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On November 11 2014 04:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2014 03:49 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Pëople that day that diablo 3 sold 12 million copies its first year on PC only, just because of diablo 2 are delutional, how many copies do you think diablo 2 sold? I bet less than a half of the total diablo 3 sales.
This game is going to come out at the end of 2015, or begining of 2016, because they've got the beta of heroes of the storm in january, and david kim said the beta for lotv will be in the first half of 2015, so that leaves the second half to overwatch.
Also lets remember that overwatch was titan, so they've been working on it for years, so its no wonder they have almost finished it. Overwatch reused some of the assets from Titan and part of the team migrated over but Overwatch is NOT Titan.
I dont buy that for a second.
Titan was rumored to be an MMO FPS and a brand new IP. Now we suddenly have a FPS with a brand new IP and its not Titan?
They failed to make the MMO part compelling but instead of throwing everything away they took the combat which they found fun and removed the MMO portion and you have Overwatch. (obv only suspicions at this point but it makes to much sense to not be the case really)
Heck they might have had 'battlegrounds' in already so they could have literally taken that and formed the game around it.
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On November 11 2014 04:58 MrBitter wrote:
Played a lot of Overwatch at Blizzcon. I really like the game. My first ever foray into online gaming was Team Fortress Classic, and Overwatch just captured that feeling in a lot of ways for me.
Would love to answer people's questions if they have any.
Most important point for me: The gun play felt really good, the movement felt really good, and the game felt super skillful in general.
How quickly do people die/how many hits can you survive? Is it feasible to harass and trade some blows, then back up to heal, or does one player usually not survive a confrontation?
How much offensive potential do the defensive and support heroes have? Do they just have weak guns and almost never get kills?
How important are the skills, teamplay and objectives compared to the pure shooter and aiming stuff? On a scale of 1 (Quake) to 10 (Dota), where would you put Overwatch?
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On November 11 2014 09:13 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2014 04:58 MrBitter wrote:
Played a lot of Overwatch at Blizzcon. I really like the game. My first ever foray into online gaming was Team Fortress Classic, and Overwatch just captured that feeling in a lot of ways for me.
Would love to answer people's questions if they have any.
Most important point for me: The gun play felt really good, the movement felt really good, and the game felt super skillful in general. How quickly do people die/how many hits can you survive? Is it feasible to harass and trade some blows, then back up to heal, or does one player usually not survive a confrontation? How much offensive potential do the defensive and support heroes have? Do they just have weak guns and almost never get kills? How important are the skills, teamplay and objectives compared to the pure shooter and aiming stuff? On a scale of 1 (Quake) to 10 (Dota), where would you put Overwatch?
Different classes have different amounts of survivability. Tracer, for instance, has only 150 hit points and would die very quickly if focused. She makes up for that with the most absurd mobility you can imagine.
Reinhart on the other hand has 600 HP and a deployable shield that will absorb another 2,000 damage. He's not particularly easy to take down.
It is absolutely possible to play harass-centric styles. I ran around with Tracer a ton and found hit and run to be brutally effective. Even in the extreme example - Reinhart can be taken down fairly quickly if you can get behind his shield.
Defensive heroes have lots of kill potential. They're also probably the most like their TF2 counterparts.
Widowmaker - sniper - tons of kill potential (charged shots, and they charge very quickly, deal about 200 damage to the body and more to the head, although I'm not sure what the multiplier is)
Engineer looking dude - engineer - tons of kill potential (The overwatch engineer turret is borderline op)
Robot Turret dude - heavy - tons of kill potential (when deployed he lays down so much high damage fire)
Support did feel like the least "complete" of the playable heroes. Their damage was lower and their abilities were especially hard to gauge, mostly because no one knew wtf they were doing. My feeling is that organized teams will be made much better by good support play, but there was none of that at Blizzcon.
I'd say Overwatch lands slightly closer to Quake than to DOTA. Maybe a 3 on your scale. It's a FPS first and foremost, and it feels like a pretty good one. That said, the skills are absolutely crucial to success and players will have a very hard time taking objectives without good team work.
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On November 11 2014 09:13 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2014 04:58 MrBitter wrote:
Played a lot of Overwatch at Blizzcon. I really like the game. My first ever foray into online gaming was Team Fortress Classic, and Overwatch just captured that feeling in a lot of ways for me.
Would love to answer people's questions if they have any.
Most important point for me: The gun play felt really good, the movement felt really good, and the game felt super skillful in general. How quickly do people die/how many hits can you survive? Is it feasible to harass and trade some blows, then back up to heal, or does one player usually not survive a confrontation? How much offensive potential do the defensive and support heroes have? Do they just have weak guns and almost never get kills? How important are the skills, teamplay and objectives compared to the pure shooter and aiming stuff? On a scale of 1 (Quake) to 10 (Dota), where would you put Overwatch?
as u see there is support its kinda obvious the diecams u saw, is prolly staged, becuse what is the point of support if u burst players down in a second?
i did not play it but having supportclasses that heals, is utterly useless then so expect it to be moba:ish, one player can kill another but not in a flash second.
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On November 11 2014 04:39 awesomoecalypse wrote:
This looks super fun. TF2 + Dota is such a simple idea, its funny no one's ever really thought to do it before.
There's actually quite a few FPS dota-esque games, with classes and everything. They are usually made by small indie companies though and never really took off. On a scale from 1 (TF2) to 10 (Dota) they usually landed around 7 (dota gameplay except its fps) whereas this game looks more like a 2-3 (tf2 gameplay but with ability based heroes).
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tracer and indian woman new waifus etc
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Tracer is everyone's waifu. Everyone pls  .
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On November 11 2014 03:04 peanuts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2014 02:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm curious, you didn't like TF2's movement system? Not a huge fan. It's fine, I'm not begging Valve to change it, but it just feels... off? Like, I feel like I don't have 100% control of my character.
That's interesting, could you elaborate? For me TF2 was one of the few games where I actually feel like I DID have full control of my character, when I don't in most games. Counter Strike Source is one of the others. Though not CSGO, that felt awful.
I think its something to do with the source engine but amongst the significant number of shooters I've played including major names like CoD, Battlefield, Crysis...they typically feel quite floaty and unresponsive to my mouse movement. I never feel like I can get it to aim or move as I'd like compared with TF2. I try to point and shoot and it seems like the aim just will not remain consistent (and yes, I've got mouse acceleration turned off, so I don't think its that).
Some of the few outside of source I've liked were Natural Selection 2 and Titanfall was ok (original NS was pretty nice as well). But in general most shooters just don't feel quite right. Battlefield was probably the worst offender for this.
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Might be the quality of the net code.
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The cartoony over-the-top artstyle looks damn cool. I barely play any FPS and am getting hyped.
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One thing I would like to see in this game is a specific team combo bonus.
EG; in the cinematic you see Reaper & Widow versus Winston and Tracer. Maybe add some kind of bonus if you party with someone who 'meta' teamplays by picking synergy characters to give passive bonuses in the matches.
IE; at the start of the countdown and/or during respawn/repicks an announcer that says "SYNERGY" and a short description at the top of the screen saying 2 (or more) characters (enemy or friendly) saying the team or just the synergized characters now have +1 base movement speed, +1 armor, +1hp, +1 ammo, etc when they are together fighting in proximity (possibly noted in game as a highlight around the characters) Just little minor boosts that promote teamplay and/or offer incentives to friends to play as a team.
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On November 11 2014 08:05 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2014 04:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 11 2014 03:49 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Pëople that day that diablo 3 sold 12 million copies its first year on PC only, just because of diablo 2 are delutional, how many copies do you think diablo 2 sold? I bet less than a half of the total diablo 3 sales.
This game is going to come out at the end of 2015, or begining of 2016, because they've got the beta of heroes of the storm in january, and david kim said the beta for lotv will be in the first half of 2015, so that leaves the second half to overwatch.
Also lets remember that overwatch was titan, so they've been working on it for years, so its no wonder they have almost finished it. Overwatch reused some of the assets from Titan and part of the team migrated over but Overwatch is NOT Titan. I dont buy that for a second. Titan was rumored to be an MMO FPS and a brand new IP. Now we suddenly have a FPS with a brand new IP and its not Titan? They failed to make the MMO part compelling but instead of throwing everything away they took the combat which they found fun and removed the MMO portion and you have Overwatch. (obv only suspicions at this point but it makes to much sense to not be the case really) Heck they might have had 'battlegrounds' in already so they could have literally taken that and formed the game around it. I find it hard to believe too. That said, I'm confused and not sure what to think — it seems awfully difficult to go from MMO to this any way you look at it unless this was some sort of core "mini-game" aspect within the game, but that too seems illogical.
Overall, maybe I'm mistaken but I thought that we've never been informed about any other new IPs than Titan. It doesn't make sense that they would have two new IPs the whole time when only mentioning one.
On November 10 2014 23:57 Crownlol wrote:
Blizzard has always taken a genre and made the best, most polished game for it. This seems to be no exception. It has role-based elements, MOBA elements, a fun atmosphere, and Blizzard's fit-and-finish.
I don't mean to single you out, but I keep seeing people saying MOBA/DotA, but I think that's totally inappropriate. When I gave my first impressions, I too mentioned DotA/LoL, but only because I was referring to to playable characters and skill slots. As far as I'd say, the only thing similar to a classic MOBA that this game has is the plethora of playable roles, and lack of skills on each hero.
Any real/classic MOBA in my opinion is defined as having NPC soldiers and/or neutrals, as well as level and/or equipment progression; without that it's just inappropriate to say something like "it has MOBA aspects" (again I'm not trying to single you out, it seems to me that many people have mentioned this).
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On November 11 2014 23:41 Xapti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2014 08:05 Gorsameth wrote:On November 11 2014 04:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 11 2014 03:49 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
Pëople that day that diablo 3 sold 12 million copies its first year on PC only, just because of diablo 2 are delutional, how many copies do you think diablo 2 sold? I bet less than a half of the total diablo 3 sales.
This game is going to come out at the end of 2015, or begining of 2016, because they've got the beta of heroes of the storm in january, and david kim said the beta for lotv will be in the first half of 2015, so that leaves the second half to overwatch.
Also lets remember that overwatch was titan, so they've been working on it for years, so its no wonder they have almost finished it. Overwatch reused some of the assets from Titan and part of the team migrated over but Overwatch is NOT Titan. I dont buy that for a second. Titan was rumored to be an MMO FPS and a brand new IP. Now we suddenly have a FPS with a brand new IP and its not Titan? They failed to make the MMO part compelling but instead of throwing everything away they took the combat which they found fun and removed the MMO portion and you have Overwatch. (obv only suspicions at this point but it makes to much sense to not be the case really) Heck they might have had 'battlegrounds' in already so they could have literally taken that and formed the game around it. I find it hard to believe too. That said, I'm confused and not sure what to think — it seems awfully difficult to go from MMO to this any way you look at it unless this was some sort of core "mini-game" aspect within the game, but that too seems illogical. Overall, maybe I'm mistaken but I thought that we've never been informed about any other new IPs than Titan. It doesn't make sense that they would have two new IPs the whole time when only mentioning one.
You have a world, a story, you have art assets and character riggings. Combat/abilities/classes in place.
If you decide the switch from an MMO to a teambased FPS you dont wanne throw away the story you have so instead of the npc's in the world you make them your player characters. You might have to make up a few more to get a good roster. Give them iconic abilities, partly taken from what you already had, make up some more as needed.
The mini-game aspect isnt that illogical. We can assume Titan learned from WoW so battlegrounds existing is not far fetched.
Ofc this makes it all sound a lot easier then it will be in reality but it is imo not a far leap at all and pretty logical if you cant make the MMO aspect work but have an otherwise functioning story and shooter.
You know, kinda like Destiny :p
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On November 11 2014 23:42 MarlieChurphy wrote:
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Rule 34 Tracer took hours at most. Heck I think I saw the rough outline of one in the MMO-C thread before the end of the first day of blizzcon.
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I just hope all weapons will require manual aiming like in any good FPS and that movement abilities will work on any part of map and not just predefined spots. Like if you see a ledge and aim well you can get to any part of that ledge not just one middle part.
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On November 12 2014 00:09 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2014 23:42 MarlieChurphy wrote:
PS- how long before 4chan has hentai and tentacles and all that other weird shit for the characters in this game? I'm giving it til next weekend. Rule 34 Tracer took hours at most. Heck I think I saw the rough outline of one in the MMO-C thread before the end of the first day of blizzcon.
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On November 11 2014 15:39 NicksonReyes wrote:Tracer is everyone's waifu. Everyone pls .
Always had a thing for tomboy girl in videogames, dunno why.
I don't even play LoL but I'm a big fan of characters like Riven and Vi for example.
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On November 12 2014 00:53 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2014 15:39 NicksonReyes wrote:Tracer is everyone's waifu. Everyone pls . Always had a thing for tomboy girl in videogames, dunno why. I don't even play LoL but I'm a big fan of characters like Riven and Vi for example.
Aint nothing wrong with being gay.
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On November 12 2014 01:23 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 00:53 Noocta wrote:On November 11 2014 15:39 NicksonReyes wrote:Tracer is everyone's waifu. Everyone pls . Always had a thing for tomboy girl in videogames, dunno why. I don't even play LoL but I'm a big fan of characters like Riven and Vi for example. Aint nothing wrong with being gay.
I love those characters and I am straight as a fucking arrow. Just saying.
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