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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
 For anyone who is streamer/competitive minded it's a REALLY big and unfair advantage/headstart that people who are in have over everyone else. Especially from the streaming point of view it's practically impossible to catch up now | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On November 14 2015 00:19 BrTarolg wrote: Sad about the beta lottery For anyone who is streamer/competitive minded it's a REALLY big and unfair advantage/headstart that people who are in have over everyone else. Especially from the streaming point of view it's practically impossible to catch up now if you have an entertaining streaming personality, then you'll build up a viewer base if you don't have an entertaining streaming personality, then you won't build up a viewer base no matter the game you play | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22474 Posts
On November 14 2015 00:19 BrTarolg wrote: Sad about the beta lottery For anyone who is streamer/competitive minded it's a REALLY big and unfair advantage/headstart that people who are in have over everyone else. Especially from the streaming point of view it's practically impossible to catch up now As a competitive player its not that big of a deal. aim is #1 and you can practice that in a lot of situations, you dont need to be in overwatch beta for it. Game specific mechanics you are a little behind but the ceiling isnt that insane that you will never catch up. As a streamer? Unless your big already your playing a lottery anyway. Either you will go big in the game and bring in viewers from that or your playing the 'be the first to stream new game X' and then you missed the boat and should have moved to game Y weeks ago. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On November 14 2015 00:26 udgnim wrote: if you have an entertaining streaming personality, then you'll build up a viewer base if you don't have an entertaining streaming personality, then you won't build up a viewer base no matter the game you play Well being born rich tends to make people wealthier in their adult life even if technically you should be able to work your way up from nothing. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 14 2015 00:19 BrTarolg wrote: Sad about the beta lottery For anyone who is streamer/competitive minded it's a REALLY big and unfair advantage/headstart that people who are in have over everyone else. Especially from the streaming point of view it's practically impossible to catch up now The beta isn't designed to be fair. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 14 2015 00:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote: He knows that. He's saying that he is sad about it. I don't think it is that huge tbh. It's just an easy excuse for shitty streamers/players for the most part | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On November 14 2015 01:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't think it is that huge tbh. It's just an easy excuse for shitty streamers/players for the most part Not really.. since pretty much the top streamers for every game, tend to the be the streamers that got established as streamers of that game, very early in its existence. And from a competitive standpoint...its kind of a joke, that some people will have 6 months+ practise more than anyone else. Its a pretty big deal in both. Several streamers have gone from nobodies, to pulling 1-5k viewers thanks to Overwatch, who otherwise never broke a couple hundred previously. It sucks, but complaining about it cant change anything about it..but it still sucks for certain people. IMO the saddest aspect of it... is every Blizzcon has always included some sort of Beta key for their new games for the people who attend, but this year is the first time they didnt give a beta key to attendees (that i remember), instead giving em to streamers and youtube personalities, which is kinda lame. They should be rewarding the blizzcon attendees/dedicated fans rather than people who generally dont even give a shit about blizzard titles, unless they are the new game on the block. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Most people complaining about this wouldn't have any audience either way, cause they simply suck at streaming. If you are good at what you are doing i think it's still very much possible to get decently big. Same for the competition. The mechanical part is mostly standard shooter stuff, so all you have to catch up to is the meta, which can be done pretty fast if you are mechanically good. I don't think it's that big of a deal. As i said, for the most part (there are exceptions obviously) Several streamers have gone from nobodies, to pulling 1-5k viewers thanks to Overwatch Can you name a few? | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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Dizmaul
United States831 Posts
On November 14 2015 01:15 MaestroSC wrote: Not really.. since pretty much the top streamers for every game, tend to the be the streamers that got established as streamers of that game, very early in its existence. And from a competitive standpoint...its kind of a joke, that some people will have 6 months+ practise more than anyone else. Its a pretty big deal in both. Several streamers have gone from nobodies, to pulling 1-5k viewers thanks to Overwatch, who otherwise never broke a couple hundred previously. It sucks, but complaining about it cant change anything about it..but it still sucks for certain people. IMO the saddest aspect of it... is every Blizzcon has always included some sort of Beta key for their new games for the people who attend, but this year is the first time they didnt give a beta key to attendees (that i remember), instead giving em to streamers and youtube personalities, which is kinda lame. They should be rewarding the blizzcon attendees/dedicated fans rather than people who generally dont even give a shit about blizzard titles, unless they are the new game on the block. I went to Blizzcon 09 thinking I would get a sc2 beta key.... I was pissed hah. So not the first Blizzcon with no beta keys. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On November 14 2015 01:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well i said for the most part. Big streamers are big because they are good streamers. Being the first obviously helps, but it won't get you anywhere if you are boring. Most people complaining about this wouldn't have any audience either way, cause they simply suck at streaming. If you are good at what you are doing i think it's still very much possible to get decently big. Same for the competition. The mechanical part is mostly standard shooter stuff, so all you have to catch up to is the meta, which can be done pretty fast if you are mechanically good. I don't think it's that big of a deal. As i said, for the most part (there are exceptions obviously) Can you name a few? two biggest dedicated OW streamers have been Seagull & Ster Seagull deserves the #s he gets it looks like Ster already had an established stream prior to OW, but OW helped boost his #s beyond what he was pulling prior to OW other than Seagull most of the high OW stream channels appear to have already been an established stream before OW | ||
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iXphobos
Germany1465 Posts
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Donger
United States147 Posts
On November 14 2015 01:15 MaestroSC wrote: Not really.. since pretty much the top streamers for every game, tend to the be the streamers that got established as streamers of that game, very early in its existence. And from a competitive standpoint...its kind of a joke, that some people will have 6 months+ practise more than anyone else. Its a pretty big deal in both. Several streamers have gone from nobodies, to pulling 1-5k viewers thanks to Overwatch, who otherwise never broke a couple hundred previously. It sucks, but complaining about it cant change anything about it..but it still sucks for certain people. IMO the saddest aspect of it... is every Blizzcon has always included some sort of Beta key for their new games for the people who attend, but this year is the first time they didnt give a beta key to attendees (that i remember), instead giving em to streamers and youtube personalities, which is kinda lame. They should be rewarding the blizzcon attendees/dedicated fans rather than people who generally dont even give a shit about blizzard titles, unless they are the new game on the block. I've been to the last 4 Blizzcon and there have been no keys given at any of them. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12248 Posts
On November 14 2015 02:02 Donger wrote: I've been to the last 4 Blizzcon and there have been no keys given at any of them. They gave out SC2 beta keys at Blizzcon... 07 I believe? And Burning Crusade betas in Blizzcon 05. You missed out on the good ones :< | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
-Heard the price is going to be 40$, will there be DLC or cosmetic payables besides the price tag? -Any news of south american servers? 200+ ping on diablo3 was underwhelming, not possible for FPS -Release date tease? -Single player? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22474 Posts
-there are 2 prices. 40 for the base game on pc and 60 for the game + extra's (skins ect, including for other blizz games). Consoles only have the 60 price. Also a collections edition available. -No release date -no idea on server location | ||
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itsMAHVELbaybee
292 Posts
On November 14 2015 00:33 Gorsameth wrote: As a competitive player its not that big of a deal. aim is #1 and you can practice that in a lot of situations, you dont need to be in overwatch beta for it. Game specific mechanics you are a little behind but the ceiling isnt that insane that you will never catch up. As a streamer? Unless your big already your playing a lottery anyway. Either you will go big in the game and bring in viewers from that or your playing the 'be the first to stream new game X' and then you missed the boat and should have moved to game Y weeks ago. A game where there are more than 15+ characters, with different weaknesses, and different maps. Yeah sure you should be able to catch up no problem. You and your "team" should be able to crank out your chemistry and strategy in no time. Taking on people who've been on the game for 5-6 months already shouldn't be TOO big of a disparity right? Like just practice Quake or UT and get your aim super super godly until your beta invite kicks in sometime before spring. | ||
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