EPTOn October 28 2015 20:12 kuresuti wrote:
Wait what? You can change your hero after the game has begun?
Wait what? You can change your hero after the game has begun?
yep
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22646 Posts
yep | ||
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
As usual they release this game more to 'advertise' than truly beta test... evidenced by the big streamers instantly getting access, while only very few select no-name casuals are 'randomly' flagged. You would know by now that just pisses off the general crowd, just like back then when Hearthstone was released and HotS. In fact I lost all interest in HotS after finally getting flagged a few weeks before the game was officially released this year, when I had enough interest in the game fresh from announcement in Blizzcon 2013. Having to constantly hear people on the forums who signed up for beta testing 1-2 weeks prior getting access before myself, and idiots being "random is random"! was a total turn off. Also, the hype of the game as usual is a result of this game being a "Blizzard game". I don't see anything spectacular and eye popping compared to any other FPS games. It does not seem like a game that will draw interest and viewers in the long-term compared to the bigger FPS' like CS:GO. Whatever, people will make their defense of this game with bias towards it being a Blizzard game (i.e. it's a great game because it was made by Blizzard!)... it looks like nothing will change when it comes to their release of their F2P games going forward | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22646 Posts
On October 28 2015 20:18 sacrilegious wrote: I'm not falling into the same trap with this game as I did with Hearthstone and HotS As usual they release this game more to 'advertise' than truly beta test... evidenced by the big streamers instantly getting access, while only very few select no-name casuals are 'randomly' flagged. You would know by now that just pisses off the general crowd, just like back then when Hearthstone was released and HotS. In fact I lost all interest in HotS after finally getting flagged a few weeks before the game was officially released this year, when I had enough interest in the game fresh from announcement in Blizzcon 2013. Having to constantly hear people on the forums who signed up for beta testing 1-2 weeks prior getting access before myself, and idiots being "random is random"! was a total turn off. Also, the hype of the game as usual is a result of this game being a "Blizzard game". I don't see anything spectacular and eye popping compared to any other FPS games. It does not seem like a game that will draw interest and viewers in the long-term compared to the bigger FPS' like CS:GO. Whatever, people will make their defense of this game with bias towards it being a Blizzard game (i.e. it's a great game because it was made by Blizzard!)... it looks like nothing will change when it comes to their release of their F2P games going forward How dare Blizzard create hype by giving streamers the game. You know, like everyone is doing these days. ps. Random is random. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10961 Posts
wtf is he even saying? Is it: "I don't get a Beta, famous People do, i hate my live and now hate Blizzard because...." Seriously? | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
Probably won't be that long till open weekends / mass invites either. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On October 28 2015 20:12 kuresuti wrote: Wait what? You can change your hero after the game has begun? Yes. It kinda adds some type of classic RTS-element to it. It definitely makes the experience alot more dynamic as each hero have weakness's and strenghts. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On October 28 2015 20:12 kuresuti wrote: Wait what? You can change your hero after the game has begun? i mean this is the case in tf2 as well | ||
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
On October 28 2015 20:33 Gorsameth wrote: How dare Blizzard create hype by giving streamers the game. You know, like everyone is doing these days. ps. Random is random. Yea how dare they call it a closed beta test, and not really an advertising ploy On October 28 2015 20:34 Velr wrote: wtf is he even saying? Is it: "I don't get a Beta, famous People do, i hate my live and now hate Blizzard because...." Seriously? Is that how you interpreted it? Want me to give you a non-TL:DR version of it 3 page essay style, so even you would understand? But I doubt you would understand when you don't even know how to use the word "live" for "life"... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22646 Posts
On October 28 2015 20:55 sacrilegious wrote: Yea how dare they call it a closed beta test, and not really an advertising ploy Is that how you interpreted it? Want me to give you a non-TL:DR version of it 3 page essay style, so even you would understand? But I doubt you would understand when you don't even know how to use the word "live" for "life"... It is a beta test that is not open to all. It is not just streamers but also random people. Yes it is a closed beta test and is also being used to generate hype. Yes you are being a salty bitch for not getting an invite. Go cry somewhere else. . | ||
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
On October 28 2015 20:39 Hider wrote: Yes. It kinda adds some type of classic RTS-element to it. It definitely makes the experience alot more dynamic as each hero have weakness's and strenghts. Nothing wrong with it, I was just expecting a classic MOBA in FPS form. Game looks sick though. Thank god there are some good games coming this fall/winter so I won't have to sit and wait for a beta invite  | ||
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
On October 28 2015 21:00 Gorsameth wrote: It is a beta test that is not open to all. It is not just streamers but also random people. Yes it is a closed beta test and is also being used to generate hype. Yes you are being a salty bitch for not getting an invite. Go cry somewhere else. . Cool, I knew I could count on you being one of those people coming to Blizzard's defense, because they're Blizzard Please also read my OP again, I never asked, begged, or requested my account be flagged for this game. I'm purely stating facts on the way these processes have been handled based on Hearthstone and HotS... period. But hey if you want to name call to make you feel better, congrats. I'm going to go cry in the corner now like you told me. Whether you are right or wrong about your first statement, is not the point of what I was getting to, but please call me more names | ||
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iXphobos
Germany1465 Posts
On October 28 2015 19:57 bardtown wrote: Disagree. They need to see who picks what when given a free choice, if the heroes are balanced, etc. That is much harder to do if you restrict players' choices in beta. They already stated that all heroes will be available from the start when the game is released. One of the key mechanics of the game is to counter the opposing team composition, get re-countered and so on. Not having all heroes from the start would completely fuck that mechanic. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On October 28 2015 21:04 kuresuti wrote: Nothing wrong with it, I was just expecting a classic MOBA in FPS form. Game looks sick though. Thank god there are some good games coming this fall/winter so I won't have to sit and wait for a beta invite A problem with the "RTS-system" in an RTS game (e.g. Starcraft) is that you need to make a ton decisions on top of all the mechanical requirements at once, which significantly raises the learning barrier. In fact, I think a MOBA P/B-system actually makes more sense in an RTS for a variety of reasons. In some ways, the "which units should i get in an RTS?" can be compared to "which item should I buy in a MOBA?". But the difference between OW and a MOBA is that changing a hero is much more direct impactful than buying an item in LOL. Often, the optimal item to get is more decided by math than an analysis of the strategic context. As a consequence, most ppl just buy the say items over and over because they don't really care about that aspect of League of Legends. Hence, as a general design rule, you should only add an extra elemnt/complexity to the game if it creates impactful and engaging decisions for the player. And from what I gathered, OW does that extremely well. It seems to be a strategic aspect that's relevant for the casual player as well as the competitive player. The more I look at this game the more impressed I am with the design, and I am normally not a guy that easily get overhyped. In fact, I am typically the guy trying to tell "fanboys" that their game won't be succesful for XYZ reasons (which they obviously don't like to hear), but in this case I am on the board. Overwatch has everything going for it to be succesful. The only noticeable thing that I can see hindering its growth rate somewhat is if its not F2P. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22646 Posts
On October 28 2015 21:12 sacrilegious wrote: Cool, I knew I could count on you being one of those people coming to Blizzard's defense, because they're Blizzard Please also read my OP again, I never asked, begged, or requested my account be flagged for this game. I'm purely stating facts on the way these processes have been handled based on Hearthstone and HotS... period. But hey if you want to name call to make you feel better, congrats. I'm going to go cry in the corner now like you told me. Whether you are right or wrong about your first statement, is not the point of what I was getting to, but please call me more names Cough Having to constantly hear people on the forums who signed up for beta testing 1-2 weeks prior getting access before myself, and idiots being "random is random"! was a total turn off. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On October 28 2015 21:12 sacrilegious wrote: Cool, I knew I could count on you being one of those people coming to Blizzard's defense, because they're Blizzard Please also read my OP again, I never asked, begged, or requested my account be flagged for this game. I'm purely stating facts on the way these processes have been handled based on Hearthstone and HotS... period. But hey if you want to name call to make you feel better, congrats. I'm going to go cry in the corner now like you told me. Whether you are right or wrong about your first statement, is not the point of what I was getting to, but please call me more names Same thing happens with almost every game and every company, streamers will always get in first. Get over it. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1613 Posts
On October 28 2015 21:12 sacrilegious wrote: Cool, I knew I could count on you being one of those people coming to Blizzard's defense, because they're Blizzard Please also read my OP again, I never asked, begged, or requested my account be flagged for this game. I'm purely stating facts on the way these processes have been handled based on Hearthstone and HotS... period. But hey if you want to name call to make you feel better, congrats. I'm going to go cry in the corner now like you told me. Whether you are right or wrong about your first statement, is not the point of what I was getting to, but please call me more names What do you do here if you hate this game more than anything else? | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
Whatever, people will make their defense of this game with bias towards it being a Blizzard game (i.e. it's a great game because it was made by Blizzard!)... it looks like nothing will change when it comes to their release of their F2P games going forward And yet noone was on hype board for Heroes of the Storm nor you see any hype for LOTV: Clearly the Blizzard-bias isn't as strong as you think. Instead, the main factor between the hype might be that it has really awesome gameplay. Every single alpha-and betatester that I heard talking about the game has said it was awesome. Can you link me to a single negative review of the game? | ||
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lestye
United States4243 Posts
As usual they release this game more to 'advertise' than truly beta test... evidenced by the big streamers instantly getting access, while only very few select no-name casuals are 'randomly' flagged. You would know by now that just pisses off the general crowd, just like back then when Hearthstone was released and HotS. In fact I lost all interest in HotS after finally getting flagged a few weeks before the game was officially released this year, when I had enough interest in the game fresh from announcement in Blizzcon 2013. Having to constantly hear people on the forums who signed up for beta testing 1-2 weeks prior getting access before myself, and idiots being "random is random"! was a total turn off. Press and Streamers always get into every beta since ever. People think when they see 50 streamers streaming Overwatch, that is the end of the world, but streamers are going to be the minority of actual people playing the game if they invited 1-10k people in the first wave. On October 28 2015 19:57 bardtown wrote: Disagree. They need to see who picks what when given a free choice, if the heroes are balanced, etc. That is much harder to do if you restrict players' choices in beta. I mean, they restricted the hero selection in HOTS from Day 1. I think if they decided to yank that and put in a paywall, that would create a lot of controversy. I think it's very safe to assume that they're not planning on monetizing individual heroes. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On October 28 2015 20:33 Gorsameth wrote: How dare Blizzard create hype by giving streamers the game. You know, like everyone is doing these days. ps. Random is random. guy is just salty I'd guess 50-100 streamers got closed beta access I'd guess a whole lot more random non-streamer BNET accounts got closed beta access otherwise the streamers would be playing against each other constantly | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
So why not invite big streamers? Not only do they create a lot of hype, they are probably more receptive then the average beta player to give feedback to Blizzard with the added addition that the watchers of the stream and the stream itself record bugs and problems as well. It is the same reason that game journalists get early copies of games or beta's, to both criticize, test and create hype, streamers aren't that much different in that aspect. How many random joes who get keys actually actively report, criticize and give feedback to blizzard? i'd wager its a lot less on average. That chance is lower when it comes to streamers(and 10000 people are watching that person encounter a bug or notice a missing feature) Look at it this way, you can give the beta key to a random person or you can give the beta key to a popular streamer. The amount of keys given is the same but the stuff you get out of it is just significantly larger. | ||
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