steel to observe? wasn't he also on that iBP team at the time? Also interesting that steel hasn't said anything about it on twitter. Thought he would've exploded about it Maybe he's mid flight to Aspen and hasn't heard the news yet.good on mlg for not going with scumbags/matchfixers | ||
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Nagisama
Canada4481 Posts
On January 22 2015 08:14 coL.hendralisk wrote: matchfixing good on mlg for not going with scumbags/matchfixers They're still going with a "scumbag/matchfixing" observer, was my main point. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On January 22 2015 08:06 Nagisama wrote: Also interesting that steel hasn't said anything about it on twitter. Thought he would've exploded about it Maybe he's mid flight to Aspen and hasn't heard the news yet. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
Yes I know about the match fixing, that doesn't explain not playing... | ||
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On January 22 2015 08:48 DEN1ED wrote: Yes I know about the match fixing, that doesn't explain not playing... perhaps their sponsorship fell through after unreleased new evidence from valve/csgl about the matches | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On January 22 2015 08:54 coL.hendralisk wrote: perhaps their sponsorship fell through after unreleased new evidence from valve/csgl about the matches even if sponsorship fell through, they still had travel accommodations from MLG... | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On January 22 2015 07:13 DEN1ED wrote: If you invite teams based on popularity instead of performance how does that not lower match quality?. Sure, fnatic and nip are still great teams I know, but certainly LDLC should have gotten one of those invite spots. Personally I'd rather "invites" just didn't exist at all though. They could have just run more qualifiers or taken top 2 teams from each qualifier instead. And I know it's a business and money always has to come first, but that is the sad part, not my comments. MLG announced the tournament first week of November and then released the invites a week before DHW started. NiP was the most recent winner of a major and fnatic was the best team. If LDLC won the major prior to the announcement of the tournament or before MLG sent the invites, they probably would have been one of those invites. In the end, I don't think it really mattered. All the top teams seemed to have made it (within the regions); with maybe the exception of VP. | ||
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