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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 09 2015 13:01 GMT
#181
Camping is like literally the default strategy of one of the sides in this game. :<

And a lot of things reduce the strength of it: peeker's advantage, molotovs, grenades, smokes...
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
December 09 2015 13:05 GMT
#182
To me it feels like the devs played too much overwatch lately and they saw that "high noon" guy and thought it was pretty cool. To me that guns belongs to TF2 or overwatch, not cs, atleast not in its current form.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 09 2015 13:13 GMT
#183
It definitely has nothing to do in CS.

I'm all for a new weapon that is balanced (even if not perfectly at the start, like the CZ), and that fills a very specific role, has a very specific purpose or gameplay.

This has none of them. It's unbalanced as shit, it's basically an AWP and a pistol mixed.
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CrimeCat
Profile Joined September 2015
Germany43 Posts
December 09 2015 13:17 GMT
#184
I like dangerous eco rounds. Maybe they wanted an anti-awp-hold-middle-pistol? Remove alt-fire, 2nd mag and moving/jumping accuracy? Can this thing work?

Or just make the deagle good again?^^

Well, the nerf to moving with pistols is a good thing at least .
"Everyone whose first name begins with an L who isn't hispanic, walk in a circle the same number of times as the square root of your age times teeenn!"
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
December 09 2015 13:28 GMT
#185
On December 09 2015 22:17 CrimeCat wrote:
I like dangerous eco rounds. Maybe they wanted an anti-awp-hold-middle-pistol? Remove alt-fire, 2nd mag and moving/jumping accuracy? Can this thing work?

Or just make the deagle good again?^^

Well, the nerf to moving with pistols is a good thing at least .

To be honest, the deagle is not bad, it is just hard to use. We see it being used more and more in pro games (actually quite a lot depending on the team).

Also, you should not be able to counter an awp with a 850$ gun. Well, you should not be able to counter an awp with any gun to begin with. You counter an awp with smokes, flashes and teamplay.
The biggest problem I see with this gun is that it is godly close and midrange, let alone the fact that it is decent long range.

Also, the main complain people had with eco rounds is not that they are dangerous but that they are too random with people being able to run and gun with cheap pistols, so yes it is definitly a good thing that they addressed that.
CrimeCat
Profile Joined September 2015
Germany43 Posts
December 09 2015 13:39 GMT
#186
On December 09 2015 22:28 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 22:17 CrimeCat wrote:
I like dangerous eco rounds. Maybe they wanted an anti-awp-hold-middle-pistol? Remove alt-fire, 2nd mag and moving/jumping accuracy? Can this thing work?

Or just make the deagle good again?^^

Well, the nerf to moving with pistols is a good thing at least .

To be honest, the deagle is not bad, it is just hard to use. We see it being used more and more in pro games (actually quite a lot depending on the team).



You're right about the deagle, I meant that this gun should "feel" more like the R8. I think the hard-to-use-aspect comes from the rng part of its spray instead of its handling, which is sad.

I just don't think Valve is going to remove a gun with skins already sold, so how is it possible to make the revolver work?
"Everyone whose first name begins with an L who isn't hispanic, walk in a circle the same number of times as the square root of your age times teeenn!"
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19086 Posts
December 09 2015 14:00 GMT
#187


lol
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 14:05:43
December 09 2015 14:05 GMT
#188
Holy crap, this is so retarded.
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 09 2015 14:25 GMT
#189
On December 09 2015 21:25 Yrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 21:08 iXphobos wrote:
Oh and there's a nice bug now. You can ALT TAB infront of a smoke and when you reenter the game the smoke is gone. xD

lol, this explains quite something.

edit: Yeah it works. you dont see the smoke anymore as long as you dont enter it.


how do we report this to valve? This will get you instant overwatch banned
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 15:12:10
December 09 2015 14:37 GMT
#190
edit wrong thread lol
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fomal
Profile Joined January 2014
Estonia20 Posts
December 09 2015 14:41 GMT
#191
im not sure if i want to play competitive right now, the revolver just seems too clowny :E
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
December 09 2015 14:44 GMT
#192
On December 09 2015 23:37 Nagisama wrote:
YES! i threw enough monies at DW! All waifus obtained!!! \o/


now to go eat...... nothing for awhile T.T
+ Show Spoiler +
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[image loading]

Not sure wth I am looking at but okay.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 09 2015 14:49 GMT
#193
Now this is even more lovely

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3w2sm0/if_revolver_is_not_enough_let_me_tell_you_about/
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 09 2015 14:52 GMT
#194
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
December 09 2015 14:53 GMT
#195
You can bug the r8 out so you could primary shoot without the delay.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 09 2015 15:02 GMT
#196
ok as long as this weapon is in the game (in its current state) i won't play it anymore.
This simply is way too retarded
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
December 09 2015 15:03 GMT
#197
The more important issue here is this :
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3w1c5n/the_changes_to_recoverytime_for_the_akm4_is_a/

They nerfed all form of shooting with rifles making them even more random.
The r8 will be nerfed eventually, but they fucked up the rifles and this is being completely ignored by the community because how ridiculous the r8 is at the moment.
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
December 09 2015 15:12 GMT
#198
On December 09 2015 23:44 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 23:37 Nagisama wrote:
YES! i threw enough monies at DW! All waifus obtained!!! \o/


now to go eat...... nothing for awhile T.T
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading]

Not sure wth I am looking at but okay.

wrong thread lol
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 09 2015 15:13 GMT
#199
On December 09 2015 21:22 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 21:19 Kipsate wrote:
On December 09 2015 21:04 Luolis wrote:
On December 09 2015 20:47 Ragnarork wrote:
i just dont see any reason to switch game mechanics that have been there for 10 years or so


That's not an argument per se. It's not because it's been there for a long time that it shouldn't be changed. It's a random and dumb "traditionalist" argument. There are reasons some things are the way they are. Not looking at these reasons and thinking about the whys and if it should be set in stone is completely dumb.

That doesn't mean the changes have to be completely random or poorly thought either. About the retakes, I find it more interesting that you have more opportunity to do it. That's debatable, but that means more such scenarios, and I like it.

Defuse kits are a good point to mention though, that may need some further tweaking.

We clearly know the old times work. I do not see a point in switching something that works. By the same logic of "making things more interesting", should we increase the size of football goals, or make the field smaller so theres more opportunities to score goals, since its "interesting". I dont understand why people would want to change something that quite obviously works on a fundamental level.

Uhm yeah, they change rules in sports too, the reason why you don't change things in traditional sports too is because its bounded by physical stuff and the worldwide availability makes it super hard to actually change stuff. IIRC they changed something about Ice hockey not too long ago. In CSGO you can change code that translates into changing everything so its significantly easier to implement. The accurate comparison is with other video games, and they sure as hell change fundemental stuff in Dota, League and other video games.

Just because its good doesn't mean it can't work better.

Yes they have changed things, but not huge fundamental things. I understand small balance/design tweaks like what you could explore with smokes and all sorts of stuff like that. Im simply not in favor of switching something that obviously is good to something that might, or might not be good. (guess why i stopped playing starcraft after lotv came out)

edit: i also agree 100% on what rogg wrote above this

Actually LoL and DotA have changed huge fundamental things on the level of round/bomb timers on multiple occasions. Camps have been moved around, creep rewards have been reworked, objective rewards have changed, rubber band mechanics were introduced, and even the position creeps meet at was changed. CS is by far a more static game, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but there is definitely no reason to dismiss any change to the game simply because it is a change.

I think retakes are more exciting and engaging as both a player and a spectator, so this change is actually positive in my eyes. I also think smokes were too strong, so there's another benefit. I see little downside. Kits will still be important, just as 5 seconds added to the bomb timer base is important. Will CS play slightly differently in these situations now? Sure. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily.
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 15:16:09
December 09 2015 15:15 GMT
#200
well, to be fair im 100% sure R8 will be nerfed but the problem is that they obviously wont de-nerf rifles

gr8 b8 m8

imagine nV using the r8 rofl.
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