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HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
March 23 2016 13:03 GMT
#1041
I just started playing again after taking a couple years off. I had to start from 0 experience points and rank up to level 3 before playing matchmaking. I used to be dmg but got placed in gold nova. I immediately got dropped to silver after losing 5 in a row. I am pretty sure it is impossible to rank up at this level as a solo q. I get the absolute worst teammates. People just force buy and push everywhere. People who don't know to walk. Players who just teamflash at the start of every match. Multiple players with 200 pings who don't speak English. I end up pulling like 20+ frags while losing 16-4 almost every time. Had this little kid yesterday who was like waiting for the enemy to turn the corner he was holding in a 1v1 just give himself away by making random footsteps. Dude turns the corner and prefires him. I tell him that he should be quiet in those situations to get the jump on the guy and hes like, "Yeah im sure a rank 3 would know better than me."

Even when I win it isn't fun because I still have these terrible teammates and the other team is just worse. Really dumb that valve completely reset my account despite having 600+ hours on record, a "5 year veteran coin", and having been a steady dmg last time I played regularly.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
March 23 2016 13:42 GMT
#1042
On March 23 2016 22:03 HugoBallzak wrote:
I just started playing again after taking a couple years off. I had to start from 0 experience points and rank up to level 3 before playing matchmaking. I used to be dmg but got placed in gold nova. I immediately got dropped to silver after losing 5 in a row. I am pretty sure it is impossible to rank up at this level as a solo q. I get the absolute worst teammates. People just force buy and push everywhere. People who don't know to walk. Players who just teamflash at the start of every match. Multiple players with 200 pings who don't speak English. I end up pulling like 20+ frags while losing 16-4 almost every time. Had this little kid yesterday who was like waiting for the enemy to turn the corner he was holding in a 1v1 just give himself away by making random footsteps. Dude turns the corner and prefires him. I tell him that he should be quiet in those situations to get the jump on the guy and hes like, "Yeah im sure a rank 3 would know better than me."

Even when I win it isn't fun because I still have these terrible teammates and the other team is just worse. Really dumb that valve completely reset my account despite having 600+ hours on record, a "5 year veteran coin", and having been a steady dmg last time I played regularly.


MMR decay is very serious to Valve
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-23 14:05:01
March 23 2016 14:02 GMT
#1043
You have to hyper carry the team and play the soloQ way, which might not be exactly the same as playing effective CounterStrike... I personally hate that. I had to do it on LoL to help my gf who plays AD Carries that aren't able to hyper carry a team like some other champions can, and it's just painful. Even when you outplay your lane completely, even when you outplay the whole team during the first 20 minutes, people start doing stupids and you might lose a won game... You have to deal with people that don't know any basic form of common sense... And as it's a team game, there's little you can do about it...

Not really funny while you're stuck here :x
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HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
March 23 2016 14:12 GMT
#1044
Yeah its really dumb, especially because even someone as rusty as me when it comes to movement and aim can still be effective in higher ranks just based on smart play while I get my gun skills back. I don't know why valve would think that just because a player hasn't played in a couple years that they would completely forget how to play cs and have to start at the same level a complete cs noob has to.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
March 23 2016 15:54 GMT
#1045
On March 23 2016 23:12 HugoBallzak wrote:
Yeah its really dumb, especially because even someone as rusty as me when it comes to movement and aim can still be effective in higher ranks just based on smart play while I get my gun skills back. I don't know why valve would think that just because a player hasn't played in a couple years that they would completely forget how to play cs and have to start at the same level a complete cs noob has to.

Afaik the reasoning behind the rank decay has more to do with avoiding people from getting carried to a rank and then sitting on it forever (I think you need a win to refresh the inactive cooldown, but I could be wrong). They want to avoid having a large pool of inactive globals.

It's a bit annoying yea, but at the same time if you play a lot you will get your rank back by just carrying. If you want to speed this up you should really duo-queue with someone of your level and your rank will skyrocket in no time. Being two to hold and take sites really helps.

Other than that, if you hyper-carry (as mentionned before) it really goes fast. My second account got knocked back in gold nova something from LE I think, and my main being Global atm, I was absolutely crushing those poor guys with 40+ kills games. If anything it's funny for me and really unfair for them, but I can't really do anything about it since I need to rank back up.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8260 Posts
March 23 2016 16:23 GMT
#1046
On March 24 2016 00:54 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2016 23:12 HugoBallzak wrote:
Yeah its really dumb, especially because even someone as rusty as me when it comes to movement and aim can still be effective in higher ranks just based on smart play while I get my gun skills back. I don't know why valve would think that just because a player hasn't played in a couple years that they would completely forget how to play cs and have to start at the same level a complete cs noob has to.

Afaik the reasoning behind the rank decay has more to do with avoiding people from getting carried to a rank and then sitting on it forever (I think you need a win to refresh the inactive cooldown, but I could be wrong). They want to avoid having a large pool of inactive globals.

It's a bit annoying yea, but at the same time if you play a lot you will get your rank back by just carrying. If you want to speed this up you should really duo-queue with someone of your level and your rank will skyrocket in no time. Being two to hold and take sites really helps.

Other than that, if you hyper-carry (as mentionned before) it really goes fast. My second account got knocked back in gold nova something from LE I think, and my main being Global atm, I was absolutely crushing those poor guys with 40+ kills games. If anything it's funny for me and really unfair for them, but I can't really do anything about it since I need to rank back up.


The bigger problem with rank decay in my opinion is that it hurts us casuals. I only have time to play a game a day (some days none), yet I'm not ranking up with 70-80% winratio (and bunch of MVPs every round) just because the game doesn't think I play often enough to warrant it.
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
March 23 2016 16:43 GMT
#1047
So I just got repromoted to DMG and then I queued for another game, playing 15:15. Turns our one of my opponents was silver 2 and the other one was silver 3. They had regular stats. Now I am no wizard but that looked like smurfs to me. I dont even know how they got into the game because we had 5 dmg and the other team had 3 dmg and them. What the actual fuck. This is bullshit.
Where is my ACE flair
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
March 23 2016 16:51 GMT
#1048
On March 24 2016 01:23 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 00:54 Roggay wrote:
On March 23 2016 23:12 HugoBallzak wrote:
Yeah its really dumb, especially because even someone as rusty as me when it comes to movement and aim can still be effective in higher ranks just based on smart play while I get my gun skills back. I don't know why valve would think that just because a player hasn't played in a couple years that they would completely forget how to play cs and have to start at the same level a complete cs noob has to.

Afaik the reasoning behind the rank decay has more to do with avoiding people from getting carried to a rank and then sitting on it forever (I think you need a win to refresh the inactive cooldown, but I could be wrong). They want to avoid having a large pool of inactive globals.

It's a bit annoying yea, but at the same time if you play a lot you will get your rank back by just carrying. If you want to speed this up you should really duo-queue with someone of your level and your rank will skyrocket in no time. Being two to hold and take sites really helps.

Other than that, if you hyper-carry (as mentionned before) it really goes fast. My second account got knocked back in gold nova something from LE I think, and my main being Global atm, I was absolutely crushing those poor guys with 40+ kills games. If anything it's funny for me and really unfair for them, but I can't really do anything about it since I need to rank back up.


The bigger problem with rank decay in my opinion is that it hurts us casuals. I only have time to play a game a day (some days none), yet I'm not ranking up with 70-80% winratio (and bunch of MVPs every round) just because the game doesn't think I play often enough to warrant it.



Yeah the reason I took so long off from this game is because it drives me crazy with all its buginess and that it takes too much time to play when I have plenty of real life obligations to tend to. That's why I am pretty pissed. I just don't feel like I have the time to try and rank up to a decent level where my teammates actually know how to play. Sure I can grind it out and try to "hyper-carry" but I simply don't belong in this low of a level and the game should know that based on my previous ranking and stats. I am not asking to be dmg again, I just want to play with people who know how to play. Not people whose idea of fun is how annoying and edgy they cane be to their teammates.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8260 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-23 17:13:12
March 23 2016 17:10 GMT
#1049
On March 24 2016 01:43 Tufas wrote:
So I just got repromoted to DMG and then I queued for another game, playing 15:15. Turns our one of my opponents was silver 2 and the other one was silver 3. They had regular stats. Now I am no wizard but that looked like smurfs to me. I dont even know how they got into the game because we had 5 dmg and the other team had 3 dmg and them. What the actual fuck. This is bullshit.


mmr and rank are separated. There's a good chance the game is using a uncertainty factor to dictate how they rank up. If someone creates a new account and start winning a lot, the uncertainty variable will increase and they wont actually start ranking up until they start losing again. This is to stop people from ranking up and down too quickly just from having a lucky or unlucky streak. While we don't actually know if cs:go has this, it's likely seeing as other games with similar systems (sc2 for instance) uses it.

That coupled with the fact that queuing as a 5-stack you are likely going to meet people who are similar rank as the best one on your team (it does not take average mmr. Presumably, again we don't know, your team mmr is calculated from the one with the highest, and subtracted a little bit depending on how far away the other are) (you can meet 5 stacks while soloquing in cs:go btw, but most likely the other 4 on your team is also a premade).

So it's entirely possible to face opponents who are similar rank as you and who are queued up with silvers
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 23 2016 19:15 GMT
#1050
On March 23 2016 22:03 HugoBallzak wrote:
I just started playing again after taking a couple years off. I had to start from 0 experience points and rank up to level 3 before playing matchmaking. I used to be dmg but got placed in gold nova. I immediately got dropped to silver after losing 5 in a row. I am pretty sure it is impossible to rank up at this level as a solo q. I get the absolute worst teammates. People just force buy and push everywhere. People who don't know to walk. Players who just teamflash at the start of every match. Multiple players with 200 pings who don't speak English. I end up pulling like 20+ frags while losing 16-4 almost every time. Had this little kid yesterday who was like waiting for the enemy to turn the corner he was holding in a 1v1 just give himself away by making random footsteps. Dude turns the corner and prefires him. I tell him that he should be quiet in those situations to get the jump on the guy and hes like, "Yeah im sure a rank 3 would know better than me."

Even when I win it isn't fun because I still have these terrible teammates and the other team is just worse. Really dumb that valve completely reset my account despite having 600+ hours on record, a "5 year veteran coin", and having been a steady dmg last time I played regularly.

You can rank up playing soloQ just fine. But you won't rank up playing as a soloQQ. If you are as good as you think you are, it'll be no problem to rank up quickly. Sure, you have to accept that this is a team game and a lot of factors are involved where you can't directly influence the game itself, but that is true of any rank.
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
March 23 2016 19:28 GMT
#1051
Its not about thinking i'm good its about knowing I don't belong with the types of players I mentioned earlier having actually been ranked higher and matched/performed with better players in the past. Like I said, It sucks that valve basically assumes I forgot how to play cs because I haven't played in a couple years. I actually had to gain experience points to even be allowed to play matchmaking. How does that make sense for an account that has been ranked dmg before? "Oh here's a 5 year veteran coin btw your a noob kthx." None of the people I used to play with seem to play anymore so I am stuck loading up by myself. There really is no reason that they should have blanket reset every account when they did the mmr update. I would have been fine with getting deranked to start but all the way into silver? Just a complete waste of time after having already wasted my time earning exp in shit game modes.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
March 23 2016 19:31 GMT
#1052
I happen to have a windows phone... GG

I have to do this to you because I can't do it where I want to (on a job application!)
On March 12 2016 06:24 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2016 06:05 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
So we're all forced to use the stupid Steam authenticator app now to use the marketplace at all? WTF. I just want to sell a 30 cent Wildfire case ffs. First I get a verification email then the listing's on hold for 15 days because I don't use the goddamn app. My phone is borked atm and I can't use the stupid app!!


Same for me. I dont want the app on my phone, just for the sake of not wanting it. Now I cannot sell ~1$ and lower skins anymore. 15 days hold till it is listed, the prize changes, either you get too less or you cannot sell it.

For me, I just give all my uslessdrops a friend, he likes to gamble with 1 cent skins and as over 1000 cases in his inventory as "investment". He is happy with em.

priCe, C = Cost
priZe, Z = you win Zero :D

Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
March 24 2016 12:07 GMT
#1053
On March 24 2016 04:31 y0su wrote:
I happen to have a windows phone... GG

I have to do this to you because I can't do it where I want to (on a job application!)
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2016 06:24 Clonester wrote:
On March 12 2016 06:05 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
So we're all forced to use the stupid Steam authenticator app now to use the marketplace at all? WTF. I just want to sell a 30 cent Wildfire case ffs. First I get a verification email then the listing's on hold for 15 days because I don't use the goddamn app. My phone is borked atm and I can't use the stupid app!!


Same for me. I dont want the app on my phone, just for the sake of not wanting it. Now I cannot sell ~1$ and lower skins anymore. 15 days hold till it is listed, the prize changes, either you get too less or you cannot sell it.

For me, I just give all my uslessdrops a friend, he likes to gamble with 1 cent skins and as over 1000 cases in his inventory as "investment". He is happy with em.

priCe, C = Cost
priZe, Z = you win Zero :D



Whatever makes you happy
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cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
March 25 2016 22:05 GMT
#1054
I don't know if it's the timing of the last sale or just a result of going up in ranks (recently hit supreme) but I've played about 20 games in a row now with smurfs/boosters and it renders matchmaking a broken, unfair, un-fun mess. The people I was playing with have basically quit the game because of it and I'm on the verge of doing the same.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
March 26 2016 01:31 GMT
#1055
this games rly fun guys

so

fun

after

recalibration

?????????????
ffxiv enjoyer
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8260 Posts
March 26 2016 08:02 GMT
#1056
On March 26 2016 10:31 Stancel wrote:
this games rly fun guys

so

fun

after

recalibration

?????????????


What does the recalibration have to do with it? Not saying it doesn't suck to go down in ranks, but your mmr is still the same, so whoever you face in the game is the same as it would have been before.
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
March 26 2016 12:53 GMT
#1057
On March 26 2016 10:31 Stancel wrote:
this games rly fun guys

so

fun

after

recalibration

?????????????


I was LE and just got back to DMG. Only one more rank to climb back !
Where is my ACE flair
Jan1997
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Norway671 Posts
March 26 2016 15:07 GMT
#1058
Still waiting for my 7 day ban to wear off after I TK'ed some dude for being miserable. Gold Nova is pretty bad player wise. Faggots all around laughing at their mistakes instead of trying to win. At least I have dota 2.
Do something today that your future self will be thankful for.
porkRaven
Profile Joined December 2010
United States953 Posts
March 26 2016 16:41 GMT
#1059
You sound like you're exactly what matchmaking needs.
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MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
March 27 2016 02:18 GMT
#1060
On March 23 2016 23:12 HugoBallzak wrote:
Yeah its really dumb, especially because even someone as rusty as me when it comes to movement and aim can still be effective in higher ranks just based on smart play while I get my gun skills back. I don't know why valve would think that just because a player hasn't played in a couple years that they would completely forget how to play cs and have to start at the same level a complete cs noob has to.


I find the easiest way to fix this. Is whenever you play a game, and someone on your team has common sense, send them a friend request. You don't have to play with them forever, just until you get to the point where you don't have retarded teamates. If you top fragged as well send an invite to the top fragger on their team. You can't control all your teammates but you can do your best to have as few of them as possible.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
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