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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
May 05 2016 16:00 GMT
#3401
You have to be almost perfect on the right click of Lucio when you get hooked by Roadhog or you're toast.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
May 05 2016 16:12 GMT
#3402
On May 06 2016 01:00 scott31337 wrote:
You have to be almost perfect on the right click of Lucio when you get hooked by Roadhog or you're toast.


I personally find it pretty forgiving given you cal hold S and spam right click the whole time i normally get away. You do need to crossfade into speed and amp it up if you arent full hp when first hooked though to avoid follow up
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No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
May 05 2016 16:18 GMT
#3403
I need help with the game settings, im not used to FPS, but i want to improve my game experience and skills
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 16:35:44
May 05 2016 16:34 GMT
#3404
The game seems polished but I quickly lose interest and go back to SC2. There is nothing to do except running around shooting at things and trying to avoid being hit.

It seems the only games that can hold my intrest is SC2 and GTA.

Still Overwatch is more fun than MOBAS, I find playing any MOBA to be as fun as watching paint dry.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 05 2016 17:01 GMT
#3405
I strongly suspect that the skirmishing during matchmaking needs to be filed under "more harm than good."
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
May 05 2016 17:02 GMT
#3406
On May 06 2016 02:01 xDaunt wrote:
I strongly suspect that the skirmishing during matchmaking needs to be filed under "more harm than good."


You can turn off skirmish but unless you know every map like the back of your hand I find it beneficial. You can sometimes find different paths and jumps you didn't know about previously.
Wat
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 05 2016 17:03 GMT
#3407
On May 06 2016 02:01 xDaunt wrote:
I strongly suspect that the skirmishing during matchmaking needs to be filed under "more harm than good."


You can turn it off. It's nice at first to explore the maps, and the environments are beautiful. But damnit, sometimes I just want to open my loot box.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9411 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 17:17:06
May 05 2016 17:16 GMT
#3408
On May 06 2016 00:33 MotherFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2016 23:54 Foxxan wrote:

But overall feels slow and something else missing, i dont know. Hard to explain.



That's funny since the game feels insanely too fast for me


There are different variations of "fast". Fast can be referred to as the amount of shots to kill someone, it can refer to game-lenght, amount of actions or to the movement speed/movement- abilities of heroes.

In terms of movement I think this game (generally) is more comparable to COD than Quake.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
May 05 2016 17:22 GMT
#3409
I think for a team based shooter this speed seems more appropriate than quake-level speeds
Wat
Nyan
Profile Joined April 2015
Germany1931 Posts
May 05 2016 17:23 GMT
#3410
Tried the game because my friend wants to buy it.
Sorry but this is born to be a free to play game. It gets boring too fast.
Glad he doesn't want to buy it anymore.
The rounds are too fast.
It's a game to casually play once in a while and I would play it if it was f2p.

I can't see myself watching this as an eSports game
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 05 2016 17:31 GMT
#3411
On May 06 2016 02:23 Nyan wrote:
Tried the game because my friend wants to buy it.
Sorry but this is born to be a free to play game. It gets boring too fast.
Glad he doesn't want to buy it anymore.
The rounds are too fast.
It's a game to casually play once in a while and I would play it if it was f2p.

I can't see myself watching this as an eSports game

I think most people understand that this will suck as an eSports game. Anyway it's just for other people, people will still play this. TF2 worked for a long time.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
May 05 2016 17:34 GMT
#3412
people watch sc2 as an esport game

pretty sure blizzard can make them watch overwatch too
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 05 2016 17:36 GMT
#3413
On May 06 2016 02:34 Faruko wrote:
people watch sc2 as an esport game

pretty sure blizzard can make them watch overwatch too

Have you seen Overwatch? It's complete shit from an outsider's perspective. Anyway, maybe time will prove me wrong. I'm sure it'll exist but I'd bet it won't last.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
May 05 2016 17:50 GMT
#3414
On May 06 2016 02:36 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2016 02:34 Faruko wrote:
people watch sc2 as an esport game

pretty sure blizzard can make them watch overwatch too

Have you seen Overwatch? It's complete shit from an outsider's perspective. Anyway, maybe time will prove me wrong. I'm sure it'll exist but I'd bet it won't last.

There have been successful spectator experiences made from competitive team-based FPS before. Why exactly would OW be much different?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 17:59:47
May 05 2016 17:54 GMT
#3415
Last time I argued that OW faces a lot of challenges as a spectator sport, some people argued that because it will be supported by a developer, it will flourished despite its inherent spectating difficulty.

I still think OW will not remotely be as big as estimated for a spectator game. Its map-design lends itself to spam-like projectiles and maps that are KoTH are unnecessarily close quarters that muddle strategic depth.

A lot of the maps are designed with such a basic cheapness to it. Always a "tiny room" with multiple entrances to give semblance of a forced confrontation/contestation, but in reality; it just hinders half the abilities in the game and free movement. Compare that to TF2 like CP_Granary or CP_Badlands

http://comp.tf/wiki/Granary
http://comp.tf/wiki/Badlands

[image loading]

That's a pretty incredible first capture point.

Both maps have both close-quarter second points, but their first main central point is open-spaced; plays to the advantages of a lot of key classes (especially 6v6), but also hinders some movement for other classes to create situations.

That said, TF2 suffers the same line of issues taht Overwatch has, it's inherent for these kinds of games.
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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
May 05 2016 17:56 GMT
#3416
I think simply having a dedicated obs will do wonders for OW spectator experience. I've said it before but I think even 3 observers would be optimal and allow production to switch views. So far I think all the OW tournaments have been two guys casting with one of them also being obs. We know from Starcraft's early days that being a caster and observer detracts from both.
Wat
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 05 2016 18:04 GMT
#3417
nah its the constant action, leaving no time to explain it right. Most people can't keep up, thats why they complain or don't bother trying to figure it out. And thats completely fine.
I fell asleep watching some CS rounds its interesting but only in small doses for me. While I love watching Overwatch especially Seagulls stream, as he explains his play when he has time for it.
But yeah it won't be "we can do that better" Hearthstone. Or Action Movie Dota/LoL/CS, where you have a slow build up and then a giant explosion right before you fall asleep.
It will be a video game. Never a dull moment.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
May 05 2016 18:08 GMT
#3418
Competitive matches do have a certain amount of downtime since it is usually an "all die, all respawn" cycle unlike your average quick match which is a zerg. In most matches I watch there is enough lull in the action between action-oriented bursts to talk about what just happened.
Wat
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-05 18:12:01
May 05 2016 18:11 GMT
#3419
On May 06 2016 02:16 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2016 00:33 MotherFox wrote:
On May 05 2016 23:54 Foxxan wrote:

But overall feels slow and something else missing, i dont know. Hard to explain.



That's funny since the game feels insanely too fast for me


There are different variations of "fast". Fast can be referred to as the amount of shots to kill someone, it can refer to game-lenght, amount of actions or to the movement speed/movement- abilities of heroes.

In terms of movement I think this game (generally) is more comparable to COD than Quake.


I suspect my issue with the game has to do with my non-attraction to most major FPS games. I have no experience with COD/Halo/Quake/etc. The only multiplayer fps games that have ever held my interest were America's Army [Which is a highly strategic game with low twitch factor and more about moving through the silence listening for opponents] and TF2 [Which didn't have battlefields that felt quite as chaotic, since the levels were much smaller than Overwatch's by my estimation, and thus far more predictable]
Don't Panic
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 05 2016 18:32 GMT
#3420
On May 06 2016 02:50 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2016 02:36 Djzapz wrote:
On May 06 2016 02:34 Faruko wrote:
people watch sc2 as an esport game

pretty sure blizzard can make them watch overwatch too

Have you seen Overwatch? It's complete shit from an outsider's perspective. Anyway, maybe time will prove me wrong. I'm sure it'll exist but I'd bet it won't last.

There have been successful spectator experiences made from competitive team-based FPS before. Why exactly would OW be much different?

It's not the FPS part that is not watchable IMO. But whatever, we'll see.
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