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Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
November 02 2015 17:17 GMT
#1221
On November 03 2015 01:45 Kipsate wrote:
Gambling increased it esp for smaller tournies, games and even teams. But skins is what did it in general due to the vast amount of people playing csgo.

I enjoy csgo a lot and seeing fpv of people headshotting or going massive 1v2 or 1v3 still gets me hyped as well. I rarely miss anything in CSGO as a spectator admittedly partially because i play it but I also think its because the game with its round based and tactical gameplay is slow enough to see. As I stated before I worry a little about Overwatch because the gameplay is so fast, COD is just terrible to watch for me when they play domination/HQ.

However Halo was also pretty fast and a large amount of people enjoyed watching that even though I never did so I am not so sure

Because Halo is super popular on consoles where rarely any good FPS can be played.
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
November 02 2015 17:55 GMT
#1222
In the end I suspect pretty much anything that is played will also be watched. HS doesn't seem like a terribly exciting spectator sport on paper, for example. I'm sure there's some benefit to being easy to understand and follow but if it was a major factor we'd have different games as the top esport titles right now.
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
November 02 2015 18:06 GMT
#1223
If Blizzard are smart they'll make the best spectator client we've seen to date for this game. Making it easy for even smaller organizations/teams of people to put out really high quality productions without having to break the bank, will only make their game appear better than the competition.

Things like instant replays, use of multiple screens to select observer camera/replays, auto observer mode, are the ones I can think of at the top of my head.
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 02 2015 18:23 GMT
#1224
Well will they do more game modes? Without knowing what Blizz will do with the game its kinda hard to know what will happen competetively.
Off-season = best season
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-02 18:30:56
November 02 2015 18:30 GMT
#1225
On November 03 2015 03:06 salle wrote:
If Blizzard are smart they'll make the best spectator client we've seen to date for this game. Making it easy for even smaller organizations/teams of people to put out really high quality productions without having to break the bank, will only make their game appear better than the competition.

Things like instant replays, use of multiple screens to select observer camera/replays, auto observer mode, are the ones I can think of at the top of my head.


Their current one is the worst, it doesn't even have first person observing. I imagine they do have plans to fix that and ffering replay features for obsing would make sense. They already make use of that kind of functionality heavily when playing the game.
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-02 18:47:17
November 02 2015 18:43 GMT
#1226
Overwatch games can be confusing due to limited vision and information, lightshows and fast pace and movement.

They should implement what salle said, but also a nice overlay and minimap to give information for viewers. The viewers should see more than the players do. The observer could toggle something like the sniper ult for one or both teams (defense or offense) visions when zoomed out. Also, some easy way to tell the teams appart.

Without this stuff it looks like a huge mess, or what it curent looks like. You see the individual plays of the streamer and suddenly victory or defeat pops. Its loses a lot of meaning and its hard to tell the cooperative tactics in the game. Losing that is a big deal since individual movement and accuracy is better in other FPS games.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 02 2015 20:20 GMT
#1227
they basically just need to steal the CS one and give it Blizzard polishing.

Really have no issue watching streamers in overwatch. But I did watch CS before they even used a minimap and they just tabbed through the players to see if something interesting was happening.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
November 02 2015 20:52 GMT
#1228
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
November 02 2015 21:53 GMT
#1229
On November 03 2015 02:55 nighcol wrote:
In the end I suspect pretty much anything that is played will also be watched. HS doesn't seem like a terribly exciting spectator sport on paper, for example. I'm sure there's some benefit to being easy to understand and follow but if it was a major factor we'd have different games as the top esport titles right now.


And HS is also mostly a streamer-thing.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 02 2015 22:26 GMT
#1230
On November 03 2015 05:52 udgnim wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPDsgg9n40

That is pretty great. Glad to see someone finally dug deep into the wall running.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21945 Posts
November 02 2015 22:31 GMT
#1231
On November 03 2015 03:30 nighcol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 03:06 salle wrote:
If Blizzard are smart they'll make the best spectator client we've seen to date for this game. Making it easy for even smaller organizations/teams of people to put out really high quality productions without having to break the bank, will only make their game appear better than the competition.

Things like instant replays, use of multiple screens to select observer camera/replays, auto observer mode, are the ones I can think of at the top of my head.


Their current one is the worst, it doesn't even have first person observing. I imagine they do have plans to fix that and ffering replay features for obsing would make sense. They already make use of that kind of functionality heavily when playing the game.

From what I have heard they current have a hacked in getto observer function. I imagine a proper observer mode is introduced some time during the Beta.

However if you look at HotS I'm not entirely confident. Mostly I think its important if Blizzard is working with the intent to make it an esports viable game from the start (and as such including proper spec mode) or if it is slapped on top as an afterthought (like in HotS. The fact that they use an out of game pick/ban client for Blizzcon is hilariously bad).
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
November 02 2015 22:45 GMT
#1232
On November 03 2015 02:55 nighcol wrote:
In the end I suspect pretty much anything that is played will also be watched. HS doesn't seem like a terribly exciting spectator sport on paper, for example. I'm sure there's some benefit to being easy to understand and follow but if it was a major factor we'd have different games as the top esport titles right now.

Hearthstone is great at suspense. the RNG of the game as well as the top decks makes it always nerve wracking to watch when amazing shit happens.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
November 03 2015 00:40 GMT
#1233
Seems like there is actually FPV observing and AskJoshy is currently casting using it, I guess Khaldor didn't find it or it didn't work for him since I was going by what he said in my earlier comment.
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-03 03:05:35
November 03 2015 03:03 GMT
#1234
New hero being teased. It's just this page for now:

http://us.battle.net/overwatch/en/blog/19942649

Notable entries:

"...but I had a few more things I wanted to try out with my endothermic diffuser. (Note to self: come up with a less science-y name.) I came upon a part of the trail that was impassable and that would have required me to take a big detour. But not today! I just built my own walkway with the diffuser and went right across it. It's going to be a great help in the mountains—I know it!"

So she is apparently able to make her own paths to cross terrain. A support hero who can open up the rest of the map for her team somehow by creating pathways to higher ledges for other heroes?

"(my arm still hurts from being frozen solid a few days ago… so embarrassing!), and everything is in good working order. Look on the bright side: now that I've tested the equipment on myself, I'm not worried about using it on all the cute animals I want to study!"

Support.

Reddit also seems to think she may be the character in the bottom right of this picture since it appears to be some kind of climbing suit that includes an ice pick and a weapon that looks science-y enough to be an "endothermic diffuser".

Still, she's a female snow/cold based hero that uses endothermic tools to make things cold and create frozen pathways that she can walk on.

So, you know, Elsa.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 03 2015 03:40 GMT
#1235
So much hype for announcements at Blizzcon this weekend. HYPE.
It's your boy Guzma!
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-03 04:00:18
November 03 2015 03:52 GMT
#1236
Top player scrims happening right now.

http://www.twitch.tv/clockwork
http://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull
& more
http://multistre.am/clockwork/a_seagull/layout3/ for multi

vs

http://www.twitch.tv/talespinlol
http://www.twitch.tv/coolmatt69
& more
http://multistre.am/talespinlol/coolmatt69/layout3/ for multi

Edit: Holy shit Talespin got pretty good with Tracer.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
November 03 2015 05:15 GMT
#1237
On November 03 2015 07:26 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 05:52 udgnim wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPDsgg9n40

That is pretty great. Glad to see someone finally dug deep into the wall running.


wow nice!
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
November 03 2015 06:25 GMT
#1238
as a somebody who never received early beta key from blizzard im getting more and more annoyed
Aylear
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Norway3988 Posts
November 03 2015 09:01 GMT
#1239
http://www.overpwn.com/news/89-never-before-seen-datamined-hero-sprays-potential

Datamined hero sprays present in Overwatch files. Couple of curiosities in there.
TL+ Member
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
November 03 2015 10:00 GMT
#1240
On November 03 2015 15:25 kongoline wrote:
as a somebody who never received early beta key from blizzard im getting more and more annoyed


They announced seven million are in the pool for beta. Don't feel bad, the odds are against you, and have always been against you. Me too. =(
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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