EPTNot sure if that would be the case if both teams would be somewhat experienced, but atm it isn't really all that interesting in that aspect.
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Not sure if that would be the case if both teams would be somewhat experienced, but atm it isn't really all that interesting in that aspect. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2015 22:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: The only thing i really don't like atm is that it at least seems like the rounds are over way too fast. Not sure if that would be the case if both teams would be somewhat experienced, but atm it isn't really all that interesting in that aspect. I like the speed of the rounds. They get through the full push and pull of a good match, but never feel like a grind to watch(or play from my viewing). I also think it encourages people to use their ults and abilities more. Rather than waiting for everyone's to be up, going and then waiting again. The way overtime works makes for some really exciting finishes. And they can build maps with longer rounds in mind. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On October 29 2015 22:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: The only thing i really don't like atm is that it at least seems like the rounds are over way too fast. Not sure if that would be the case if both teams would be somewhat experienced, but atm it isn't really all that interesting in that aspect. we'll see how things played out. right now, if a more skilled / experienced team goes up against a lesser skilled / experienced team, then it'll probably be a stomp and be over in a few minutes assuming Overwatch is able to maintain a high population so that MMR match raking works effectively, then the round length issue might just get fixed through proper match making | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 29 2015 22:50 udgnim wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqQi9dOM8E we'll see how things played out. right now, if a more skilled / experienced team goes up against a lesser skilled / experienced team, then it'll probably be a stomp and be over in a few minutes assuming Overwatch is able to maintain a high population so that MMR match raking works effectively, then the round length issue might just get fixed through proper match making Yeah i thought about this too, i guess it really is the lack of matchmaking atm, but it's hard to tell from only watching (blizzard, pls give me a beta key  ) | ||
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Hider
Denmark9391 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Will they have a hidden Elo system in all public games? Seems to be the way its done nowadays sadly. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 29 2015 22:58 Hider wrote: Something like 10-13 minute average between two evenly matched teams seems pretty fine for me. The game is very fast-paced with almost constant action so I don't think gamelenght has to be longer than that. Hm yeah maybe, personally i like it a bit longer than that though :D | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
The dream is to have something like the Forge in Halo or Source in Counterstrike so that you can make your own maps too but I highly doubt Blizzard will allow that(surfing with Tracer anyone?). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2015 22:59 Redox wrote: Matchmaking is the other big open question. Will they have a hidden Elo system in all public games? Seems to be the way its done nowadays sadly. God I hope so. The MMR, ELO dick waving is the worst part of competitive games. I like the ladder in HotS, where there are seasons and its just about competing against those who want to compete. But visible MMR/ELO is fucking worthless. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Yurie
11858 Posts
On October 29 2015 23:16 Kipsate wrote: The ''proven'' model is that of leagues and divisions, giving people some feeling of improvement but not a specific one, at the very least for ranked. I imagine they are going to have a ranked and unranked system similairly to their other games. So leagues but the actual MMR/ELO count is hidden. Dota has shown ELO in ranked play. No resets. The top list is just top 200 though, so you don't know exactly how you do unless you frequent forums/chat channels etc to find out what mmr is good/bad outside of that. | ||
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dashiz
Costa Rica193 Posts
There are some stupid turrets that auto Aim instantly and when they place it on the capture point is pretty much retarded for the attacking team to break that siege. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2015 23:21 Yurie wrote: Dota has shown ELO in ranked play. No resets. The top list is just top 200 though, so you don't know exactly how you do unless you frequent forums/chat channels etc to find out what mmr is good/bad outside of that. You do it like league, SC2 and Hearthstone and have seasons with hidden MMR ranking. The Dota system isn't perfect and ranked match making really cut into a lot of the other game types. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Personally I think Dota's system is fine too but I think League/HOTS/Hearthstone system is also fine and a lot more people like that I believe. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On October 29 2015 11:08 Skwid1g wrote: It's not anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it's just factually not pay to win. The #1 rated players on most servers have very little of the content unlocked because it matters very little. I'm of the exact opposite opinion and most people I know are, I'd rather have access to the game to see whether it's worth putting the money down or grinding is much preferable to dropping a bunch of money on the game and realizing it's garbage like what happened with CS:GO. You can say you don't like it but stating things that are simply untrue without any factual basis is just silly. Sorry but it is factually anti-competitive. It puts you at an inherent disadvantage in terms of competing. Someone with all the options open is ALWAYS going to be in a better position than someone without all of the options in a game. The only reason it manages to avoid being pay to win outright (hence the 'borderline' qualifier) is that it dances around the whole "sidegrade" thing of characters on the whole being 'different but equivalent' rather than certain characters being direct upgrades to others. I appreciate you like LoL. And I kinda like the gameplay of it too. But its got the most exploitative and anti-competitive business model in the entire industry by locking things that give a gameplay advantage behind a paywall/grind-wall. And its propagating that model (see Heroes of the Storm) which is a very, very bad thing from a consumer perspective. On October 29 2015 19:39 Kipsate wrote: That means that the model is probably just going to be cosmetics, alternate voices/announcers like Dota(which is awesome). Or is there still vagueness about what kind of payment model it is going to be? I've not watched any Overwatch yet, I've been trying to hold off until I get access to experience it myself. Is there an announcer? Announcer voice packs are awesome. I use the Bastion one in DOTA2 and I've never even completed Bastion, but that voice is just amazing. | ||
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Yurie
11858 Posts
On October 29 2015 11:08 Skwid1g wrote: It's not anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it's just factually not pay to win. The #1 rated players on most servers have very little of the content unlocked because it matters very little. I'm of the exact opposite opinion and most people I know are, I'd rather have access to the game to see whether it's worth putting the money down or grinding is much preferable to dropping a bunch of money on the game and realizing it's garbage like what happened with CS:GO. You can say you don't like it but stating things that are simply untrue without any factual basis is just silly. How is CS:GO garbage? It is a good game that I don't happen to like. I think in most ways to measure it will show itself to be a good game. LoL is anti consumer, I quit it due to how long it takes to unlock stuff. Normal for me in a Dota clone game is that I start with one hero, play it ~100 games. Then start branching out when I know the mechanics. After 5 days my chosen hero was out of the weekly pool and I stopped playing. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21717 Posts
On October 29 2015 22:59 Redox wrote: Matchmaking is the other big open question. Will they have a hidden Elo system in all public games? Seems to be the way its done nowadays sadly. What do you mean sadly? That it is hidden or that there is a matchmaking system? Because if its the second then Oo. Do you want to ruin peoples came experience by presenting lopsided matches? | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On October 29 2015 23:36 Yurie wrote: How is CS:GO garbage? It is a good game that I don't happen to like. I think in most ways to measure it will show itself to be a good game. LoL is anti consumer, I quit it due to how long it takes to unlock stuff. Normal for me in a Dota clone game is that I start with one hero, play it ~100 games. Then start branching out when I know the mechanics. After 5 days my chosen hero was out of the weekly pool and I stopped playing. I think he means that you have to pay upfront 20$ on CSGO(but do unlock everything) only to realize its bad rather then with OW/LoL where you spend no money to play it initially, realize you like it and then pay money to unlock options. His opinion of CSGO is irrelevant but serves more of an example. | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On October 29 2015 23:40 DreamOen wrote: Can someone compile a list of the QuakeExPros elite streaming Overwatch? I saw few of them yesterday vs incontrol kicking ass, and cant find their streams. Yes please. I gave up looking for actually decent players today -- the top streamers are all "personalities". Edit: I'll start it off by mentioning this guy, although he's offline as of writing. http://www.twitch.tv/clockwork is the best Scout player in TF2, playing for the best (and currently undefeated) team. Now using Tracer in Overwatch, which is a match made in heaven. Check the past broadcast if you're bored. | ||
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