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Croatia7457 Posts
On October 29 2015 23:40 DreamOen wrote: Can someone compile a list of the QuakeExPros elite streaming Overwatch? I saw few of them yesterday vs incontrol kicking ass, and cant find their streams. I am watching this guy http://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull , he is fucking good. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/summit1g - CS player http://www.twitch.tv/zp_tv - Tribes player http://www.twitch.tv/stermytv - Arena FPS player (multiple games) http://www.twitch.tv/kudochop - Class based team FPS player (multiple games) http://www.twitch.tv/pyyyour - TF2 player http://www.twitch.tv/carnagejohnson - Quake/TF2 player http://www.twitch.tv/coolmatt69 - Class based team FPS player (multiple games) http://www.twitch.tv/talespinlol - Class based team FPS player (multiple games) http://www.twitch.tv/flame - TF2 player http://www.twitch.tv/dahang - Quake player http://www.twitch.tv/ohcrocsle - Day of Defeat player http://www.twitch.tv/lolenigma - TF2 player http://www.twitch.tv/b4nny - TF2 player http://www.twitch.tv/clockwork - TF2 player http://www.twitch.tv/2gd - Quake player http://www.twitch.tv/juv3niletv - CoD player http://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull - TF2 player http://www.twitch.tv/outc1der - Battlefield / Dirty Bomb player http://www.twitch.tv/milleniumtv2 - ? Watching a_seagull right now because he got linked in this thread, and yeah the dude is nuts with Edit: Can also mention that talespin was the best Tribes: Ascend sniper in the game for a while. I'll bet he's utterly ridiculous as Widowmaker, but I haven't seen his stream yet. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Might be too soon to say but future is bright for a competitive scene. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On October 30 2015 00:20 Aylear wrote: Edit: Can also mention that talespin was the best Tribes: Ascend sniper in the game for a while. I'll bet he's utterly ridiculous as Widowmaker, but I haven't seen his stream yet. there was some sniper that Summit's team went up against that utterly wrecked and maintained control while they were pushing the objective forward Sniper was supported by Mercy with damage boost don't how much the boost was but I'm guessing it's enough to allow 1 shot kills to the body to non-tank characters with the Sniper | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On October 29 2015 22:22 Redox wrote: To me it looks really good. But it would be awesome if they had more game modes, like Unreal Tournament. Yeah paid early access to new characters sounds realistic. I would not mind that. Uh that would actually be a definitive example of P2W. No argument. Every single game out there (LoL,Smite,DOTA,w/e), the newest character generally skews towards being somewhat or extremely OP. So this is just a dumb idea. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On October 30 2015 00:47 udgnim wrote: there was some sniper that Summit's team went up against that utterly wrecked and maintained control while they were pushing the objective forward Sniper was supported by Mercy with damage boost don't how much the boost was but I'm guessing it's enough to allow 1 shot kills to the body to non-tank characters with the Sniper It's gotta be like 50-100%. It's a lot, or at least it feels that way. Mercy is damn amazing. You can tell that even though this is beta, they've done a lot of design and balance work already. Take Widowmaker for example. You can't quickscope with her, but the damage from scope mode ramps up to 100% quickly. The grappling hook is really good, but the cooldown is pretty long. She's not gonna one-shot targets on her own, but she can with damage boost. There are all these synergistic relationships that make the game feel really polished and fun. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 29 2015 23:13 Plansix wrote: God I hope so. The MMR, ELO dick waving is the worst part of competitive games. I like the ladder in HotS, where there are seasons and its just about competing against those who want to compete. But visible MMR/ELO is fucking worthless. I dont want to sound too harsh, but I honestly hate this kind of thinking. It makes me mad. How can visible Elo by worthless when it is literally the only metric that says how well a player is doing? All other stats are worthless if you dont know at which Elo level theiy were achieved. I really dont get why anyone would not want to know his Elo in a multiplayer game. With hidden Elo you simply win 50% of your games no matter what you do and you never know how good or bad you are. Has really nothing to do with "dick waving" for me (although I also dont get what is so bad about that). I myself am a bad player in most games, at the lower end of Elo for sure. But I want to know if I am improving, which is why I want to see my Elo. Only seeing that 50% win rate no matter if I improve or not, no matter if I try or not, feels like being a hamster in a wheel to me and has killed my motivation to play several games already. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:31 Redox wrote: I dont want to sound too harsh, but I honestly hate this kind of thinking. It makes me mad. I really dont get why anyone would not want to know his Elo in a multiplayer game. With hidden Elo you simply win 50% of your games no matter what you do and you never know how good or bad you are. Has really nothing to do with "dick waving" for me (although I also dont get what is so bad about that). I myself am a bad player in most games, at the lower end of Elo for sure. But I want to know if I am improving, which is why I want to see my Elo. Only seeing that 50% win rate no matter if I improve or not, no matter if I try or not, feels like being a hamster in a wheel to me and has killed my motivation to play several games already. i feel exactly the same way... im too competitive to play a competitive multiplayer game..and not be able to tell if I am actually improving or not. That literally saps all of the fun and enjoyment of playing a competitive game for me. I cant play normals in League because its "just normals" so i just dont care to win and would rather do dumb stuff/troll. Its the same in Dota2 and CSGO... I need a ladder/ranking system. I want to know if I am progressing, I wont to know how good/bad I am at something. I dont want the participant trophy. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:34 MaestroSC wrote: i feel exactly the same way... im too competitive to play a competitive multiplayer game..and not be able to tell if I am actually improving or not. That literally saps all of the fun and enjoyment of playing a competitive game for me. I cant play normals in League because its "just normals" so i just dont care to win and would rather do dumb stuff/troll. Its the same in Dota2 and CSGO... I need a ladder/ranking system. I want to know if I am progressing, I wont to know how good/bad I am at something. I dont want the participant trophy. The problem is that any system they make will be gamed and mean or shit. Just like SC2 and Dota. There are people in Dota who have very high MMR, but are shit because they just spam like 2-3 heroes. The metric is not very useful, especially in a team game where your teammates can just lose matches for you. There have been plenty of high level Dota players with shit MMR compared to others. It is a shit system to reflect skill and always has been. Many active dota players mock the MMR system because of it. Just like the SC2 ladder, where people got to Grand master by six pooling. Using a metric can confirm someone’s improvement in at a given thing isn’t a good way to get better at anything. MMR and ELO are used to find opponents that the players are likely to be challenged by, not a measurement of skill. It should also be pointed out that MMR normally levels out, because that is its job. You won't see yourself improve after a specific point unless you go outside the match making system. On October 30 2015 01:51 jalstar wrote: Dota 2 was originally supposed to not have MMR right? Could be something similar with Overwatch. It didn't have ranked, they added it, its pretty blah. It also doesn't reflect the MMR the game uses 100% of the time. Its just a number. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
MMR and ELO are used to find opponents that the players are likely to be challenged by, not a measurement of skill. Well yes, and typically you are challenged by people close to your skill level  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well yes, and typically you are challenged by people close to your skill level Yes, that is a side effect of the metric. I am also challenged by a guy who spams Doom dota because Doom is the new FOTM hero and hard to deal with. Or the kid who spammed techies because that hero was a nightmare an get got to 6K. Then dropped like a stone because that hero was nerfed. MMR is a match making metric that shows peoples ability to win games. Being just straight up better at the game is one of a number of ways to win matches. But it is not a metric of improvement or growth. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22063 Posts
Because you want something that attempts to construct reasonable equal teams and seeks to limit one sided stomps. MMR is far from perfect. It has a ton of flaws. It just happens to be better then the alternatives. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 30 2015 02:07 Plansix wrote: Yes, that is a side effect of the metric. I am also challenged by a guy who spams Doom dota because Doom is the new FOTM hero and hard to deal with. Or the kid who spammed techies because that hero was a nightmare an get got to 6K. Then dropped like a stone because that hero was nerfed. MMR is a match making metric that shows peoples ability to win games. Being just straight up better at the game is one of a number of ways to win matches. But it is not a metric of improvement or growth. There is literally no metric to track your "inherent skill" at a game. It's impossible. MMR is fine. Not perfect, but fine. If you can't win games, then you don't get MMR. If you win games, you get it. That seems really fair and straightfoward. Blaming your losses on FOTM and cheese just means that you're not good enough to deal with things. | ||
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