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On March 30 2016 06:27 Cyro wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pCb12Ou.jpg) It's almost an outright lie to say that this is overly sexualized and thus unsuitable for a girl character because of that. It's not at all IMO. It's a female body - big deal. Go outside, look around and you will see dozens of them everywhere.
You've got a pic of the wrong skin.
![[image loading]](http://overwatch.blizzplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/tracer-victory-pose-2-over-the-shoulder.png)
The poses are a chance for the dev team to display some more of the character's personality. If a girl's ass can be seen through her clothing like that, and she does the thing where she arches her back like that, then it's sexual (urban dictionary has my back here and here). Picture your mother or sister or think of a wife doing that for a guy who isn't her husband. Or think what a girl is saying about herself when she makes that her Tinder pic. In different clothing, it could be just trying to look cool like some of the other characters' over the shoulder poses. But when the ass is so visible, it draws attention. These aren't fucking yoga pants rofl. Her pants here are much more form-fitting than that. Just like if a guy wears clothing that shows a bulge, that kinda transforms his whole look. It's like a guy wearing a speedo and thrusting his pelvis forward. It's possible for a guy to do that action without it being very sexual and also possible for it to be sexual, depending on his clothing, the context, how he actually does it, etc.
IDK man all the people saying it's not sexual... if a girl gave you that look in the club, you think she's not into you? I don't get it.
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You've got a pic of the wrong skin.
That's exactly it, demonstrating that the issue is with the default skin and not the pose
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On March 30 2016 09:39 Cyro wrote:That's exactly it, demonstrating that the issue is with the default skin and not the pose
Ok but wearing clothes like that is part of her backstory. She can wear it without being sexual if she isn't doing the "im in a rapper's music video" arch your back and show your ass off pose. Lots of athletes wear clothing that is pretty revealing but they wouldn't strike a pose like that for the camera unless they were trying to be sexual.
So let her keep her outfit and let her avoid doing poses that don't make any sense in the context.
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On March 30 2016 09:36 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 06:27 Cyro wrote:It's almost an outright lie to say that this is overly sexualized and thus unsuitable for a girl character because of that. It's not at all IMO. It's a female body - big deal. Go outside, look around and you will see dozens of them everywhere. You've got a pic of the wrong skin. The poses are a chance for the dev team to display some more of the character's personality. If a girl's ass can be seen through her clothing like that, and she does the thing where she arches her back like that, then it's sexual (urban dictionary has my back here and here). Picture your mother or sister or think of a wife doing that for a guy who isn't her husband. Or think what a girl is saying about herself when she makes that her Tinder pic. In different clothing, it could be just trying to look cool like some of the other characters' over the shoulder poses. But when the ass is so visible, it draws attention. These aren't fucking yoga pants rofl. Her pants here are much more form-fitting than that. Just like if a guy wears clothing that shows a bulge, that kinda transforms his whole look. It's like a guy wearing a speedo and thrusting his pelvis forward. It's possible for a guy to do that action without it being very sexual and also possible for it to be sexual, depending on his clothing, the context, how he actually does it, etc. IDK man all the people saying it's not sexual... if a girl gave you that look in the club, you think she's not into you? I don't get it.
I'm more irritated by the belts around her legs. She's supposed to be a runner and those belts are pretty ..uhm..close to her privates. I'm pretty sure running like that would be quite painful.
edit: I agree, this can definitely be seen as a sexual pose. If it was Widowmaker posing like that, it would be more fitting, since she's a "femme fatale" character. But to me Tracer is more quirky than sexy...and I don't like the belts...ugh.
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finally saved up a 1000, and after much deliberation, i decided to get the Nevermore Reaper skin.
hotdamn its sexy as fuck.
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On March 30 2016 09:36 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 06:27 Cyro wrote:It's almost an outright lie to say that this is overly sexualized and thus unsuitable for a girl character because of that. It's not at all IMO. It's a female body - big deal. Go outside, look around and you will see dozens of them everywhere. You've got a pic of the wrong skin. The poses are a chance for the dev team to display some more of the character's personality. If a girl's ass can be seen through her clothing like that, and she does the thing where she arches her back like that, then it's sexual (urban dictionary has my back here and here). Picture your mother or sister or think of a wife doing that for a guy who isn't her husband. Or think what a girl is saying about herself when she makes that her Tinder pic. In different clothing, it could be just trying to look cool like some of the other characters' over the shoulder poses. But when the ass is so visible, it draws attention. These aren't fucking yoga pants rofl. Her pants here are much more form-fitting than that. Just like if a guy wears clothing that shows a bulge, that kinda transforms his whole look. It's like a guy wearing a speedo and thrusting his pelvis forward. It's possible for a guy to do that action without it being very sexual and also possible for it to be sexual, depending on his clothing, the context, how he actually does it, etc. IDK man all the people saying it's not sexual... if a girl gave you that look in the club, you think she's not into you? I don't get it.
I think you convinced me. Initially when I took a gander, it jut looked like she was looking behind herself. Like It kinda looked like she was just walking and turning behind herself as if someone said "Hey!". But looking at her waist.... its not what I thought from before.
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the over the should pose looks quite terrible (saw someone posted mercy who looks majestic)
I totally support removal of the pose, it just looks out of the place for that character.
Blizzard can do way better, especially when tracer is the poster girl.
And come on, why I am still only watch 
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Seems like everyone agrees that only because of the clothing this pose becomes sexy. Sadly its a curious facial expression not an inviting one. And in my schooldays most schoolmates made that pose if you called them out to wait, especially the male ones. (its the bagpacks fault)
Actually it fits super well, because well built people that don't care about their look often do that because they don't think about that.
Anyway its not like there are other from behind poses that work so whatever. Maybe they unclip her backpack so she can do the japanese schoolgirl pose.
And its also nice to see that the designers already anticipated that someone will just look at the ass not the face. Means they put alot of thought into it. (Well for the release is coming rushed out poses)
I will lough my ass of if Tracers will only get front pictures from now on. That totally fits a fast character !
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so what if some people see it sexually and other dont? what is wrong with america and SEX! its not scary it not going to ruin your children, it's not the boogey man, Why is the bitching about sexual shit in gaming getting worse and worse? If you dont like it dont look at it that way, if you do like it, like it. no amount of censorship is going to stop people sexualizing something, infact this whole debacle is just going to create more sexual fan art and prolly end up in hacked client nude skins and shit like that...
When can the hardcore gaming community finally admit the fact is will always be mainly male orientated, and males like small to large quantities of sexualization in their games, Is Widow going to be changed now? cause as far as i can tell her character is suppose to be sexual, but the person who created this whole drama was complaining about sexualization in general, so is none going to be allowed?
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it's like people didn't read the OP. there's nothing wrong with a sexual pose. the main argument was that the pose did not fit with Tracer's character. Spunky, not sexy.
Blizzard had a discussion internally, agreed with the comment, and decided to change it. I really don't see anything wrong with that.
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A section hardcore gaming community believes that. But companies like Blizzard don’t want to go the route of comics in the 90s and market only to that small demographic. They want to reach out to other demographics and that means they got to think about the amount of digital booty in the game.
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If you're offended by a girl with an ass in a video game, then you got some other issues going on. From what I've seen, the tracer character is supposed to be fast/mobile/athletic. No one (including females) wants to play with some overweight 90 year old grandma that is somehow supposed to be quick.
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On March 30 2016 23:11 malcram wrote:
it's like people didn't read the OP. there's nothing wrong with a sexual pose. the main argument was that the pose did not fit with Tracer's character. Spunky, not sexy.
Blizzard had a discussion internally, agreed with the comment, and decided to change it. I really don't see anything wrong with that.
/rant on
We’ve had issues with Tracer's ass at previous events. Some Blizzard people lobbied to bring it back as a pose, feeling that it deserved another chance. That was a mistake. Tracer's ass is an ass, and we won’t be working with it again.
/rant off
This is the image from their store figurine also I think there is a large statue almost like this one at their HQ.
![[image loading]](https://embed.gyazo.com/fb473e4e4fc6ff80b8759b9454b6fbd3.png)
Now last time I`ve checked this was a 16+ game, why would a mother let her 8 years play this game ? Maybe I`m out of touch but why do you think Blizzard / Jeff Kaplan reacted so strong about this pose and not to the Widow pose?
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IMO the entire thing is a mountain out of a molehill. But I will say I find it hilarious the mother is fine with letting her daughter watch Tracer shoot someone in the face for bonus damage but completely draws the line on Tracer showing her ass.
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That is clearly explained that it felt out of place for Tracer and they felt they could make a better pose for her that reflected her personality. Widow maker has nothing to do with it, since the digital booty is part of her vamp, femme fatale character design.
It is becoming increasingly clear that people are just providing their hot take on the subject without reading up on the discussion and Blizzards response. They see “the sexy pose was removed” and just to the reasons they think it took place.
On March 30 2016 23:42 Tenks wrote:
IMO the entire thing is a mountain out of a molehill. But I will say I find it hilarious the mother is fine with letting her daughter watch Tracer shoot someone in the face for bonus damage but completely draws the line on Tracer showing her ass.
The response was due to a request for feedback on character poses and other things. The feedback was “Sexy characters are cool. Tracer doesn’t seem like sexy is her main thing. I think there could be a better pose for her to show she is zippy and high adventure.” Blizzard agreed. No one had the moral outrage about digital lady parts and them being shown off to the world.
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If my company has a competent IT team I've probably been flagged for searching "movie poster women butts" and "tracer butt pose" during the course of this discussion.
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On March 30 2016 23:43 Plansix wrote:
The response was due to a request for feedback on character poses and other things. The feedback was “Sexy characters are cool. Tracer doesn’t seem like sexy is her main thing. I think there could be a better pose for her to show she is zippy and high adventure.” Blizzard agreed. No one had the moral outrage about digital lady parts and them being shown off to the world.
It's not fun, its not silly, it has nothing to do with being a fast elite killer. It just reduces tracer to another bland female sex symbol.
I have a young daughter that everyday when I wake up wants to watch the recall trailer again. She knows who tracer is, and as she grows up, she can grow up alongside these characters.
I mean ... I don't see how you can take that any other way than the parent is concerned that her daughter's idol, Tracer, is being objectified as a sex symbol because she is standing with her ass to the camera. But, again, seems fine showing her daughter gameplay of Tracer shooting people to death and pistol whipping them. Honestly most poses don't really show much character to the hero that is mostly the POTG intros.
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On March 30 2016 22:56 ZodaSoda wrote:
so what if some people see it sexually and other dont? what is wrong with america and SEX! its not scary it not going to ruin your children, it's not the boogey man, Why is the bitching about sexual shit in gaming getting worse and worse? If you dont like it dont look at it that way, if you do like it, like it. no amount of censorship is going to stop people sexualizing something, infact this whole debacle is just going to create more sexual fan art and prolly end up in hacked client nude skins and shit like that...
When can the hardcore gaming community finally admit the fact is will always be mainly male orientated, and males like small to large quantities of sexualization in their games, Is Widow going to be changed now? cause as far as i can tell her character is suppose to be sexual, but the person who created this whole drama was complaining about sexualization in general, so is none going to be allowed?
Here is Hot Take No. 79 from someone else who didn't actually read the original poster's argument. At least pay attention if you want to comment, she specifically calls out Widowmaker as being a sexualized character and that's fine. Her argument is that it doesn't fit for Tracer, and I kinda have to agree with that. I didn't really care if Blizzard left it in or they took it out, and they decided to take it out.
Yeah, the "hardcore" gaming community will probably always be male-oriented, but what about the non-hardcore gaming community? This isn't CS, it's Overwatch, and Blizzard has tried to appeal to a wider audience than *just* hardcore gamers since 2004.
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On March 30 2016 23:56 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 22:56 ZodaSoda wrote:
so what if some people see it sexually and other dont? what is wrong with america and SEX! its not scary it not going to ruin your children, it's not the boogey man, Why is the bitching about sexual shit in gaming getting worse and worse? If you dont like it dont look at it that way, if you do like it, like it. no amount of censorship is going to stop people sexualizing something, infact this whole debacle is just going to create more sexual fan art and prolly end up in hacked client nude skins and shit like that...
When can the hardcore gaming community finally admit the fact is will always be mainly male orientated, and males like small to large quantities of sexualization in their games, Is Widow going to be changed now? cause as far as i can tell her character is suppose to be sexual, but the person who created this whole drama was complaining about sexualization in general, so is none going to be allowed? Yeah, the "hardcore" gaming community will probably always be male-oriented, but what about the non-hardcore gaming community? This isn't CS, it's Overwatch, and Blizzard has tried to appeal to a wider audience than *just* hardcore gamers since 2004.
My wife loved the recall animated short but from watching me play Overwatch has less than 0 interest in playing it. I'm actually not sure who Blizzard is catering to here because their shorts and a ton of other stuff is trying to be casual inclusive but at the end of the day it is a MP-only game. Not too many casuals are going to buy into a (competitive) MP only game.
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On March 30 2016 23:50 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 23:43 Plansix wrote:
The response was due to a request for feedback on character poses and other things. The feedback was “Sexy characters are cool. Tracer doesn’t seem like sexy is her main thing. I think there could be a better pose for her to show she is zippy and high adventure.” Blizzard agreed. No one had the moral outrage about digital lady parts and them being shown off to the world. Show nested quote +It's not fun, its not silly, it has nothing to do with being a fast elite killer. It just reduces tracer to another bland female sex symbol. Show nested quote +I have a young daughter that everyday when I wake up wants to watch the recall trailer again. She knows who tracer is, and as she grows up, she can grow up alongside these characters. I mean ... I don't see how you can take that any other way than the parent is concerned that her daughter's idol, Tracer, is being objectified as a sex symbol because she is standing with her ass to the camera. But, again, seems fine showing her daughter gameplay of Tracer shooting people to death and pistol whipping them. Honestly most poses don't really show much character to the hero that is mostly the POTG intros.
I have to reach pretty far to see that as the moral outrage I am used to. The daughter line is a little over the top, but parents are concerned about who their children admire. This is nothing new. And female characters all having sexy poses is boring as fuck, reeking of 90s style pin up comics for every single female character.
On March 30 2016 23:58 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2016 23:56 ZasZ. wrote:On March 30 2016 22:56 ZodaSoda wrote:
so what if some people see it sexually and other dont? what is wrong with america and SEX! its not scary it not going to ruin your children, it's not the boogey man, Why is the bitching about sexual shit in gaming getting worse and worse? If you dont like it dont look at it that way, if you do like it, like it. no amount of censorship is going to stop people sexualizing something, infact this whole debacle is just going to create more sexual fan art and prolly end up in hacked client nude skins and shit like that...
When can the hardcore gaming community finally admit the fact is will always be mainly male orientated, and males like small to large quantities of sexualization in their games, Is Widow going to be changed now? cause as far as i can tell her character is suppose to be sexual, but the person who created this whole drama was complaining about sexualization in general, so is none going to be allowed? Yeah, the "hardcore" gaming community will probably always be male-oriented, but what about the non-hardcore gaming community? This isn't CS, it's Overwatch, and Blizzard has tried to appeal to a wider audience than *just* hardcore gamers since 2004. My wife loved the recall animated short but from watching me play Overwatch has less than 0 interest in playing it. I'm actually not sure who Blizzard is catering to here because their shorts and a ton of other stuff is trying to be casual inclusive but at the end of the day it is a MP-only game. Not too many casuals are going to buy into a (competitive) MP only game.
Gate keeping at its finest. Zero reason for Blizzard to cater to this attitude.
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